ICE or EV?

[Liar Loan]

I was just on a trip to Dallas/Ft. Worth and saw exactly 0.0 electric vehicles. This is a metro area with 8.3 million residents.

Some places would have an isolated charger here or there in the parking lot, but I didn't see any parking lot with more than four chargers scattered about, and they were always available with nobody using them.

 

[morekaos]

There normal people in this very thread who can afford and find that EVs work for them.

My EVs were cheaper than ICE cars.

Just because you think it doesn’t make it true. It’s hilarious you still think EVs are unaffordable.

To most of the people on this board, they have always been affordable, still are…but for most others….that is just not true. . And given a choice the vast majority will and still Purchase ICE…that’s just a fact, and not my fact

 

[morekaos]

I was just on a trip to Dallas/Ft. Worth and saw exactly 0.0 electric vehicles. This is a metro area with 8.3 million residents.

Some places would have an isolated charger here or there in the parking lot, but I didn't see any parking lot with more than four chargers scattered about, and they were always available with nobody using them.

people in our state suffer from terrarium bias…they think everyone else acts like those they are trapped with…EVs are like that. Only the coastal elites want them so all their friends have them…problem is, things out in the ocean are different.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2026-us-electric-vehicle-experience-evx-ownership-study

 

[morekaos]

Nice! There are 5741 happy vehicle owners out of the approximately 98,000,000 autos in the US…bravo!

 

[Liar Loan]

people in our state suffer from terrarium bias…they think everyone else acts like those they are trapped with…EVs are like that. Only the coastal elites want them so all their friends have them…problem is, things out in the ocean are different.

The thing about DFW is they have a LOT of land out there. Everything is spread out. We drove about 700 miles in five days just to get where we were going (which for us was multiple ice rinks and family visits). My point is that in the LA/OC metro you don't have to worry as much about range because things are more compact, but in DFW range anxiety is a very real concern.

Secondly, there's a cultural difference. My son and I went to a sports bar between hockey matches and I had to laugh because the front row of parking was TRUCK, TRUCK, TRUCK. There were literally eight trucks parked side-by-side in front of this place. That is just the norm out there and I think Tesla's might be viewed as a beta vehicle.

Lastly, I could completely fill the gas tank of our rental SUV for less than $40. To charge a Tesla nightly would probably add $200-250 to a monthly electric bill. They already pay a lot for electricity due to high cooling needs six months out of the year. Who wants to add to that?

 

[morekaos]

Should be an interesting experiment this summer. We already have 2 driving trips scheduled…1 to Grand Canyon railway and the other to Montana for a wedding. Driving to both in our Chevy Suburban…I will observe and report of my EV encounters.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I know OC2SV likes FSD, but I think I've said before this brings out some insurance questions on who covers the damages if FSD was at fault:

Tesla has to pay historic $243 million judgement over Autopilot crash, judge says

A federal judge has rejected Tesla’s bid to overturn a $243 million jury verdict over a fatal 2019 Autopilot crash...

electrek.co

This is tech I can't really trust just yet because there are so many factors. Someone I know got sideswiped by another driver and even though at the time the other driver said they didn't see them, when it came to insurance claims they said the other driver swerved into them so it wasn't a no fault claim and they had to pay the deductible. That made me go out and buy some dashcams because people will blame anything but themselves.

 

[zovall]

I know OC2SV likes FSD, but I think I've said before this brings out some insurance questions on who covers the damages if FSD was at fault:

Tesla has to pay historic $243 million judgement over Autopilot crash, judge says

A federal judge has rejected Tesla’s bid to overturn a $243 million jury verdict over a fatal 2019 Autopilot crash...

electrek.co

This is tech I can't really trust just yet because there are so many factors. Someone I know got sideswiped by another driver and even though at the time the other driver said they didn't see them, when it came to insurance claims they said the other driver swerved into them so it wasn't a no fault claim and they had to pay the deductible. That made me go out and buy some dashcams because people will blame anything but themselves.

Have you tried Waymo (in LA but not yet in Irvine) or the Tesla Robotaxi service (in Bay Area and Austin)? Or tried the latest Tesla FSD (Supervised) in a HW4/AI4 car like the new Model Y? I suspect most people who are not sold, have not experienced where the tech truly is.
Dashcams are a good idea - glad all Teslas have that built in.

 

[OCtoSV]

I know OC2SV likes FSD, but I think I've said before this brings out some insurance questions on who covers the damages if FSD was at fault:

Tesla has to pay historic $243 million judgement over Autopilot crash, judge says

A federal judge has rejected Tesla’s bid to overturn a $243 million jury verdict over a fatal 2019 Autopilot crash...

electrek.co

This is tech I can't really trust just yet because there are so many factors. Someone I know got sideswiped by another driver and even though at the time the other driver said they didn't see them, when it came to insurance claims they said the other driver swerved into them so it wasn't a no fault claim and they had to pay the deductible. That made me go out and buy some dashcams because people will blame anything but themselves.

It takes me very safely up to SJC and back on a routine basis - life changing technology and probably life saving in a couple of instances where cameras saw a hazard I didn’t see initially

 

[qwerty]

BMW does have the drive recorder. If you are in an accident it will record the 30 seconds before/after the accident. Or you can manually record something as well. The big drawback is that you have to turn on this feature after you buy the car although that takes like 20 seconds. They really need to have the Sentry feature (I think that’s what it is called) where if you are parked you can see what happened. Not sure why blue didn’t just offer that.

 

[morekaos]

Ferrari will probably do the same with Luce…cut your losses while slow walking what they knew was a losing program…better than the $19 Billion dollar hit Ford took for stepping in it….

Lamborghini kills off luxury EV as CEO says demand 'close to zero
“Investing heavily in full-EV development when the market and customer base are not ready would be an expensive hobby, and financially irresponsible toward shareholders, customers, [and] to our employees and their families," Winkelmann said, adding that the “acceptance curve” for pure EVs in Lamborghini’s target market was flattening and “close to zero,” per the Times.

To that end, Lamborghini would continue to build internal combustion engines “for as long as possible,” he said.
The Italian luxury automaker’s reversal with EVs, though not surprising, is an about-face for Winkelmann and Lamborghini.

Lamborghini kills off luxury EV as CEO says demand 'close to zero'

 

[morekaos]

As usual... cherry picking... the next sentence after that:

Lamborghini will electrify its entire lineup by the end of 2024, including a Huracan PHEV and Urus PHEV due out next year.

Aggressive enough for you?

Another accurate prediction from 3 year ago comes true…doomed from the start

 

[Liar Loan]

Another accurate prediction from 3 year ago comes true…doomed from the start

IHO hates accurate predictions, like showing a crucifix to a vampire.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I also like LL's many inaccurate ones. Tell us again how Tesla did not do well in the EV space.

Open the can, prepare for the worms.

 

[Liar Loan]

I also like LL's many inaccurate ones. Tell us again how Tesla did not do well in the EV space.

Straw man alert... Straw man alert.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Tesla has been around for over 20 years and they haven't caught on.

This is what you said. Straight from your keyboard.

And this is a strawman:

You've made an unsupported claim. Just like the left tried to peg Charlie Kirk's killer as a right wing assailant.

You know little about the EV space yet you try to come in here and talk about it just because morekaos is fighting me on it and you want to throw some punches. I've tried to be civil with you lately, even agreeing with your posts that I align with but you always need to poke. Just like your previous comment... no one was asking you and you had to jab.

Maybe you were a bully when you were younger and it's the only way you know... just like you took shots at USC and CalBears in the Irvine Real Estate post.

Makes you look like a sore loser. Give it a rest.

 

[Liar Loan]

I never said Tesla "did not do well in the EV space". That's a statement made up by you.

The EV space as a whole has failed to catch on. Tesla is the leader in this struggling niche, but their US sales declined in 2025, so it's not going too well.

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Then of course, there's this:

Tesla Has the Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands, Study Finds​

Tesla vehicles suffer fatal accidents at a rate that's twice the industry average, according to a new report.

Tesla Has Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands: Study

Tesla vehicles suffer fatal accidents at a rate that's twice the industry average, according to a new report.

www.roadandtrack.com

 

[morekaos]

…And, also as accurately predicted…it was all a giant waste of our tax dollars…totally avoidable and self inflicted…

Bad Bets: Massive EV Subsidies Not Paying Off​

Outside of government work, the market for EV makers is grim. On Feb. 6, Stellantis announced a $26 billion loss on its EV business. Ford has never been able to entice buyers to an electric version of its F-150 pickup, which for many years has been the best-selling car in America, and two months ago announced it will absorb losses of $19 billion on its EV ventures through 2027. In an earnings call this month, Honda revealed big 2025 EV losses, which have now cost the company close to $5 billion.

In between those staggering hits came General Motors, whose Chief Executive Mary Barra has been an outspoken booster of EVs. Last month, General Motors announced a $6 billion write-off, which, added to previous losses, brings GM’s EV hit to $7.6 billion. The German carmaker Volkswagen has seen declining sales of its EV cars in the U.S. – they fell off a cliff in the last quarter of 2025 after federal payments for buyers ended. VW executives said last year the company remained committed to spending $180 billion on its EV ventures, a slight reduction from initial estimates, but its flagship model, the ID4, is the slowest-selling car in the United States.

“There have been massive, mounting losses that are going to have to be made up somewhere,” Pyle said. “Washington bludgeoned carmakers into a timetable of efficiency standards and the carmakers went along with it. People should be vehemently opposed to anything mandatory, which in effect is what the government is doing.”

Bad Bets: Massive EV Subsidies Not Paying Off | RealClearInvestigations

OVERCHARGED EXPECTATIONS: UNMASKING THE TRUE COSTS OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES

2023-10-TrueCostofEVs-BennettIsaac.pdf