July 28th California goes bust

Take a read of this interesting <a href="http://www.sco.ca.gov/Press-Releases/2009/ControllerLetter06-10-09.pdf">letter</a> from the State Controller to the Governator and the State Senate. Wow, this isn't going to end well, is it? But wait, the economy is recovering with all those "green" shoots....NOT!
 
[quote author="No_Such_Reality" date=1244719598]And the $64,000 question, is that good or bad?



Granted it's going to be ugly.</blockquote>
Do you even need to ask....we rally past Dow 10,000 on the news that the Feds bail out the State of California. haha It's time the state starts cutting services, staff, and staff salaries or all hell breaks loose. My understand is that states can not file for bankruptcy, can they?
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1244719923][quote author="No_Such_Reality" date=1244719598]And the $64,000 question, is that good or bad?



Granted it's going to be ugly.</blockquote>
Do you even need to ask....we rally past Dow 10,000 on the news that the Feds bail out the State of California. haha It's time the state starts cutting services, staff, and staff salaries or all hell breaks loose. My understand is that states can not file for bankruptcy, can they?</blockquote>


Are you sure that's not Dow 7000 and 10yr to 5%?
 
[quote author="No_Such_Reality" date=1244720482][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1244719923][quote author="No_Such_Reality" date=1244719598]And the $64,000 question, is that good or bad?



Granted it's going to be ugly.</blockquote>
Do you even need to ask....we rally past Dow 10,000 on the news that the Feds bail out the State of California. haha It's time the state starts cutting services, staff, and staff salaries or all hell breaks loose. My understand is that states can not file for bankruptcy, can they?</blockquote>


Are you sure that's not Dow 7000 and 10yr to 5%?</blockquote>
The way the powers that be keep propping up the market, they sure look like they want to take the Dow to 10,000 by this summer. Don't worry though, I think we re-test the lows from March whether this fall/winter or next year when people realize the recovery is nowhere to be found.
 
states cannot BK. But they can repudiate their debts. happened in the 1840s, and again by some of the loser states from the civil war. not since.



The question is since munis are largely owned by the wealthy, will they stand by and allow the repudiation, or will they force the feds to step in and backstop the debt?
 
[quote author="freedomCM" date=1244766354]states cannot BK. But they can repudiate their debts. happened in the 1840s, and again by some of the loser states from the civil war. not since.



The question is since munis are largely owned by the wealthy, will they stand by and allow the repudiation, or will they force the feds to step in and backstop the debt?</blockquote>
My bet is that the powers to be will strong area the feds to step in and make the bondholders whole.
 
There are a whole lot of votes in California that Obama will be counting on in 2012. I can't imagine he would want the fine citizenry of this great state walking into the voting booth believing he failed to do everything he possibly could to prevent the collapse of our lovely state.



Does California fall under the heading of "too big to fail"?
 
Isn't this like the 5th time California has gone broke in the past year? They need to stop crying wolf or fire 1/2 of their employees.
 
[quote author="CK" date=1244773295]There are a whole lot of votes in California that Obama will be counting on in 2012. I can't imagine he would want the fine citizenry of this great state walking into the voting booth believing he failed to do everything he possibly could to prevent the collapse of our lovely state.



Does California fall under the heading of "too big to fail"?</blockquote>
Considering that the state is the largest 5th or 6th economy in the world by itself, then yes it is too big to fail. Besides that, we have the most electoral votes.
 
If California repudiates the current loans, they will not be able to secure new loans going forward, and they will be further screwed. The only way is to fire teachers, firefighters and policeman.



No money to pay for anything? Let the layoffs commence!



If the federal government steps in to fill the gap, it's a moral hazard.

Another state could hire 10,000 more policemen and have the fed take care of that bill just like Cali.
 
Sell San Quentin prison? Inmates don't want to go

<A href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/08/national/a133147D63.DTL">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/08/national/a133147D63.DTL</A>



The property in question is San Quentin State Prison, a maximum-security penitentiary where some of the state's toughest inmates have access to a variety of programs such as tennis and drama, thanks to the many prison volunteers who live in the Bay Area.

...

Still, during one recent visit, the tennis team was practicing. And inmates with clear natural talent worked in a studio on art projects commissioned by the prison.
 
[quote author="Anonymous" date=1244788348]Sell San Quentin prison? Inmates don't want to go

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The property in question is San Quentin State Prison, a maximum-security penitentiary where some of the state's toughest inmates have access to a variety of programs such as tennis and drama, thanks to the many prison volunteers who live in the Bay Area.

...

Still, during one recent visit, the tennis team was practicing. And inmates with clear natural talent worked in a studio on art projects commissioned by the prison.</blockquote>


Why not outsource the Prison system to China? There are empty container ships leaving Long Beach for there every Day!!



I can't think of a good reason why we shouldn't, we outsource everything else...
 
More information on the finances of our great State:



"Last month, I mentioned our concern about the deficits at the State, County and City levels in California. The State of California reported a shortfall of $22.8 Billion on April 29th. Now we are told the new number is $34 Billion. The State has the right to divert county property tax revenues from cities and counties for State spending so long as they are paid back within 3 years, plus interest. The City of Los Angeles expected to lay off 2,800 jobs to balance their budget before the State announced the $1.0 Billion hold back from Los Angeles County. The State of California and County of Los Angeles are required by their charters to balance their budget each year. The State just held a special election with Propositions to help borrow and shift moneys held in other coffers, but all propositions failed by a wide margin except Prop F limiting pay to the legislatures while the state does not have a balanced budget. Just last week, in order to balance the budget, the State announced that they will take $1.0 Billion from Los Angeles County in all areas of government, which will be devastating. The State, Counties, and Cities of California will be forced to cut jobs and lay off many more workers than planned. We expect these cuts will start to happen over the summer and unemployment will continue to rise for the balance of 2009.







On another front, we have heard rumblings about the decline in international shipping imports to the West Coast. With the decline in consumer spending and tough new government restrictions on container shipping pollution levels, the shipping industry has started to decline on the West Coast. Also the 3 local Southern California Airports are reporting reductions in total passenger traffic of 11.1% and a 23.5% decline in freight tonnage also due to the slow down in business. The Ports of Los Angeles, San Pedro, Oakland, Seattle and Portland are all showing declines in Asian shipping into the country. There are several reasons for this decline. One is the rail system. Although the US rail owners have increased their investments in recent years, with numerous bankruptcies and mergers of US railroads, the results today are just two major US Western railroads (BNSF and Union Pacific) and two major railroad companies in the East (CSX and Norfolk Southern). This consolidation has not led to efficiency or better investment. Due to higher operating costs, especially fuel; the railroads have increased their pricing with the mistaken belief that they had a captive audience. Second is the fact that most of America?s population is concentrated east of the Mississippi, nearly 2,000 miles away making high-volume distribution impossible without trains. Third, the Panama Canal widening due to be completed by 2014. The Panama Canal has rejuvenated aggressively, and the soon-to-be widened canal is about to take that ?not-so-captive? market away, possibly forever from the rail lines (see attached articles). The widening of the Panama Canal will allow the larger tanker ships to go to ports in Texas, saving days of shipping time and money than if they docked on the West Coast Ports. This weakness started in 2007 as the Western US Ports saw their container box traffic fall by 1.1% in 2007, and Eastern Ports saw an increase in volume of 4.9% last year. This new trend is expected to end the prosperous container shipping that supports over 880,000 jobs in the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach. The last time Los Angeles County lost over 550,000 jobs was in 1991, the start of our most devastating recession in decades. Although we do not expect to lose all port jobs to these changes in the shipping industry, the costs to Southern California jobs will be hit hard starting in 2011 just when most hope the recession will be over. And the distribution story sold for over 15 years to investors as why they should invest in real estate in the Inland Empire, in my opinion is over as distribution centers and warehousing (the job drivers) will be highly impacted in the next few years to the potential point of decimation, in my opinion."
 
Video interview of widow, 85, facing foreclosure

<A href="http://mortgage.freedomblogging.com/2009/06/11/video-interview-of-widow-85-facing-foreclosure/11815/">http://mortgage.freedomblogging.com/2009/06/11/video-interview-of-widow-85-facing-foreclosure/11815/</A>
 
[quote author="PeterUK" date=1244813747][quote author="Anonymous" date=1244788348]Sell San Quentin prison? Inmates don't want to go

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The property in question is San Quentin State Prison, a maximum-security penitentiary where some of the state's toughest inmates have access to a variety of programs such as tennis and drama, thanks to the many prison volunteers who live in the Bay Area.

...

Still, during one recent visit, the tennis team was practicing. And inmates with clear natural talent worked in a studio on art projects commissioned by the prison.</blockquote>


Why not outsource the Prison system to China? There are empty container ships leaving Long Beach for there every Day!!



I can't think of a good reason why we shouldn't, we outsource everything else...</blockquote>


Chinese prisoners are killed for their organs. It wouldn't work.

A liver is $100,000 donated to the PLA
 
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