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And you accuse me of using AI to replace my thinking.

I challenged your notion of what causes high Cali gas prices with data and facts (some dependent on politics but not all) and your brain can't handle it so you just go back to default mode of ignoring reality.

morekaos said:
If a republican governor wins in November I guarantee they would open up fracking and encourage reopening and building of additional refineries which would further reduce gas prices…it could all (in a rational world) happen in less than a year
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Less than a year is logistically impossible but I'll let AI tell this to you again (and like I have said, oil prices and policy do not make the entirety of what is going on):

  • Oil prices matter most: California gas prices do move with global oil prices, so your friend is right that falling oil would help.
  • Taxes/regulations do add cost: Reducing them would likely lower prices somewhat, though not eliminate the gap with other states.
  • But supply changes aren’t fast: Opening new fracking or building/refining capacity typically takes years, not months, due to financing, construction, and permitting—regardless of which party is in power.
  • Geography and infrastructure still matter: Even with policy changes, California would still face higher costs because it’s relatively isolated from major U.S. fuel supply networks.

Bottom line: Policy absolutely affects prices, but it’s one piece of a bigger system—and some of the biggest constraints (like infrastructure and timelines) don’t change quickly with a new governor.
 
(like infrastructure and timelines) don’t change quickly with a new governor.

Like “borders can’t be closed in just months…that’s magical thinking”…well, we’re never gonna know on cali oil because I flat out told you it wasn’t going to happen, I even told you why😂😂😂👎🏽🦄🌈
 
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irvinehomeowner said:
Is Newsome the Boogie Man?

This is like Hawaii blaming politics because imported goods are expensive so they should have built an under ocean tunnel.
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yes, he is. When he should’ve been building energy infrastructure, (with transportation tax dollars) he was wasting money building bridges to nowhere for bears and butterflies. As if Hawaii had built that under ocean tunnel, but our moron actually did it.😡😡😡👎🏽🦄🌈

Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing, the world's largest wildlife crossing, was announced by Newsom in 2022.

The overpass is currently being built over the 10-lane highway, US 101, and is designed to keep humans and animals safer.
The governor pledged more than $50 million toward the bridge, which is being built to be used by any animal from a butterfly to a bear.
Four years later, Newsom's office has found another $18.8 million through the California Transportation Commission for the project, it was announced in February.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Could have fooled me.

Maybe you’ll understand this:

Mountain big, pipe long, cost high, gas no cheap.
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try this ….stop oil drilling,, close refinery, don’t build pipelines, tax and over regulate oil industry out of state…create nonsensical exclusive summer/winter blend….gas not cheap…this is fun😂😂😂👎🏽🦄🌈
 
Maybe I can have a real conversation finally:
OCtoSV said:
CA energy costs will continue to inflate just like Bay Area real estate due to engineered shortages, intentional or not. Builders Remedy projects are being crammed down City Councils up there (https://localnewsmatters.org/2025/1...ned-against-fighting-builders-remedy-project/) so hopefully Trump can force CA to restart offshore drilling as that is our nearest term opportunity to increase molecular availability of refined petroleum.
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The issue is, even with an increase in supply via offshore drilling (which I am neutral on), that doesn't solve the refinement hurdle. Building refineries is expensive in Cali (land costs, business taxes/fees etc) and while policy can help with some of the costs... construction/labor/equipment costs are what they are and corps need to be profitable. If the numbers don't work, they won't build refineries, and if they do, I'm pretty sure the cost of refined petroleum will be higher than other stats because of the base costs.

This is just like why homes cost more in Cali... that's not political, that's based on demand and supply.

As a parallel, electricity costs in Cali are almost double many states. And it's not because of reliance on fossil fuel (Cali is running over 50% on clean energy which is more than most states). It's similar to oil where infrastructure costs are high and then you throw in grid upgrades due to increased use, wildfire insurance etc etc.

There are just some things that policy isn't the only reason.
 
If your premise is policy is not the root cause and Refining is the bottleneck, then you won’t like the simple policy answer that would turn things around quickly (within a year). Drop all the taxation and overregulation and divert some of that $140,000,000.00 Newsome committed to a Bridge for Butterflies and incentivize the Oil industry to re-open the existing refineries that have been shuttered or converted over the last 5 years. All the infrastructure is still there…just the will to do it and change in policy…refining capacity would increase quickly while new refineries could be built…Problem solved..😂😂😂👎🏽🦄🌈


As oil industry in California wanes, what will become of shuttered refineries?

The Phillips 66 Los Angeles Refinery could be a test case for how the state and local governments should handle refinery closures, experts say

The once-dominant industry, which in California dates back more than 150 years ago, has long been on the decline. Oil fields once carpeted the landscape, from Brea to Signal Hill, but have since been whittled down or, in some cases, erased entirely — replaced by parks or houses.

Despite being third in refining capacity, the state was seventh in crude oil production in 2024, the most-recent year with available data, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, behind traditional powerhouses Texas, North Dakota and Alaska, but also New Mexico and Wyoming.

Advocates for the oil industry have long blamed California’s rigid environmental regulations for the decline. And Gov. Gavin Newsom has made further reforms a particular target of his administration.

But the most ominous — or, depending on your perspective, auspicious — sign that the state’s oil industry will likely continue waning came on Oct. 16, 2024:

The closure has further threatened an industry car-centric California has relied upon for generations. That’s because it’s not the first closure in recent years and it won’t be the last. The Marathon Martinez refinery in Contra Costa, in fact, is now idling and the Valero facility in Benicia is also anticipated to shutter. Combined with the Phillips 66 refinery, which produced about 139,000 barrels of crude oil and 85,000 barrels of gasoline per day, California is set to lose nearly 20% of its refining capacity.

And overall, state and Los Angeles County data shows, California has seen the number of active refineries decrease by 60% in the last 34 years: from 25 in 1992 to 10 currently.

Experts, state officials and regulators, and industry lobbyists say the effects of the refinery closures will be myriad: Less fuel supply for the state. Thousands of jobs gone. A major tax base diminished.

As oil industry in California wanes, what will become of shuttered refineries? – The Mercury News
 
morekaos said:
f your premise is policy is not the root cause and Refining is the bottleneck, then you won’t like the simple policy answer that would turn things around quickly (within a year).
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You didn’t read what I said so I won’t read yours.

When you're ready to have a real conversation I'll respond.
 
Transporting water and oil are the not same.

Fluidity, flammability, viscosity are just off the top of my head.

Also think about the security and safety.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Transporting water and oil are the not same.

Fluidity, flammability, viscosity are just off the top of my head.

Also think about the security and safety.
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Yep, I realize they are different, but California has extensive experience in building pipelines.

As for the cost of "billions".... Hmm.... Don't we already waste that kind of money on stupid projects? The slow-speed rail anybody?

Also, the lefties are always saying we need infrastructure projects. Seems like a win-win.
 
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