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[bkshopr_IHB]

Found something in Tustin Ranch with a 3 garage and the BK aesthetic. Since it's kind of pricey BK and IHO will have to pull their resources and become roomies.

Listing here

No thanks,

I have mine already and may be IHO needs to change his handle to IGO.

 

[irvine_home_owner_IHB]

Garage at the back yields a much higher resale value than frontal garage houses with similar size. Both Tustin Ranch Estates, Cambria, Wyndover Bay and Mahogany are some examples.

I looked at the Mahogany floor plans and they're okay. I'm not too fond of the laundry room being on the main floor.

Are there any other homes with the BK-style garage (preferably 3-car) in Irvine (entrance from the front... not alley)?

 

[bkshopr_IHB]

Garage at the back yields a much higher resale value than frontal garage houses with similar size. Both Tustin Ranch Estates, Cambria, Wyndover Bay and Mahogany are some examples.

I looked at the Mahogany floor plans and they're okay. I'm not too fond of the laundry room being on the main floor.

Are there any other homes with the BK-style garage (preferably 3-car) in Irvine (entrance from the front... not alley)?

Turtle Ridge Botanica, Northwood Rosegate and Northpark Cambria all have a 3 car front access rear garage.

Wyndover Bay I think is in NB.

 

[Geotpf_IHB]

I think these houses qualify

Compton/1716-N-Graham-Ave-90222

Compton/1206-S-Grandee-Ave-90220

Compton/3637-E-Josephine-Ct-90221

I wrote this just to make sure the bad elevations are covered : "Other important components I am leaving out are varieties of styles, massing, and texture that most production home neighborhoods severely lack so I don’t bother to elaborate." The Compton styles has zero merit in elevation achievement.

They were from one of my hated periods WWII. Good construction materials were dedicated for war manufacturing while the scraps were used to build junks like these homes. It was obvious that the no redeeming value of the elevations drove the pride of home ownership away long ago.

But they aren't from World War II. The first two were built in 1948, after any war time restrictions had ended (the attached garage in the first house is a clue-attached garages were extremely rare until after World War II), and the third was built in 1939, long before America joined the war. Whatever their faults, World War II was not the cause of them.

In fact, I believe ABC123's point was that these houses qualify under your rules, but nobody here wants to live in freaking Compton, so he thinks your rules suck.

 

[High Gravity_IHB]

I think these houses qualify

Compton/1716-N-Graham-Ave-90222

Compton/1206-S-Grandee-Ave-90220

Compton/3637-E-Josephine-Ct-90221

At $225/sq ft, Compton homes are hardly cheap even by Orange County standards. Compton homes appear to cost more than the IHB consensus on the price of new construction at Orchard Hills and Laguna Crossing.

 

[bkshopr_IHB]

I think these houses qualify

Compton/1716-N-Graham-Ave-90222

Compton/1206-S-Grandee-Ave-90220

Compton/3637-E-Josephine-Ct-90221

I wrote this just to make sure the bad elevations are covered : "Other important components I am leaving out are varieties of styles, massing, and texture that most production home neighborhoods severely lack so I don’t bother to elaborate." The Compton styles has zero merit in elevation achievement.

They were from one of my hated periods WWII. Good construction materials were dedicated for war manufacturing while the scraps were used to build junks like these homes. It was obvious that the no redeeming value of the elevations drove the pride of home ownership away long ago.

But they aren't from World War II. The first two were built in 1948, after any war time restrictions had ended (the attached garage in the first house is a clue-attached garages were extremely rare until after World War II), and the third was built in 1939, long before America joined the war. Whatever their faults, World War II was not the cause of them.

In fact, I believe ABC123's point was that these houses qualify under your rules, but nobody here wants to live in freaking Compton, so he thinks your rules suck.

First, I did not say Compton is where you should buy. Second, I did not say my rules are the only element that define classic communities. My studies of the classic communities have these common traits but require more in architecture in completing the package.

My bulk and setback rule are just 50% that makes classic communities the other 50% rely on good aesthetic architecture, varieties, massing, texture, and restraint. When I talk about WII era architecture it does not mean Dec.12, 1942 7pm -april 18th 1945 8am. It is the era when America planning for the war as well preparation of war related goods. The era included GI leaving and coming home. Home builders frantically building towns and cities to delivering homes for all the GIs returning home and baby boomer generation.

Good houses often undergone remodel by previous home owners. One example is Chinese living in fine craftsman houses in Alhambra decided to stucco over all the post and beam details. Double hung wood windows were replaced by white vinyl windows. The houses are ruined but still fit my bulk and setback rules. You might come along and post a photo of them too.

Another example is Riverside 909. Great houses but most of them were ruined by 1940's. The few untouched homes could not hold the by gone era neighborhood together.

You just joined my course late and missed all of my previous classes. Go back to my old threads and learn a few things to improve your housing IQ.

 

[ABC123_IHB]

Even though I have 1/1,000,000th of BKs knowledge, I am certain that this house fails:

Wildomar, CA

I don't understand how a 13,000sqft lot can have a view like that.

 

[irvine_home_owner_IHB]

I don't understand how a 13,000sqft lot can have a view like that.

Is that me using the bathroom in that other house?

If so... that view is AWESOME!

 

[bkshopr_IHB]

Even though I have 1/1,000,000th of BKs knowledge, I am certain that this house fails:

Wildomar, CA

I don't understand how a 13,000sqft lot can have a view like that.

Bad planning can turn a 0.3 acre into $100/sf disaster.

Good Planning in Irvine can turn a 100sf lot into a $ 0.3 million profit.

 

[usctrojanman29_IHB]

Even though I have 1/1,000,000th of BKs knowledge, I am certain that this house fails:

Wildomar, CA

I don't understand how a 13,000sqft lot can have a view like that.

Even at $100/sf this thing is far from being a bargain. The track of homes are out all by themselves and it needs at least another $100k+ for finishes and the backyard. But the worst of it is that you don't even get a 3-car garage for such a large home. What a let down.

 

[icey_IHB]

Those criterias ruled out most, if not all, of Irvine.

And yet Irvine grade F homes still cost 10x more than grade A homes in Oklahoma. The first rule in real estate still trumps all.

A relative of mine just bought a fixer (needs about 50k in upgrades) 1960s 1,700 sq ft ranch in Cupertino for 1.2 mil and they think they got a great deal. Chinese in Nor Cal love Cupertino as much as Chinese in So Cal love Irvine.

Cupertino ranks #5 on Forbes list.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/04/towns-cities-real-estate-lifestyle-real-estate-top-towns.html

Wow! Ironically, the picture they used for Aliso is of the Vantis complex, which is mostly empty and still way overpriced at 400K for a condo.

bk has noticed astutely though that there are a tremendous amount of startups in Aliso, they seem to be everywhere, and the city is well planned from a perspective that gives it potential to blow up.

 

[ABC123_IHB]

I think builders should build more homes like this:

8693 ROLLING HILLS Dr CORONA, CA 92883

or even this

 

[IrvineRenter_IHB]

They have a great basketball court in front.

Notice the feeble attempt to minimize the driveway with the triangle cut on the left side.

 

[usctrojanman29_IHB]

They have a great basketball court in front.

Notice the feeble attempt to minimize the driveway with the triangle cut on the left side.

Yeah, you could really have a nice half court pick-up game on that driveway. haha

 

[bkshopr_IHB]

They have a great basketball court in front.

Notice the feeble attempt to minimize the driveway with the triangle cut on the left side.

I wonder how many times the ball hit the window above the hoop? Have you tried to dribble on a incline surface? I love the "curb repel" of these homes.

 

[irvine_home_owner_IHB]

There's no way I'll go 4CG... because then I can only live in IE or Vegas.

And real ballers won't ever hit that window... or even care about an incline surface... I can name at least 3 full courts in Irvine parks that have an incline (I tend to choose the basket that goes downhill... makes it easier for me to run... hehe).

 

[bkshopr_IHB]

There's no way I'll go 4CG... because then I can only live in IE or Vegas.

And real ballers won't ever hit that window... or even care about an incline surface... I can name at least 3 full courts in Irvine parks that have an incline (I tend to choose the basket that goes downhill... makes it easier for me to run... hehe).

Did you notice the places with the highest foreclosures are places like IE and Vegas with many of these 4 garage solutions? The one as shown in Corona is only $75 per sf.

 

[irvine_grad_IHB]

There's no way I'll go 4CG... because then I can only live in IE or Vegas.

And real ballers won't ever hit that window... or even care about an incline surface... I can name at least 3 full courts in Irvine parks that have an incline (I tend to choose the basket that goes downhill... makes it easier for me to run... hehe).

Hmmm. Do you happen to play at the Woodbury outdoor courts? Those courts have a wicked decline but they're on of the few with lights in Irvine!

 

[irvine_home_owner_IHB]

Did you notice the places with the highest foreclosures are places like IE and Vegas with many of these 4 garage solutions? The one as shown in Corona is only $75 per sf.

Even if those houses had bk-garage-in-the-back... the area would still be foreclosing.

Blame it on the alco-alco... alcoholic financing.

 

[irvine_home_owner_IHB]

There's no way I'll go 4CG... because then I can only live in IE or Vegas.

And real ballers won't ever hit that window... or even care about an incline surface... I can name at least 3 full courts in Irvine parks that have an incline (I tend to choose the basket that goes downhill... makes it easier for me to run... hehe).

Hmmm. Do you happen to play at the Woodbury outdoor courts? Those courts have a wicked decline but they're on of the few with lights in Irvine!

Yep... until younger guys started coming out... too fast for my knees.

Lighted bball courts in Irvine:

Woodbury Park

Woodbridge Community Park (by Senior Center)

Heritage Park

Orchard Park (near Heritage Park)

Orchard Hills Park

Quail Hill Community Center Park

Beckman High School (in the back near the tennis courts)

UCI Middle Earth

UCI Crawford Hall courts (near the baseball field)

Bonita Canyon Community Center

Tustin Ranch Sports Park (not really Irvine but close enough)

There are probably more but those are the ones I've personally played at over the years.