Lack of diversity in the workplace

[riznick]

There's studies on how attractive people get paid more.  Different societies often favor some races over others when it comes to attractiveness.  That can result with systemic racism that occurs today.
  http://www.businessinsider.com/beautiful-people-make-more-money-2014-11

 

[YellowFever]

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[qwerty]

Let's not forget height. Every general counsel I work with is like 6'3". Luckily I'm 6ft, so tall enough

 

[paydawg]

There's studies on how attractive people get paid more.  Different societies often favor some races over others when it comes to attractiveness.  That can result with systemic racism that occurs today.
  http://www.businessinsider.com/beautiful-people-make-more-money-2014-11

are you implying Paydawg ain't attractive enough?

LOL...I get paid just fine.  That's not the issue.  Regardless....my boss is a guy and I'm a guy.  I don't think attractiveness plays a role here. 

BTW - I'd rate myself an '8' on the attractiveness scale.  I've done all right w/ the ladies - despite not having Qwer-ankles. 

 

[WTTCHMN]

There's studies on how attractive people get paid more.  Different societies often favor some races over others when it comes to attractiveness.  That can result with systemic racism that occurs today.
  http://www.businessinsider.com/beautiful-people-make-more-money-2014-11

are you implying Paydawg ain't attractive enough?

LOL...I get paid just fine.  That's not the issue.  Regardless....my boss is a guy and I'm a guy.  I don't think attractiveness plays a role here. 

BTW - I'd rate myself an '8' on the attractiveness scale.  I've done all right w/ the ladies - despite not having Qwer-ankles.

Qwerty will be insulted with you calling them cankles.

 

[eyephone]

Paydawg - I'm with Paris man, time to roll out

Fully agree.  I'm already on the hunt....just having a hard time finding an equivalent job/comp. due to my very specialized experience.

I guess your field is in Forensic accounting?

 

[qwerty]

There's studies on how attractive people get paid more.  Different societies often favor some races over others when it comes to attractiveness.  That can result with systemic racism that occurs today.
  http://www.businessinsider.com/beautiful-people-make-more-money-2014-11

are you implying Paydawg ain't attractive enough?

LOL...I get paid just fine.  That's not the issue.  Regardless....my boss is a guy and I'm a guy.  I don't think attractiveness plays a role here. 

BTW - I'd rate myself an '8' on the attractiveness scale.  I've done all right w/ the ladies - despite not having Qwer-ankles.

Qwerty will be insulted with you calling them cankles.

The appropriate name is qwercalves

 

[socal78]

3 years ago, I actually did have another job offer that paid about 40% more than I currently make.  ... I was in no position to actually that that offer, because it was at an unstable company in a more unstable job environment, and my kid was just born.  It was hard to walk away from ridiculous benefits (3 months paternity leave, 4-5 weeks vacation, 5% match on 401k, and a healthy base/bonus structure).  If I were single with no responsibilities, I would've left in a heartbeat.

Consider finding out if this offer still stands. Sometimes, they'll put it on ice for you.

 

[paydawg]

3 years ago, I actually did have another job offer that paid about 40% more than I currently make.  ... I was in no position to actually that that offer, because it was at an unstable company in a more unstable job environment, and my kid was just born.  It was hard to walk away from ridiculous benefits (3 months paternity leave, 4-5 weeks vacation, 5% match on 401k, and a healthy base/bonus structure).  If I were single with no responsibilities, I would've left in a heartbeat.

Consider finding out if this offer still stands. Sometimes, they'll put it on ice for you.

There's been a mass exodus at that firm.  Passing up that opportunity ended up being the right decision for me.  People are very unhappy there.  Sometimes it's not worth the extra compensation. 

 

[Perspective]

There's studies on how attractive people get paid more.  Different societies often favor some races over others when it comes to attractiveness.  That can result with systemic racism that occurs today.
  http://www.businessinsider.com/beautiful-people-make-more-money-2014-11

Yep, there are many physical features that elicit implicit bias. A handsome, tall, fit, black man will likely endure less implicit bias (in the US, at least on the coasts), than an unattractive, short, fat white man. The confluence of factors matter.

 

[Ready2Downsize]

Paydawg - I'm with Paris man, time to roll out

Fully agree.  I'm already on the hunt....just having a hard time finding an equivalent job/comp. due to my very specialized experience.

Maybe you are too good to be promoted. In other words, maybe by promoting you, the company would have a hard time finding someone who could do your niche job as well as you do so they just want to keep you in that job.

 

[paydawg]

Paydawg - I'm with Paris man, time to roll out

Fully agree.  I'm already on the hunt....just having a hard time finding an equivalent job/comp. due to my very specialized experience.

I wish that were the case, but a promotion wouldn't necessarily change my function (nor my compensation).  It's merely cosmetic in the short-term, but it definitely hinders my marketability outside the group. 

Maybe you are too good to be promoted. In other words, maybe by promoting you, the company would have a hard time finding someone who could do your niche job as well as you do so they just want to keep you in that job.

 

[eyephone]

There's studies on how attractive people get paid more.  Different societies often favor some races over others when it comes to attractiveness.  That can result with systemic racism that occurs today.
  http://www.businessinsider.com/beautiful-people-make-more-money-2014-11

are you implying Paydawg ain't attractive enough?

LOL...I get paid just fine.  That's not the issue.  Regardless....my boss is a guy and I'm a guy.  I don't think attractiveness plays a role here. 

BTW - I'd rate myself an '8' on the attractiveness scale.  I've done all right w/ the ladies - despite not having Qwer-ankles.

Is this the classic worker bee scenario? (What are your thoughts Magic?)

 

[LosOlivosDweller]

Do you go out to lunch with the seniors? How about after work? Do I need to tell you, it's about who you know?

 

[eyephone]

Do you go out to lunch with the seniors? How about after work? Do I need to tell you, it's about who you know?

You have good basic advice.
What can I say? Most people clock out after 5 pm. They don't take the extra step.

 

[Paris167]

Do you go out to lunch with the seniors? How about after work? Do I need to tell you, it's about who you know?

This is invaluable advice. Getting drunk (not stupid drunk) with the bosses and shooting the breeze after work is the best way to move up top. Or joining their next golf game. This is why I said earlier for women it was so difficult to do this bonding thing with the male leadership and move up. ESP these fortune 50 companies are like frats in the leadership realm. It is all about who you know and that brotherhood bond.

 

[eyephone]

Do you go out to lunch with the seniors? How about after work? Do I need to tell you, it's about who you know?

This is invaluable advice. Getting drunk (not stupid drunk) with the bosses and shooting the breeze after work is the best way to move up top. Or joining their next golf game. This is why I said earlier for women it was so difficult to do this bonding thing with the male leadership and move up. ESP these fortune 50 companies are like frats in the leadership realm. It is all about who you know and that brotherhood bond.

It's all up to the individual. Btw - the CEO of Pepsi is a female.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Whenever I hear stories about this I always wonder if I am getting all the facts.

Although I can acknowledge there is some "good ole boy" mentality still hanging around, I don't know if race (or gender) is that much of a barrier anymore these days.

Usually, if you're good, you'll get moved up, regardless of skin color or which bathroom you use. Usually when the truth comes out, there is some other reason(s) advancement doesn't happen and while it could be of cultural origin that affects the person's personality/work ethic/management skill, it's not something that isn't fixable.

To me, if you are really as good as you say you are, they would match the competing offer and if you really want to move up as much as you say you do, then if they don't, you go to that other company and move up there. Unless you are okay with being where you are at due to stability or other factors... and if that's the case, I don't think you should be too concerned because you chose that.

I'm in a similar position where I think my salary at another company is probably close to double but at the same time, I am in a position of stability and being able to choose what I want to do so I take that into more consideration than the dollar value. I can complain I'm not being paid enough... but then I'm also not having to work insane hours, be under more scrutiny and not having the flexibility to set my own schedule and tasks. It's always greener but then you think about the fact that you can post on TI a million times and that makes it all better.

 

[paydawg]

Whenever I hear stories about this I always wonder if I am getting all the facts.

Although I can acknowledge there is some "good ole boy" mentality still hanging around, I don't know if race (or gender) is that much of a barrier anymore these days.

Usually, if you're good, you'll get moved up, regardless of skin color or which bathroom you use. Usually when the truth comes out, there is some other reason(s) advancement doesn't happen and while it could be of cultural origin that affects the person's personality/work ethic/management skill, it's not something that isn't fixable.

To me, if you are really as good as you say you are, they would match the competing offer and if you really want to move up as much as you say you do, then if they don't, you go to that other company and move up there. Unless you are okay with being where you are at due to stability or other factors... and if that's the case, I don't think you should be too concerned because you chose that.

I'm in a similar position where I think my salary at another company is probably close to double but at the same time, I am in a position of stability and being able to choose what I want to do so I take that into more consideration than the dollar value. I can complain I'm not being paid enough... but then I'm also not having to work insane hours, be under more scrutiny and not having the flexibility to set my own schedule and tasks. It's always greener but then you think about the fact that you can post on TI a million times and that makes it all better.

I'm completely fine if they were to say "you're not good enough to get promoted", but that's not the case.  I've never had a negative review (all have been very positive) and I've accomplished more than others that were promoted before me.  I expressed my frustration to my boss regarding those others that are being promoted and his response is "I agree they shouldn't have been promoted before you but just understand they were promoted for reasons that I cannot share -- they were special circumstances".  WTH is that? 

 

[WTTCHMN]

Whenever I hear stories about this I always wonder if I am getting all the facts.

Although I can acknowledge there is some "good ole boy" mentality still hanging around, I don't know if race (or gender) is that much of a barrier anymore these days.

Usually, if you're good, you'll get moved up, regardless of skin color or which bathroom you use. Usually when the truth comes out, there is some other reason(s) advancement doesn't happen and while it could be of cultural origin that affects the person's personality/work ethic/management skill, it's not something that isn't fixable.

To me, if you are really as good as you say you are, they would match the competing offer and if you really want to move up as much as you say you do, then if they don't, you go to that other company and move up there. Unless you are okay with being where you are at due to stability or other factors... and if that's the case, I don't think you should be too concerned because you chose that.

I'm in a similar position where I think my salary at another company is probably close to double but at the same time, I am in a position of stability and being able to choose what I want to do so I take that into more consideration than the dollar value. I can complain I'm not being paid enough... but then I'm also not having to work insane hours, be under more scrutiny and not having the flexibility to set my own schedule and tasks. It's always greener but then you think about the fact that you can post on TI a million times and that makes it all better.

I'm completely fine if they were to say "you're not good enough to get promoted", but that's not the case.  I've never had a negative review (all have been very positive) and I've accomplished more than others that were promoted before me.  I expressed my frustration to my boss regarding those others that are being promoted and his response is "I agree they shouldn't have been promoted before you but just understand they were promoted for reasons that I cannot share -- they were special circumstances".  WTH is that?

Dawg, time to leave.  The writing is on the wall.  Unless you prefer half the pay like IHO so you can keep posting on TI all day.