LA Times: Post-affirmative action, Asian American families are more stressed than ever about college admissions

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The admissions consultant described what it takes to get into an elite college: Take 10 to 20 Advanced Placement courses. Create a “showstopper project.”

Asian American students need to be extremely strategic in how they present themselves, “to avoid anti-Asian discrimination,” the consultant, Sasha Chada of Ivy Scholars, said at the October webinar to an audience of mostly Asian parents and students.

Edward Yen, who doesn’t consider himself a “tiger parent,” wondered what extreme accomplishments his 11-year-old daughter will need to get into USC — considered a relative shoo-in back in the 1990s, when he attended.

“I appreciated the honesty,” Yen said of Chada’s presentation, which was co-hosted by the Los Angeles County Asian American Employees Assn. and the nonprofit Faith and Community Empowerment.

In the first college application season since the U.S. Supreme Court struck down affirmative action, Asian American students are more stressed out than ever. Race-conscious admissions were widely seen to have disadvantaged them, as borne out by disparities in the test scores of admitted students — but many feel that race will still be a hidden factor and that standards are even more opaque than before.

At seminars like Chada’s around Southern California this fall, some held in Korean or Mandarin for immigrant parents, consultants reinforced the message — even students with superhuman qualifications are regularly rejected from Harvard and UC Berkeley.

Parents who didn’t grow up in the American system, and who may have moved to the U.S. in large part for their children’s education, feel desperate and in the dark. Some shell out tens of thousands of dollars for consultants as early as junior high, fearing that anything less than a name-brand school could doom their children to an uncertain future. Sometimes, anxious students are the ones who ask their parents to hire a consultant.

Some consultants say they try to push schools that fit the student best, not necessarily the top-ranked ones — even as skeptics wonder whether they are scare-mongering in an attempt to drum up business. But especially for parents from countries like South Korea, China and India, where a single exam determines a student’s college choices, the lack of objective standards can be overwhelming.

“The worst part of stress comes out when kids feel helpless, not when someone sets a high bar for them,” said Chada, whose Indian father grew up in Northern Ireland.

Yen pointed out that going to a top college is no guarantee for career success, with Asian Americans overrepresented at many campuses yet underrepresented in leadership positions in government and other workplaces.

“A lot of our Asian parents are thinking it’s a golden ticket if you’re able to get into Harvard or Yale,” said Yen, president of the Los Angeles County Asian American Employees Assn., who lives in San Marino and whose parents immigrated from Taiwan. “I just want my daughter to be healthy, safe, and I want her to be successful in life.”

Srikanth Nagarajan, a 52-year-old manager at DirecTV and an immigrant from India, has been nudging his daughter to shoot for top schools like Harvard.

Sam Srikanth, a senior at El Segundo High, has a 4.41 GPA and has taken seven AP courses, which she said was the maximum number offered at her school. She is captain of the varsity swim team and is working on a research project about the role of race in college basketball recruiting.

After asking teachers and school counselors to read her admissions essays, Srikanth decided to hire a private counselor. But she ended up not using the counselor’s suggestions because they didn’t feel like her voice.

Srikanth said her “hopes got a little bit higher” after the Supreme Court’s decision.

But with her last name, she said, “you actually fill out the application and realize there’s no way colleges won’t figure out what race you are.”

Her older sister, who applied to colleges five years ago with a similar resume, got rejected from 18 of 20 or so schools and ended up at Boston College.

“I can’t be let down if my expectations are already so low,” Srikanth said.

When Sunny Lee came to the U.S. from South Korea in 2006 for postdoctoral work at USC, she thought that people could succeed in America even if they didn’t go to college.

But after moving to San Marino about a decade ago to raise her three sons — the oldest is now in 7th grade — she saw neighbors hiring athletic coaches and academic consultants for kids who were still in elementary school.

The moms she knows fret about students who seem like slam dunks being denied by top schools.

“A student known as a genius at San Marino High ended up going to Pasadena City College,” said Lee, 48, a researcher at USC Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center. “Moms were having a mental breakdown.”

A friend told Lee that she regretted spending only $3,000 for a consultant to go over her child’s admissions essays. For her next child, the friend would spend at least $10,000.

With both her and her husband working full-time, Lee feels an admission consultant is necessary just to keep up, especially with opaqueness and unpredictability of college admissions.

“It’s a fight over information,” she said.

She said she doesn’t think her oldest son needs a consultant yet. But she would like her middle son, a fifth-grader, to start working with one.

On the outskirts of Koreatown in July, dozens of Korean American students and parents attended a five-hour seminar hosted by Radio Seoul.

Several admissions consultants said in Korean and English that the end of affirmative action could improve Asian American students’ chances of getting into elite colleges.

One urged parents to give up their hobbies — no more golfing every weekend — so they can hover over their children.

Won Jong Kim, director of the college consulting firm Boston Education, described several students who got into elite schools.

Anna, who got into Harvard, took AP Calculus AB in 7th grade. Ben, who got into Stanford, took 15 AP classes.

Esther’s academics weren’t “stellar,” Kim said — only a 4.3 GPA, 1520 SAT and nine AP courses. But in her personal statement, she wrote about her mother’s fight with breast cancer. And she was admitted to the University of Pennsylvania.

“That was her trump card. It was a unique situation that she overcame,” Kim said. “To be frank, she got really lucky.”

In an interview, Kim said he wanted to show the “common characteristics” of those who get into Ivy League schools.

“Every year, the bar goes up for students looking to get into top colleges,” he said.

Chung Lee, the chief consultant at Ivy Dream, said he tries to share information in free seminars hosted by various community organizations.

“The colleges’ lack of transparency has created this sense of fear,” he said.

In Temple City, Shun Zhang said she doesn’t want to put pressure on her son, Connor Sam.

Zhang, a 48-year-old realtor, wants to give him the support structure she didn’t have growing up as an immigrant from China.

Her only requirement is that he play a sport, to stay active and healthy. Still, Sam, a senior at Temple City High who is on the varsity soccer team and interns for Assemblymember Mike Fong, feels the need to push himself. He wants to double major in sociology and some kind of science at UCLA.

Hoping to be “more organized and put together,” he asked his parents for a personal admissions counselor to help him reflect on his accomplishments and brainstorm essay topics. He has been working with the counselor for two years and finds it helpful.

Sam, whose father is a refugee from Vietnam and works as a project manager, said he thinks about how well his parents have provided for him and wants to be as successful.

Going to a good college would go a long way in securing a good job and “maintain where I am,” he said.

But for all his hard work and preparation, he views college admissions as a crapshoot.

“I don’t really know what they are looking for,” he said.
 
I don't think posting a full article to TI so readers can circumvent the paywall is a good idea.
 
Me too... Internet should be freeeeeeeeee!

But I thought Asians were excluded from Affirmative Action years ago (I admit I know very little about this).
I'm just saying, beyond the ethics of stealing, this is distribution of their property without permission. It opens the door to damages against TI and shutdown of the site.

This kind of reminds me of the early days of the COVID vaccine. Many TI'ers were openly bragging about jumping their place in the queue to get shots before the elderly and sick could get theirs. There's a little bit of a moral rot in Irvine.
 
Good stuff here. But nothing different than way back when UC "stopped" affirmative action (all it meant was UC could no longer use the phrase "affirmative action" in any official speech or print as it concerns admissions). It was business as usual, really. Actually, this time around, overrepresented Asians are (and have been since COVID and test optional and test blind policy) screwed even worse.
 
The value and excellence represented by most of the Big 10 schools is kind of a hidden secret especially over 2nd tier privates like BC though being in Boston is an advantage in the job search. If a high paying job is the goal Santa Clara of all schools rates high in the avg salary x years after grad.
 
The value and excellence represented by most of the Big 10 schools is kind of a hidden secret especially over 2nd tier privates like BC though being in Boston is an advantage in the job search. If a high paying job is the goal Santa Clara of all schools rates high in the avg salary x years after grad.
Have you ever heard of someone who got rejected by Santa Clara? Prestige at entry matters to most hs students and their families more than (and before, of course) salary after exit. It's meaningful and important.
 
Have you ever heard of someone who got rejected by Santa Clara?
yes as it's a very popular destination for white kids up here that try to leverage Catholic connections (Bellarmine/Mitty/St Francis/Serra etc) to get in but SC is increasingly selective. Bay area salaries for new grads are eye popping if you're not familair with them and SC has excellent job placement, like USC always has.
 
yes as it's a very popular destination for white kids up here that try to leverage Catholic connections (Bellarmine/Mitty/St Francis/Serra etc) to get in but SC is increasingly selective. Bay area salaries for new grads are eye popping if you're not familair with them and SC has excellent job placement, like USC always has.
No one I've ever known applied to Santa Clara as their top choice. Just like no one I've ever known applied to Pepperdine as their top choice. These schools are almost pay-to-play. Prestige matters because this is a competitive country and world. The quality of your classmates in every class matters. The level of your professors matters. Let's not encourage an effort to be mediocre
 
No one I've ever known applied to Santa Clara as their top choice. Just like no one I've ever known applied to Pepperdine as their top choice. These schools are almost pay-to-play. Prestige matters because this is a competitive country and world. The quality of your classmates in every class matters. The level of your professors matters. Let's not encourage an effort to be mediocre
My degree is from one of the top engineering schools in the country and I went straight into sales where my academic pedigree has been a differentiator. People go to Santa Clara because there is a straight pipeline from the Bay area Catholic schools and the hiring network in Silicon Valley is VERY strong. Again, go check the college rankings sorted by highest avg salary x years after graduation - Santa Clara tops most of the best schools.
 
My degree is from one of the top engineering schools in the country and I went straight into sales where my academic pedigree has been a differentiator. People go to Santa Clara because there is a straight pipeline from the Bay area Catholic schools and the hiring network in Silicon Valley is VERY strong. Again, go check the college rankings sorted by highest avg salary x years after graduation - Santa Clara tops most of the best schools.
The average pay of graduates doesn't matter to the highest performing hs students or to the highest performing college students.

What school is your engineering degree from? You went to a top engineering school and you're encouraging other people to go to Santa Clara? Years ago, I knew an engineer who graduated from Caltech who had some sort of paid mentorship position trying to advise hs students that Cal State San Luis Obispo was a better place to go than Caltech or UCLA for engineering and job outcome. That is totally unethical. That shithead hypocrite himself went to Caltech. He would have cut his own balls off if he had to go to SLO.
 
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Wait a minute, OCtoSV, you went to USC for engineering? That's one of the best engineering schools? And you're espousing Santa Clara, Cal State San Jose, USC, and the Big Ten? All because you and your kid(s) couldn't or were afraid to compete?

How nefarious and cowardly of you. You have lost any credibility here.
 
AND you support Trump? Because if some guy named Mike Shapiro had taken the SAT for you (like he did for Trump), you could have gone to Caltech or MIT or Harvey Mudd (like Trump transferred from Fordham to U. Penn)? So that you don't take it against Trump at all because it's whatever it takes and I got to look out for number one? As well as supply/demand and business, the economy, and gas prices? LOL. You're dumb.
 
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The average pay of graduates doesn't matter to the highest performing hs students or to the highest performing college students.

What school is your engineering degree from? You went to a top engineering school and you're encouraging other people to go to Santa Clara? Years ago, I knew an engineer who graduated from Caltech who had some sort of paid mentorship position trying to advise hs students that Cal State San Luis Obispo was a better place to go than Caltech or UCLA for engineering and job outcome. That is totally unethical. That shithead hypocrite himself went to Caltech. He would have cut his own balls off if he had to go to SLO.
Sounds like you're a struggling idealistic Gen Z'er. I was offered a scholarship to Oxy in a 3/2 program with Caltech but having taken classes at Caltech all through jr high and high school summers as I grew up in Pasadena that was the last place I would ever want to go as I wanted to make money, not spend a career in a lab though I salute Caltech as the top science school in the world hands down. I knew Feynman's daughter (adopted) growing up and one of my super dorky high school friends did got to Caltech and he's a researcher with a net worth a fraction of mine. Nowadays Caltech sends a lot of quants to Wall St but in the 80s it was different.

I'm not encouraging anyone to go anywhere but you're obviously ignorant of the job market. Most parents want their kids to make good money when they graduate and if you're into Catholic schools SC is a destination school, sort of like the Notre Dame of Silicon Valley. The CS dept is very legit there as well. My engineering school, USC, is the top hiring target for Google, and since I've lived up here the past 20 years I've seen USC's profile grow enormously where it's often the top choice over Cal/UCLA as it's a more plush environment and they shower top students with merit aid (like me, a half tuition merit scholarship). USC EE/CS grads are in high demand as the program is rigorous. Plus I got to bang really hot girls there and surf dumpy beachbreak in the South Bay. The best of times.

Cal Poly SLO is a big hiring target for SV companies as well and is the #1 choice for many families up here. Tons of SLO grads everywhere across SV.
 
Wait a minute, OCtoSV, you went to USC for engineering? That's one of the best engineering schools? And you're espousing Santa Clara, Cal State San Jose, USC, and the Big Ten? All because you and your kid(s) couldn't or were afraid to compete?

How nefarious and cowardly of you. You have lost any credibility here.
USC Viterbi in the top engineering school in SoCal today and even when I was there the engineering career fairs were wall to wall recruiters. USC does the best job of preapring students for the professional world due to the agressive social atmoshpere one must compete in. Check the CS rankings on Big 10 schools, and SJSU has become the premier Cal State due to their CS dept and the eager recruiting by all the big SV companies.

I wouldn't expect you to know any of this you're obviosuly not in tech and seem detached from reality.
 
These elite schools have very different goals these days. As I have said before I was a Computer Science/Economics System Science major out of UCLA in the 80’s. CS was so nascent then that my Profs were guys like David Kay who pioneered Fortran and Pascal. I was in it for the money and really should have stuck to the discipline as most of my fellow students are now multi-millionaires and billionaires. I chose Money management and business and applied my knowledge accordingly. It all worked out. But for this generation/my kids UCLA just didn’t fit their goals/interest and quite honestly, I did not want them to go to there bc the school has gone off the woke edge and our football team sucks. They landed at the schools that best fit their intellect and goals. 🤷🏽‍♂️🦄🌈
 
AND you support Trump? Because if some guy named Mike Shapiro had taken the SAT for you (like he did for Trump), you could have gone to Caltech or MIT or Harvey Mudd (like Trump transferred from Fordham to U. Penn)? So that you don't take it against Trump at all because it's whatever it takes and I got to look out for number one? As well as supply/demand and business, the economy, and gas prices? LOL. You're dumb.
I suspected you were anti-semitic so thanks for illuminating that clearly. Getting in is one thing but graduating from undergrad Wharton is another. And have you seen the women at MIT/Caltech/HM? No thanks.
 
These elite schools have very different goals these days. As I have said before I was a Computer Science/Economics System Science major out of UCLA in the 80’s. CS was so nascent then that my Profs were guys like David Kay who pioneered Fortran and Pascal. I was in it for the money and really should have stuck to the discipline as most of my fellow students are now multi-millionaires and billionaires. I chose Money management and business and applied my knowledge accordingly. It all worked out. But for this generation/my kids UCLA just didn’t fit their goals/interest and quite honestly, I did not want them to go to there bc the school has gone off the woke edge and our football team sucks. They landed at the schools that best fit their intellect and goals. 🤷🏽‍♂️🦄🌈
My algos prof was Leonard Adelman - the A in RSA. Freshman chemistry was taught by Dr. Olah who won a Nobel. Great undergrad teaching at USC.
 
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