New vs. Old... Huntington vs. Irvine

Children of Vietnamese immigrant families started life in Little Saigon Westminster. Deeply rooted socially around the surrounding vicinity is expected. As families accumulated more wealth the need to upgrade lifestyle and habitat are signs to measured one's success in the immigrant community. Over the years children growing up are accustomed to the food culture and bargain only to be found in Little Saigon. The need to have access to the restaurant and food retail is paramount for this growing demographic. Many now are now adults with professional jobs and the first generation to receive a college education. The parents and other relatives may continue to benefit from government financial assistance even the children are now successful.



The tale of two cultures. the children are torn between the American and immigrant life. Home location in their purchase is pertinent in proximity to relative and Vietnamese friends and culture. Garden Grove is where most of the immigrant parents purchased homes while Fountain Valley and Huntington Beach are the destination for the children's generation. Cafe, Pho and pop music are important in their culture and so are some of the festivities such as Chinese new Year. Most of the variety shows and music are not produced in the communist Vietnam but rather are produced in America and distributed world wide by CDs and DVD format. Musical concerts and Variety show tour are global. The cast traveled to places with Vietnamese population like France and Singapore. Large Hotel Casino in San Diego and Vegas often accommodate the events. The shows are performed in Vietnamese but many of the cast members are American born Vietnamese. The important of bilingual is also strongly rooted in the young generation because this is the only method of communication between the elder and young generation.



HS Teacher I believe fit into this young generation profile. Fountain Valley is the best fit to balance the best of both cultures.
 
Wow BK... Wow. Very interesting. Most of my family lives in Garden Grove or Westminster. Half of my friends live in Huntington while the other half lives in Irvine. My Irvine friends like the newness of their home and the proximity to work. My Huntington friends like the laid-back beach environment and the weather. I want to be close to GG,WTM,HB&IR;. Currently live in Tustin and it does not satisfy that requirement... so I wouldn't like to stay in Tustin. Fountain Valley is in the right location for me but it has older homes. What to do?



By the way, I think Main Street Huntington is my favorite place in the county to hang out, eat, and go to the bars. I also think that some of the hottest people in the county hangs out there.

I really enjoy the breeze while having lunch. Farmers' Market on Tuesdays is a good time to go for a stroll. And hanging out at the local bars on Fridays and Saturdays is very chill.

Going swimming or bodyboarding during the summer is as good as it gets.



Santa Ana - nope. Downtown is busy, but it's too urban.

Anaheim -nope. The Disneyland area is good, but I also like a place I can hang out during the daytime.

Irvine - nope. Spectrum is dead during the day and uneventful at night.

Garden Grove - nope. Just simply nope.



So I prefer a place that is close to Little Saigon, not too far from Irvine, and provides easy access to Main Street Huntington.
 
i agree with everything bk said so far....although i am not vientamese, i love eating the food around little saigon area. SO that's my thought also about moving away from FV, there are no beaches, no cheap eats, but on the other hand you get great communities, and award winning schools. I think its clear which one is the winner....at least to me since i am going to be starting a family soon. I considered Tustin also. What is there not to like about tustin? i like the tustin market place area.
 
[quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213780536]Wow BK... Wow. Very interesting. Most of my family lives in Garden Grove or Westminster. Half of my friends live in Huntington while the other half lives in Irvine. My Irvine friends like the newness of their home and the proximity to work. My Huntington friends like the laid-back beach environment and the weather. I want to be close to GG,WTM,HB&IR;. Currently live in Tustin and it does not satisfy that requirement... so I wouldn't like to stay in Tustin. Fountain Valley is in the right location for me but it has older homes. What to do?



By the way, I think Main Street Huntington is my favorite place in the county to hang out, eat, and go to the bars. I also think that some of the hottest people in the county hangs out there.

I really enjoy the breeze while having lunch. Farmers' Market on Tuesdays is a good time to go for a stroll. And hanging out at the local bars on Fridays and Saturdays is very chill.

Going swimming or bodyboarding during the summer is as good as it gets.



Santa Ana - nope. Downtown is busy, but it's too urban.

Anaheim -nope. The Disneyland area is good, but I also like a place I can hang out during the daytime.

Irvine - nope. Spectrum is dead during the day and uneventful at night.

Garden Grove - nope. Just simply nope.



So I prefer a place that is close to Little Saigon, not too far from Irvine, and provides easy access to Main Street Huntington.</blockquote>


I formulated the mixed use project directly across the street from Starbuck. Townhomes sit on the podium retail below. Circular towers at the corners on Main St. Plaza Almeria is the project.
 
[quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213780536]Wow BK... Wow. Very interesting. Most of my family lives in Garden Grove or Westminster. Half of my friends live in Huntington while the other half lives in Irvine. My Irvine friends like the newness of their home and the proximity to work. My Huntington friends like the laid-back beach environment and the weather. I want to be close to GG,WTM,HB&IR;. Currently live in Tustin and it does not satisfy that requirement... so I wouldn't like to stay in Tustin. Fountain Valley is in the right location for me but it has older homes. What to do?



By the way, I think Main Street Huntington is my favorite place in the county to hang out, eat, and go to the bars. I also think that some of the hottest people in the county hangs out there.

I really enjoy the breeze while having lunch. Farmers' Market on Tuesdays is a good time to go for a stroll. And hanging out at the local bars on Fridays and Saturdays is very chill.

Going swimming or bodyboarding during the summer is as good as it gets.



Santa Ana - nope. Downtown is busy, but it's too urban.

Anaheim -nope. The Disneyland area is good, but I also like a place I can hang out during the daytime.

Irvine - nope. Spectrum is dead during the day and uneventful at night.

Garden Grove - nope. Just simply nope.



So I prefer a place that is close to Little Saigon, not too far from Irvine, and provides easy access to Main Street Huntington.</blockquote>


I am in the same predicament. I like to live in FV/HB but most homes are too old. Irvine have more newer homes but there's not much happening here. And I as get older, I really don't want to drive to Little Saigon on the weekends. Decisions, decisions.



And this have been discussed before. I sure love those darn older homes in Floral Park. The neighborhood even though it's older than other neighborhoods in OC; it is so cozy and well kept. But the stigma of you know what.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1213785084][quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213780536]Wow BK... Wow. Very interesting. Most of my family lives in Garden Grove or Westminster. Half of my friends live in Huntington while the other half lives in Irvine. My Irvine friends like the newness of their home and the proximity to work. My Huntington friends like the laid-back beach environment and the weather. I want to be close to GG,WTM,HB&IR;. Currently live in Tustin and it does not satisfy that requirement... so I wouldn't like to stay in Tustin. Fountain Valley is in the right location for me but it has older homes. What to do?



By the way, I think Main Street Huntington is my favorite place in the county to hang out, eat, and go to the bars. I also think that some of the hottest people in the county hangs out there.

I really enjoy the breeze while having lunch. Farmers' Market on Tuesdays is a good time to go for a stroll. And hanging out at the local bars on Fridays and Saturdays is very chill.

Going swimming or bodyboarding during the summer is as good as it gets.



Santa Ana - nope. Downtown is busy, but it's too urban.

Anaheim -nope. The Disneyland area is good, but I also like a place I can hang out during the daytime.

Irvine - nope. Spectrum is dead during the day and uneventful at night.

Garden Grove - nope. Just simply nope.



So I prefer a place that is close to Little Saigon, not too far from Irvine, and provides easy access to Main Street Huntington.</blockquote>


I formulated the mixed use project directly across the street from Starbuck. Townhomes sit on the podium retail below. Circular towers at the corners on Main St. Plaza Almeria is the project.</blockquote>


that project was backed by Taiwanese investors, right?
 
bk,



Have you heard of the Renaissance project in downtown Santa Ana? How is that coming along? Will we finally get some mainstream retail stores?
 
[quote author="hardwareguy" date=1213793911][quote author="bkshopr" date=1213785084][quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213780536]Wow BK... Wow. Very interesting. Most of my family lives in Garden Grove or Westminster. Half of my friends live in Huntington while the other half lives in Irvine. My Irvine friends like the newness of their home and the proximity to work. My Huntington friends like the laid-back beach environment and the weather. I want to be close to GG,WTM,HB&IR;. Currently live in Tustin and it does not satisfy that requirement... so I wouldn't like to stay in Tustin. Fountain Valley is in the right location for me but it has older homes. What to do?



By the way, I think Main Street Huntington is my favorite place in the county to hang out, eat, and go to the bars. I also think that some of the hottest people in the county hangs out there.

I really enjoy the breeze while having lunch. Farmers' Market on Tuesdays is a good time to go for a stroll. And hanging out at the local bars on Fridays and Saturdays is very chill.

Going swimming or bodyboarding during the summer is as good as it gets.



Santa Ana - nope. Downtown is busy, but it's too urban.

Anaheim -nope. The Disneyland area is good, but I also like a place I can hang out during the daytime.

Irvine - nope. Spectrum is dead during the day and uneventful at night.

Garden Grove - nope. Just simply nope.



So I prefer a place that is close to Little Saigon, not too far from Irvine, and provides easy access to Main Street Huntington.</blockquote>


I formulated the mixed use project directly across the street from Starbuck. Townhomes sit on the podium retail below. Circular towers at the corners on Main St. Plaza Almeria is the project.</blockquote>


that project was backed by Taiwanese investors, right?</blockquote>


JT Development was helmed by a team of Caucasians. I was not awared of the financier behind the deal.
 
[quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213747374]Graphrix, I'm beginning to think that you're purposely being antagonistic just to get responses from me. I think you need to chill out a little. I would argue your points, but I'll just let the others digest them by themselves. Unlike you, I like Huntington, Fountain Valley, and Irvine. From my interactions with many others, I find that the ones who don't like other people or places tend to not have many people like them. If you project negativity, you'll receive it as well.</blockquote>


Once again your opinion is just that, opinion. I have plenty of friends, a lot of thank yous here, and it shows that people like me. Again, your opinion doesn't make it a fact. And, don't tell me to chill out, I am not your student, and I am not the one who needs to learn here.



<blockquote>Ok, I can't help it. I must argue one point. Fountain Valley High has been a strong performing school for over a decade now. Why oh why would it suddenly go downhill? Why? Would the kids suddenly become dumber? Fountain Valley is known for the fact that residents who live there tend to stay there for a very long time. That's why the city does not get that much property tax increases. <strong>Investors/flippers have never been interested in Fountain Valley. It's an old and stable middle income city that is centrally located and close to the 405 for easy access to the north or the south. Plus it's pretty close to the beach. All it needs now is some new homes.</strong></blockquote>


Those last few sentences show how clueless you are. Sorry, but you need to get out of the classroom and see reality. Once again, your opinion does not make it a fact. Do you have proof that city doesn't increase the property taxes? Do you have proof of turnover rates of homes there? By you saying investors/flippers have never been interested in FV is so absurd, it makes me just want to ignore you, because you are not on planet earth. FV has 1 in 659 of the total housing units in FV scheduled for the auction or gone through the auction in the last 30 days, and Irvine (a newer community with proven evidence of specuflippers on the blog) has 1 in 989 of the total housing units scheduled for the auction or gone through foreclosure in the last thirty days.



Back up your opinions with some actual facts, and maybe I won't antagonize you so much.
 
hs teacher has always seemed pretty civil and friendly here and graphix has always been very factual and informational. I enjoy reading this board to learn more about the OC and enjoy reading posters with different views and perspectives and experience levels and hope this bit of antagonism (it does seem like that) dies down.
 
ok yeah, fumbling's right. i've been more antagonistic on the old-v-new and tustin legacy discussions. i would be lying if i said the "heated" back and forth hasn't been enjoyable. but at the end of the day this is just a discussion about dirt, wood, and stucco, and whether my opinions are right or wrong really doesn't amount to a hill of beans.



sorry yal, esp to hs_t.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1213839113][quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213747374]Graphrix, I'm beginning to think that you're purposely being antagonistic just to get responses from me. I think you need to chill out a little. I would argue your points, but I'll just let the others digest them by themselves. Unlike you, I like Huntington, Fountain Valley, and Irvine. From my interactions with many others, I find that the ones who don't like other people or places tend to not have many people like them. If you project negativity, you'll receive it as well.</blockquote>


Once again your opinion is just that, opinion. I have plenty of friends, a lot of thank yous here, and it shows that people like me. Again, your opinion doesn't make it a fact. And, don't tell me to chill out, I am not your student, and I am not the one who needs to learn here.



<blockquote>Ok, I can't help it. I must argue one point. Fountain Valley High has been a strong performing school for over a decade now. Why oh why would it suddenly go downhill? Why? Would the kids suddenly become dumber? Fountain Valley is known for the fact that residents who live there tend to stay there for a very long time. That's why the city does not get that much property tax increases. <strong>Investors/flippers have never been interested in Fountain Valley. It's an old and stable middle income city that is centrally located and close to the 405 for easy access to the north or the south. Plus it's pretty close to the beach. All it needs now is some new homes.</strong></blockquote>


Those last few sentences show how clueless you are. Sorry, but you need to get out of the classroom and see reality. Once again, your opinion does not make it a fact. Do you have proof that city doesn't increase the property taxes? Do you have proof of turnover rates of homes there? By you saying investors/flippers have never been interested in FV is so absurd, it makes me just want to ignore you, because you are not on planet earth. FV has 1 in 659 of the total housing units in FV scheduled for the auction or gone through the auction in the last 30 days, and Irvine (a newer community with proven evidence of specuflippers on the blog) has 1 in 989 of the total housing units scheduled for the auction or gone through foreclosure in the last thirty days.



Back up your opinions with some actual facts, and maybe I won't antagonize you so much.</blockquote>


ZING!!!! I have noticed in HS_Teacher's posting how she likes to "See what she wants to see". The bold part points this problem out. FV has flippers/investors of the sorts...how do I know...my parents still live there across from the park and I've gotten into plenty of entertaining conversations w/my father over what sold when and how much and we laugh.



So for you to actually FV wasn't part of this run up is DENIAL!
 
I read an article in the Orange County Register stating how the residents of Fountain Valley are older and tend to live there longer and thus tend to keep property taxes low.

I have a friend who graduated from Fountain Valley High School and is currently working there. He says that his neighborhood is getting older because all the kids have grown up and moved away... so there are a lot of older residents. Thus, I have an objective source and a subjective one telling me the same story.
 
[quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213841000]I read an article in the Orange County Register stating how the residents of Fountain Valley are older and tend to live there longer and thus tend to keep property taxes low.

I have a friend who graduated from Fountain Valley High School and is currently working there. He says that his neighborhood is getting older because all the kids have grown up and moved away... so there are a lot of older residents. Thus, I have an objective source and a subjective one telling me the same story.</blockquote>


FV H.S. isn't that "GREAT" anymore...sorry to say. Older schmoder....FV is still effected. One story, a house near my parents sold for about $820k in 2005....guess what a few homes in the same neighborhood are on the market for $650-700k. NO BUBBLE? LOL
 
Never said FV wasn't part of the bubble. The WHOLE COUNTY is part of the bubble. I didn't even say Fountain Valley High was "GREAT". It's just a solid school. Fountain Valley is a nice, stable, middle income city with good schools. LOL all you want Optimus, but you're just laughing at yourself. Unless you can quote what I say, I think you're a little foolish there.



This is my ranking for a city's socio-economic class.



1. Newport

2. Irvine

3. Huntington

4. Fountain Valley

5. Westminster

6. Garden Grove

7. Santa Ana



Point is, I think Fountain Valley is just your typical, average, decent OC city. It doesn't have the wealth of Newport, the new homes of Irvine, or the coastal living of Huntington.

But it also doesn't have the poverty of Santa Ana, the oldness of Garden Grove, and the congestion of Westminster.
 
[quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213843374]Never said FV wasn't part of the bubble. The WHOLE COUNTY is part of the bubble. I didn't even say Fountain Valley High was "GREAT". It's just a solid school. Fountain Valley is a nice, stable, middle income city with good schools. LOL all you want Optimus, but you're just laughing at yourself. Unless you can quote what I say, I think you're a little foolish there.



This is my ranking for a city's socio-economic class.



1. Newport

2. Irvine

3. Huntington

4. Fountain Valley

5. Westminster

6. Garden Grove

7. Santa Ana



Point is, I think Fountain Valley is just your typical, average, decent OC city. It doesn't have the wealth of Newport, the new homes of Irvine, or the coastal living of Huntington.

But it also doesn't have the poverty of Santa Ana, the oldness of Garden Grove, and the congestion of Westminster.</blockquote>


Hmmm...so if you could buy homes in the same price range of $600-700kk, you'd pick FV over Irvine?



When I want that bowl of Pho or Bun I'll head to Pho Bac off Barranca HAHAHA



Great you stay in FV w/the old folks.
 
[quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213841000]I read an article in the Orange County Register stating how the residents of Fountain Valley are older and tend to live there longer and thus tend to keep property taxes low.

I have a friend who graduated from Fountain Valley High School and is currently working there. He says that his neighborhood is getting older because all the kids have grown up and moved away... so there are a lot of older residents. Thus, I have an objective source and a subjective one telling me the same story.</blockquote>


The older demographic in FV stayed because of limited wealth. FV was a place of lower middle class during its infancy when tracts replaced Japanese owned nurseries. The homes were priced lower than most of the competition. These families accumulated their retirement by frugality and savings. They were not the sophisticated entrepreneur who used money to make more money. They kept their saving in the banks. Many held blue collar jobs but gave the best to their family. Yes, they could sell their home and make some good money but they do not want to start paying for a mortgage again and high property tax when their home is already paid for and property tax is less than their food bill. They have enough to retire frugally but living the style of Joneses is not what they wanted. This is the group who dedicated their entire garage for Christmas decoration and once a year they get a kick out decking out the neighborhood for visitors. The is a form of neighborhood pride and comradery that few neighbors want to move and miss.
 
[quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213841000]I read an article in the Orange County Register stating how the residents of Fountain Valley are older and tend to live there longer and thus tend to keep property taxes low.

I have a friend who graduated from Fountain Valley High School and is currently working there. He says that his neighborhood is getting older because all the kids have grown up and moved away... so there are a lot of older residents. Thus, I have an objective source and a subjective one telling me the same story.</blockquote>


Do you have a link to said article? I could say the same thing about Villa Park, is it true? No, that is just anecdotal evidence, not fact.



Yes... I am pushing buttons, I am making people think, if it takes me being an a-hole to make people think, then so be it. I will be nice, when I see facts and data, not just opinions or sister's cousin's ex-boyfriend's third cousin's coworker's opinion.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1213843861][quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213841000]I read an article in the Orange County Register stating how the residents of Fountain Valley are older and tend to live there longer and thus tend to keep property taxes low.

I have a friend who graduated from Fountain Valley High School and is currently working there. He says that his neighborhood is getting older because all the kids have grown up and moved away... so there are a lot of older residents. Thus, I have an objective source and a subjective one telling me the same story.</blockquote>


The older demographic in FV stayed because of limited wealth. FV was a place of lower middle class during its infancy when tracts replaced Japanese owned nurseries. The homes were priced lower than most of the competition. These families accumulated their retirement by frugality and savings. They were not the sophisticated entrepreneur who used money to make more money. They kept their saving in the banks. Many held blue collar jobs but gave the best to their family. Yes, they could sell their home and make some good money but they do not want to start paying for a mortgage again and high property tax when their home is already paid for and property tax is less than their food bill. They have enough to retire frugally but living the style of Joneses is not what they wanted. This is the group who dedicated their entire garage for Christmas decoration and once a year they get a kick out decking out the neighborhood for visitors. The is a form of neighborhood pride and comradery that few neighbors want to move and miss.</blockquote>


Damn you are good BK. I would say tho the X-mas decorations have been on the decline the past 10 yrs tho :(
 
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