Lack of diversity in the workplace

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WTTCHMN said:
paydawg said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Whenever I hear stories about this I always wonder if I am getting all the facts.

Although I can acknowledge there is some "good ole boy" mentality still hanging around, I don't know if race (or gender) is that much of a barrier anymore these days.

Usually, if you're good, you'll get moved up, regardless of skin color or which bathroom you use. Usually when the truth comes out, there is some other reason(s) advancement doesn't happen and while it could be of cultural origin that affects the person's personality/work ethic/management skill, it's not something that isn't fixable.

To me, if you are really as good as you say you are, they would match the competing offer and if you really want to move up as much as you say you do, then if they don't, you go to that other company and move up there. Unless you are okay with being where you are at due to stability or other factors... and if that's the case, I don't think you should be too concerned because you chose that.

I'm in a similar position where I think my salary at another company is probably close to double but at the same time, I am in a position of stability and being able to choose what I want to do so I take that into more consideration than the dollar value. I can complain I'm not being paid enough... but then I'm also not having to work insane hours, be under more scrutiny and not having the flexibility to set my own schedule and tasks. It's always greener but then you think about the fact that you can post on TI a million times and that makes it all better. :)
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I'm completely fine if they were to say "you're not good enough to get promoted", but that's not the case.  I've never had a negative review (all have been very positive) and I've accomplished more than others that were promoted before me.  I expressed my frustration to my boss regarding those others that are being promoted and his response is "I agree they shouldn't have been promoted before you but just understand they were promoted for reasons that I cannot share -- they were special circumstances".  WTH is that?
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Dawg, time to leave.  The writing is on the wall.  Unless you prefer half the pay like IHO so you can keep posting on TI all day.
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I fully agree.  It's time to leave and I've already been putting out feelers to do just that.  It's not easy to leave with a comparable comp., benefits, and security of my current employer, but when I do find that next opportunity, I will not hesitate.  Until then, I feel stuck under bad & biased management.
 
paydawg said:
WTTCHMN said:
paydawg said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Whenever I hear stories about this I always wonder if I am getting all the facts.

Although I can acknowledge there is some "good ole boy" mentality still hanging around, I don't know if race (or gender) is that much of a barrier anymore these days.

Usually, if you're good, you'll get moved up, regardless of skin color or which bathroom you use. Usually when the truth comes out, there is some other reason(s) advancement doesn't happen and while it could be of cultural origin that affects the person's personality/work ethic/management skill, it's not something that isn't fixable.

To me, if you are really as good as you say you are, they would match the competing offer and if you really want to move up as much as you say you do, then if they don't, you go to that other company and move up there. Unless you are okay with being where you are at due to stability or other factors... and if that's the case, I don't think you should be too concerned because you chose that.

I'm in a similar position where I think my salary at another company is probably close to double but at the same time, I am in a position of stability and being able to choose what I want to do so I take that into more consideration than the dollar value. I can complain I'm not being paid enough... but then I'm also not having to work insane hours, be under more scrutiny and not having the flexibility to set my own schedule and tasks. It's always greener but then you think about the fact that you can post on TI a million times and that makes it all better. :)
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I'm completely fine if they were to say "you're not good enough to get promoted", but that's not the case.  I've never had a negative review (all have been very positive) and I've accomplished more than others that were promoted before me.  I expressed my frustration to my boss regarding those others that are being promoted and his response is "I agree they shouldn't have been promoted before you but just understand they were promoted for reasons that I cannot share -- they were special circumstances".  WTH is that?
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Dawg, time to leave.  The writing is on the wall.  Unless you prefer half the pay like IHO so you can keep posting on TI all day.
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I fully agree.  It's time to leave and I've already been putting out feelers to do just that.  It's not easy to leave with a comparable comp., benefits, and security of my current employer, but when I do find that next opportunity, I will not hesitate.  Until then, I feel stuck under bad & biased management.
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Good for you paydawg. You won't know what's out there until you actively start looking and that's always the first step to getting out of a dead end position. I tell my husband to still do the same despite being in leadership but he states the same as IHO - he works from home, no travel, flexibility, sets his own schedule, no micro-management. But STILL more pay is more earning potential and how does he know he can't get those same perks at another company with better pay unless he "actively looks around". That never hurts...just keeps your door of opportunity slightly open.
 
Paris said:
I tell my husband to still do the same despite being in leadership but he states the same as IHO - he works from home, no travel, flexibility, sets his own schedule, no micro-management. But STILL more pay is more earning potential and how does he know he can't get those same perks at another company with better pay unless he "actively looks around".
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Hey... Irvine Dream is going to figure out that we are actually husband and wife.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Paris said:
I tell my husband to still do the same despite being in leadership but he states the same as IHO - he works from home, no travel, flexibility, sets his own schedule, no micro-management. But STILL more pay is more earning potential and how does he know he can't get those same perks at another company with better pay unless he "actively looks around".
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Hey... Irvine Dream is going to figure out that we are actually husband and wife.
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Yeah IHO, if you were my husband I'd tell you the same thing. Don't get too comfortable, always keep the door of opportunity open  ;D
 
Speaking of perks, my company offers 4 months paid paternity leave.  I would never take advantage of that in a normal job, but under my current management I might consider taking full advantage of this benefit.  I have a baby coming later in the year.
 
I don't know the whole story or the situation. But reading your posts this is what I gathered: every year taking long vacations, complaining to your boss why your weren't promoted


 
paydawg said:
Speaking of perks, my company offers 4 months paid paternity leave.  I would never take advantage of that in a normal job, but under my current management I might consider taking full advantage of this benefit.  I have a baby coming later in the year.
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After your 4 months of paid paternity leave, you can extend it another 6 weeks and get state FMLA.  Then, 4 weeks into your FMLA you can give your 2 weeks notice.  Don't forget to clean out your desk before you leave!

 
eyephone said:
I don't know the whole story or the situation. But reading your posts this is what I gathered: every year taking long vacations, complaining to your boss why your weren't promoted
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Yes, I took a vacation this year...first extended vacation in 3 years.  The workload is currently on the light side, so my absence didn't cause any issues.  My boss took a 3 week vacation the month prior.  I get 4 weeks vacation every year, of which I've used 3 weeks each year.  Yes...I've had to lose 1 week of my accrued vacation time annually.  I only took 1 week of paternity leave when my first was born due to my extensive workload.  I actually received salary and bonus increases two of the past four years.  The first time I COMPLAINED about the promotion issue was this past January (2016).  The previous times were requests. 
 
paydawg said:
I'm completely fine if they were to say "you're not good enough to get promoted", but that's not the case.  I've never had a negative review (all have been very positive) and I've accomplished more than others that were promoted before me.  I expressed my frustration to my boss regarding those others that are being promoted and his response is "I agree they shouldn't have been promoted before you but just understand they were promoted for reasons that I cannot share -- they were special circumstances".  WTH is that?
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Promoting other disadvantaged groups?
 
zovall said:
paydawg said:
I'm completely fine if they were to say "you're not good enough to get promoted", but that's not the case.  I've never had a negative review (all have been very positive) and I've accomplished more than others that were promoted before me.  I expressed my frustration to my boss regarding those others that are being promoted and his response is "I agree they shouldn't have been promoted before you but just understand they were promoted for reasons that I cannot share -- they were special circumstances".  WTH is that?
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Promoting other disadvantaged groups?
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Well, it seems like white men are a minority these days.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
About that vacation thing, do you think it's a good thing or bad thing to be able to take multiple long vacations?
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As an employee, it's great.  As an employer, it's horrible.
 
Long vacations is probably one of the best things for an employee.

At my co, if you don't take your vacation, you'll be required to use half of it by yr end. There are some depts here that can be a grind, but by the latter part of the yr if you haven't taken time off, especially the more junior people, someone will tell you to go sit on a beach for 2 wks. I think its a great philosophy.

The worst thing is a company that offers generous perks on paper, but discourages employees from taking advantage of those perks.
 
Yes, I know it's great for employees but to in regards to paydawg's situation, if you are taking long vacations, does it help or hurt promotions?

There are a few people I know who take very long vacations, and during that vacation, you can't contact them, they don't read their email etc... so really, if they can be gone for that long, how crucial are they to the company? Interestingly enough, these same people are afraid of what will happen if their company gets bought out because they think they will lose their jobs.

I can't be dark that long, nor would I want to be because I like to know how things are going. Suffice to say, I don't like to take long vacations even though I can. And I actually want my company to be bought out, because that would probably mean a raise not a layoff.

So if you're not a boss, does taking long vacations hurt your career path?
 
irvinehomeowner said:
There are a few people I know who take very long vacations, and during that vacation, you can't contact them, they don't read their email etc... so really, if they can be gone for that long, how crucial are they to the company? Interestingly enough, these same people are afraid of what will happen if their company gets bought out because they think they will lose their jobs.
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Because those people know that they are not really needed and are afraid that their new employer will figure it out the truth.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Yes, I know it's great for employees but to in regards to paydawg's situation, if you are taking long vacations, does it help or hurt promotions?
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Multiple studies have shown that long vacations are no better than short ones in terms of employee morale, feeling well rested, etc.  Also, the idea of a long vacation is much better than actually taking one.

Employees tend to be more responsive to small, non-monetary perks, such as praise in front of others, employee of the month picture on the wall, casual fridays, etc. 
 
I guess it's about reading the crowd. In general I would say long vacations can't hurt, unless you know for a fact that mgmt is particularly unfavorable towards it.

My wife started a new job last yr at a shop that offered unlimited vacation. She had one staffer who told her that he didn't get along with her predecessor because his excessive vacation was frowned upon. After a while of working with him, she realized the problem wasn't that he took too much time off - he was simply a bad worker. He was lazy, so when he wasn't there it was especially annoying to everyone. The vacations exacerbated his bad perception, but it was easier to point to that than to say this guy simply sucks.

These are all generalizations. Maybe a particular boss is really finicky about long vacations. But I find it hard to believe someone could be a model employee, but long vacations is his/her only problem and its enough to prevent a deserved promotion. It's more likely a symptom of a larger issue.
 
If you don't take your vacation days, they sit in the vacation time back and is rolled over to the following year.  If you quit or is laid off, the company has to pay you for unused vacation days.  This means carrying large number of vacation days is actually a financial liability to the company.
 
WTTCHMN said:
Multiple studies have shown that long vacations are no better than short ones in terms of employee morale, feeling well rested, etc.
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Hehe... it's funny you say that.

Someone just came back from a 4-week vacation and recommended that the rest of us should take long vacations because it helps with their frame of mind. One of their managers is going on a vacation but was telling us they would be available in case of urgent matters but this person was telling us not to contact them at all because this person is one of those people who goes dark when they are off. Sounded like they were just trying to justify their long vacation (and it was really supposed to be just a 3-week vacation but the week they came back, they didn't come in because they needed to "catch up").

@acpme:

An employee who can take long vacations and their employer won't match a competing offer to keep them at their company are signs to me that their position (not necessarily the person) is not vital to the company therefore that may be a reason why there is no promotion track.

This discussion brings up a pet peeve of mine, remote employees who work at home and then complain when they have to come into the office for an in-person meeting:

"Oh the traffic was so bad"
"I hope this meeting doesn't go over, I have to leave before traffic starts"

And then at the same time brag they are able to do stuff around their house while on the phone and don't like teleconferences with webcams because they have to change out of their house clothes. Plus they say their days are packed when you try to schedule phone calls with them but they aren't at their home when you call nor do they answer your emails until night time.

#venting

 
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