President Trump

morekaos said:
Irvinecommuter said:
morekaos said:
Please please please..any one of these will get thumped by the Hammer.

Who?s going to challenge Trump in 2020? Here are 17 super-early contenders

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/2020-presidential-election-democrats/

The Hammer...lol.  Dude can't even tolerate the rain. 

But he loves a fight!!

No...he likes insulting and attacking.  He runs away whenever someone actually fights back.  It is why he does not have any legislative successes outside of the tax cut (which GOP has been trying to pass for like 15 years).
 
fortune11 said:
You know one would think people learn from their mistakes , being wrong before , and from their experience. That is how we evolve and progress and survive competition

Evolution is driven by survival of the fittest...which is the exact opposite of the liberal orthodoxy.
 
Democrats (ie. wealthy suburban whites) have once again voted against their own financial interests.

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eyephone said:
See how he tries to deflect and duck the criticism. It is really amazing.

Try harder

Still waiting for your response to the GI bill that left veterans homeless.

Let it be clear. Morekas doesn?t care about the vets..
 
eyephone said:
eyephone said:
See how he tries to deflect and duck the criticism. It is really amazing.

Try harder

Still waiting for your response to the GI bill that left veterans homeless.

Let it be clear. Morekas doesn?t care about the vets..

And this is Trumps fault because?....its been an IT problem since 2009?

The Department of Veterans Affairs has acknowledged that the failure of a new IT system for processing claims for Post-9/11 GI Bill benefits has been holding up payments for months and causing financial hardship for thousands of veterans.

a repeat of the problems the VA faced after the passing of the Post 9/11 GI Bill. In 2009, some veterans waited as long as four months for payments, and the VA had to send specialists out to write emergency $3,000 checks to fill the gap. But it also comes at a time when nearly all of the VA's major software efforts are coming off the rails. A GAO report in January 2018 found that the VA had wasted more than $1.1 billion on failed electronic medical records projects. And a 2011 $543 million contract with HP Enterprise Services for a system to track the location of medical equipment, labeled as in danger of "catastrophic failure" in a 2017 VA inspector general report, is still not complete.
 
Happiness said:
fortune11 said:
You know one would think people learn from their mistakes , being wrong before , and from their experience. That is how we evolve and progress and survive competition

Evolution is driven by survival of the fittest...which is the exact opposite of the liberal orthodoxy.

You are contradicting yourself here , do you see the irony ?

I will let you ponder over this ... time out for me
 
morekaos said:
eyephone said:
eyephone said:
See how he tries to deflect and duck the criticism. It is really amazing.

Try harder

Still waiting for your response to the GI bill that left veterans homeless.

Let it be clear. Morekas doesn?t care about the vets..

And this is Trumps fault because?....its been an IT problem since 2009?

The Department of Veterans Affairs has acknowledged that the failure of a new IT system for processing claims for Post-9/11 GI Bill benefits has been holding up payments for months and causing financial hardship for thousands of veterans.

a repeat of the problems the VA faced after the passing of the Post 9/11 GI Bill. In 2009, some veterans waited as long as four months for payments, and the VA had to send specialists out to write emergency $3,000 checks to fill the gap. But it also comes at a time when nearly all of the VA's major software efforts are coming off the rails. A GAO report in January 2018 found that the VA had wasted more than $1.1 billion on failed electronic medical records projects. And a 2011 $543 million contract with HP Enterprise Services for a system to track the location of medical equipment, labeled as in danger of "catastrophic failure" in a 2017 VA inspector general report, is still not complete.

He hasn?t done nothing about it. But the caravan is high priority. While veterans can be left in the cold winter months evicted?
 
But its not his fault, he didn't cause it, just like he didn't set fires in Cali.  The problems at the VA span the last 5 Presidents.
 
morekaos said:
But its not his fault, he didn't cause it, just like he didn't set fires in Cali.  The problems at the VA span the last 5 Presidents.

I can't wait until these people are managing my healthcare someday:  "Sorry we have an IT issue, you're going to have to wait 4-5 months for that life-saving procedure.  But isn't it great that 100% of people have coverage?"
 
Liar Loan said:
morekaos said:
But its not his fault, he didn't cause it, just like he didn't set fires in Cali.  The problems at the VA span the last 5 Presidents.

I can't wait until these people are managing my healthcare someday:  "Sorry we have an IT issue, you're going to have to wait 4-5 months for that life-saving procedure.  But isn't it great that 100% of people have coverage?"

careful, you may not get that life-saving procedure if the socialized system everyone says is the answer deems you not worthy.
 
Kings said:
Liar Loan said:
morekaos said:
But its not his fault, he didn't cause it, just like he didn't set fires in Cali.  The problems at the VA span the last 5 Presidents.

I can't wait until these people are managing my healthcare someday:  "Sorry we have an IT issue, you're going to have to wait 4-5 months for that life-saving procedure.  But isn't it great that 100% of people have coverage?"

careful, you may not get that life-saving procedure if the socialized system everyone says is the answer deems you not worthy.

Yeah...no one gets life-saving procedures in Canada, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Australia, Taiwan, Sweden, Norway, Singapore, Iceland, Netherlands, Ireland, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Denmark, Austria, Italy, Belgium, or all those other countries with socialized healthcare.  They just die at first sign of injury or illness.
 
morekaos said:
But its not his fault, he didn't cause it, just like he didn't set fires in Cali.  The problems at the VA span the last 5 Presidents.

These are not handouts to the vets. They were promised to the vets known as GI Benefits.

Sorry he didn?t cause it is a lame excuse. All the money that was spent on sending troops to the border could of possibly help fix the problem or at least start the process to fix it.

The caravan was a hoax for political optics. Not an invasion like you previously described it. Millions and mill-lions of dollars were spent on sending the troops to the border.

I stand with the serving US troops and Vets.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
Kings said:
Liar Loan said:
morekaos said:
But its not his fault, he didn't cause it, just like he didn't set fires in Cali.  The problems at the VA span the last 5 Presidents.

I can't wait until these people are managing my healthcare someday:  "Sorry we have an IT issue, you're going to have to wait 4-5 months for that life-saving procedure.  But isn't it great that 100% of people have coverage?"

careful, you may not get that life-saving procedure if the socialized system everyone says is the answer deems you not worthy.

Yeah...no one gets life-saving procedures in Canada, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Australia, Taiwan, Sweden, Norway, Singapore, Iceland, Netherlands, Ireland, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Denmark, Austria, Italy, Belgium, or all those other countries with socialized healthcare.  They just die at first sign of injury or illness.

socialized systems have their flaws just like our system.  i never said everyone needing a life-saving procedure dies, but thanks for taking it to an extreme to try to prove your point.  remember charlie gard?  he wasn't worthy of the socialized system's care.
 
Kings said:
Irvinecommuter said:
Kings said:
Liar Loan said:
morekaos said:
But its not his fault, he didn't cause it, just like he didn't set fires in Cali.  The problems at the VA span the last 5 Presidents.

I can't wait until these people are managing my healthcare someday:  "Sorry we have an IT issue, you're going to have to wait 4-5 months for that life-saving procedure.  But isn't it great that 100% of people have coverage?"

careful, you may not get that life-saving procedure if the socialized system everyone says is the answer deems you not worthy.

Yeah...no one gets life-saving procedures in Canada, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Australia, Taiwan, Sweden, Norway, Singapore, Iceland, Netherlands, Ireland, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Denmark, Austria, Italy, Belgium, or all those other countries with socialized healthcare.  They just die at first sign of injury or illness.

socialized systems have their flaws just like our system.  i never said everyone needing a life-saving procedure dies, but thanks for taking it to an extreme to try to prove your point.  remember charlie gard?  he wasn't worthy of the socialized system's care.

Gard's illness had and still has no cures.  There was some potential experimental treatments but it was highly experimental.    Gard's doctors believed that the experimental treatment would cause him even more harm and prolong his suffering.  They went to court to block the parents from pursuing the treatment.

The Gard had nothing to do with socialized medicine but rather the rights of parents versus doctors/healthcare providers duty to intervene.

By the way, had Gard's doctors decided to go through with the treatment, it would have been paid for by NHS.  It would not have been paid for by private insurance companies in the US.

Every system has flaws, question is which one has fewer flaws and better outcomes for the population. 

 
Irvinecommuter said:
Kings said:
Irvinecommuter said:
Kings said:
Liar Loan said:
morekaos said:
But its not his fault, he didn't cause it, just like he didn't set fires in Cali.  The problems at the VA span the last 5 Presidents.

I can't wait until these people are managing my healthcare someday:  "Sorry we have an IT issue, you're going to have to wait 4-5 months for that life-saving procedure.  But isn't it great that 100% of people have coverage?"

careful, you may not get that life-saving procedure if the socialized system everyone says is the answer deems you not worthy.

Yeah...no one gets life-saving procedures in Canada, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Australia, Taiwan, Sweden, Norway, Singapore, Iceland, Netherlands, Ireland, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Denmark, Austria, Italy, Belgium, or all those other countries with socialized healthcare.  They just die at first sign of injury or illness.

socialized systems have their flaws just like our system.  i never said everyone needing a life-saving procedure dies, but thanks for taking it to an extreme to try to prove your point.  remember charlie gard?  he wasn't worthy of the socialized system's care.

Gard's illness had and still has no cures.  There was some potential experimental treatments but it was highly experimental.   

The Gard had nothing to do with socialized medicine but rather the rights of parents versus doctors/healthcare providers duty to intervene.

Every system has flaws, question is which one has fewer flaws and better outcomes for the population.

If you want the DMV to run your healthcare, then by all means keep touting socialism.
 
Liar Loan said:
If you want the DMV to run your healthcare, then by all means keep touting socialism.

Sure...all those people in Canada, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Australia, Taiwan, Sweden, Norway, Singapore, Iceland, Netherlands, Ireland, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Denmark, Austria, Italy, Belgium, or all those other countries with socialized healthcare are just stupid and die.

Oh I guess all those on Medicare really hate it...they are always asking for it to be repealed.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...are-vs-private-insurance-rhetoric-and-reality
 
Irvinecommuter said:
Liar Loan said:
If you want the DMV to run your healthcare, then by all means keep touting socialism.

Sure...all those people in Canada, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Australia, Taiwan, Sweden, Norway, Singapore, Iceland, Netherlands, Ireland, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Denmark, Austria, Italy, Belgium, or all those other countries with socialized healthcare are just stupid and die.

Long wait times, high rate of surgery cancellations, massive doctor shortages ~ But it sounds so wonderful and cheap!!

Wait! It also sounds like our VA system.  And yet these are the findings of recent audits of the Canadian and British healthcare systems.

Canada?s health-care wait times hit new record high, againhttps://www.macleans.ca/society/health/canadas-health-care-wait-times-hit-new-record-high-again/

Cancelled operations: a 7-day cohort study of planned adult inpatient surgery in 245 UK National Health Service hospitalshttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0007091218305658?via=ihub

NHS strain set to worsen without immigration planhttp://www.pharmatimes.com/web_exclusives/nhs_strain_set_to_worsen_without_immigration_plan_1252694
 
Liar Loan said:
Irvinecommuter said:
Liar Loan said:
If you want the DMV to run your healthcare, then by all means keep touting socialism.

Sure...all those people in Canada, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Australia, Taiwan, Sweden, Norway, Singapore, Iceland, Netherlands, Ireland, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Denmark, Austria, Italy, Belgium, or all those other countries with socialized healthcare are just stupid and die.

Long wait times, high rate of surgery cancellations, massive doctor shortages ~ But it sounds so wonderful and cheap!!

Wait! It also sounds like our VA system.  And yet these are the findings of recent audits of the Canadian and British healthcare systems.

Yeah..works great in the US!

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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...t-mean-waiting-longer-to-see-a-doctor/281614/
 
Irvinecommuter said:
Liar Loan said:
Irvinecommuter said:
Liar Loan said:
If you want the DMV to run your healthcare, then by all means keep touting socialism.

Sure...all those people in Canada, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Australia, Taiwan, Sweden, Norway, Singapore, Iceland, Netherlands, Ireland, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Denmark, Austria, Italy, Belgium, or all those other countries with socialized healthcare are just stupid and die.

Long wait times, high rate of surgery cancellations, massive doctor shortages ~ But it sounds so wonderful and cheap!!

Wait! It also sounds like our VA system.  And yet these are the findings of recent audits of the Canadian and British healthcare systems.

Yeah..works great in the US!

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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...t-mean-waiting-longer-to-see-a-doctor/281614/

great, now control for how many old people and how many obese people the US has compared to those other countries
 
I like what I see so far from the Australian system. 

UK and Canada aren't that great.  We have uncles in Canada that have been waiting for years for care.  Same in the UK.  This is care they would get in the US immediately.  Also have had close relatives die waiting for care in the UK.  It's not all green on the other side.  I still do support universal health care, but lets not kid ourselves.  If you are insured in the US, you might be better off (other than the ridiculous premium price).

Bringing up our current medicare doesn't quite count because it's currently part of a very hybrid system.
 
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