ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 16 34.0%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 24 51.1%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Total voters
    47
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Liar Loan said:
Lies upon lies.
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Stop trying to pick fights. You can't win because the posts and facts don't back you up.

Norway new car sales are almost close to 100% EVs.

@morekaos Not sure what you are saying... I was just responding to the post about China saying what Norway is doing... I didn't even post the China one. So keep trying.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
As I sad... shifting to more affordable EVs:

electrek.co

Ford has 5 more affordable vehicles coming for under $40,000, including a new EV

Ford is promising to introduce more affordable vehicles over the next few years, including five priced under $40,000. Ford bets...
electrek.co electrek.co

Ford not giving up on EVs yet. :)
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If ever…all Ford is doing is licking it’s gaping wounds, and trying to save some face😂👎🏽🦄🌈

“Ford is promising to introduce more affordable vehicles over the next few years”
 
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Actually of Toyota US sales, EV were **less** than 1%.

I’m not moving anything. I’m referring to your contention that Toyota will always embrace pure ICE. That’s not true. I can AI answer this for you or you can just accept that the world is evolving.

How long did you hold on to your Palm Pilot or BlackBerry?
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Actually of Toyota US sales, EV were **less** than 1%.

I’m not moving anything. I’m referring to your contention that Toyota will always embrace pure ICE. That’s not true. I can AI answer this for you or you can just accept that the world is evolving.

How long did you hold on to your Palm Pilot or BlackBerry?
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Toyota has always dominated the hybrid market….never had a blackberry but I did have one of the 1st Newtons😂😂😂
 
Japanese Big Oil betting on Toyota EVs:

electrek.co

Big oil is betting big on Toyota to win the solid-state battery race

Toyota has been working on a solid-state program with Japanese refining oil giant Idemitsu Kosan since 2023. Now they're building a factory.
electrek.co electrek.co

Solid state EVs have been touted as a game changer because of high storage and fast charging... let's see how this goes. Why is a Japanese oil company investing? Because they can refine their oil byproduct into solid state battery material.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Japanese Big Oil betting on Toyota EVs:

electrek.co

Big oil is betting big on Toyota to win the solid-state battery race

Toyota has been working on a solid-state program with Japanese refining oil giant Idemitsu Kosan since 2023. Now they're building a factory.
electrek.co electrek.co

Solid state EVs have been touted as a game changer because of high storage and fast charging... let's see how this goes. Why is a Japanese oil company investing? Because they can refine their oil byproduct into solid state battery material.
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Honestly, can’t you find any better sourcing than the same old industry, hack, Electrec? I try to quote numerous sources when making a point. Just good old greenwashing, all energy companies do it…nothing more😂😂👎🏽😡🦄🌈
www.un.org

Greenwashing – the deceptive tactics behind environmental claims | United Nations

Greenwashing presents a significant obstacle to tackling climate change. By misleading the public to believe that a company or other entity is doing more to protect the environment than it is, greenwashing promotes false solutions to the climate crisis that distract from and delay concrete and...
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Most costly virtue signal in human history….what a mess, totally avoidable…🤦🏽‍♂️🤬👎🏽🦄🌈

Are EVs The Biggest Boondoggle In Human History?​

When Stellantis last week announced it was writing down $26 billion, the CEO of the car company that now owns Chrysler, Antonio Filosa, said it was “part of a decisive process we started in 2025 to once again make our customers and their preferences our guiding star.”

Which begs the question: What was Stellantis’ guiding star before if not its own customers?

For that matter, who or what has been guiding General Motors (which announced a $7.6 billion writedown last month), Ford ($19.5 billion), and other automakers that’ve written down a total of $140 billion in just the past three years?

Anyone who has followed the auto industry over the past decade knows the answer. All of these losses are the result of automakers chasing the phantom known as “zero emission” cars.

There is some welcome news here. What the experience with the EV debacle shows is that consumers are still in the driver’s seat – no pun intended.

No rmatter how much environmentalists shrieked, no matter how much regulators bullied, no matter how much money politicians threw at EVs, they couldn’t overcome the will of car buyers, who want the kind of affordable, reliable transportation that gas-powered cars provide.

all the politicians, industry “experts,” regulators, environmentalists, and everyone else who had a hand in selling EV snake oil should be held to account for these costs.

That’s especially true of automakers who, rather than standing up for their consumers, eagerly bent the knee to the Climate Industrial Complex.
issuesinsights.com

Are EVs The Biggest Boondoggle In Human History?

Hundreds of billions have been wasted chasing the “zero emission” phantom.
issuesinsights.com issuesinsights.com
 
So unlike somebody, I can be objective and look at both sides of a topic (and so can Electrek):

electrek.co

Europe surges, US stumbles, China cools: EV sales dip in 2026

Global EV sales fell 3% in January 2026 as China cooled and US incentives vanished, while Europe posted strong growth.
electrek.co electrek.co

I still don't understand how EVs are politicized... technology is an advancement for all, was there a red/blue line against the Internet or smart phones? There even seems to be some type of political dissonance over the topic of AI which I find very funny.

I think most anti-EV people just have a bad case of range anxiety. :)
 
The only reason it is political is politicians are using our money to push an agenda. It’s adding an unneeded and unwanted inefficiency….I agree, let the markets decide on all the tech and save the world crap…don’t waste my tax dollars On it..let it prove itself organically👍🏽🇺🇸
 
And let's be honest, reversal of the EPA rulings isn't going to magically make ICE cars cost less. I think it was just an excuse for ICE makers to raise prices. What they are going to end up doing now is keep prices high saying that to switch out of their fuel/pollution savings build models cost more money too.

It's all a shell game if you ask me, ICE, EV, hybrid... prices are going to be what the makers set them at.

Here is an example from the EV side, now that the Fed EV credit is gone, all these EV makers are throwing in $5-10k discounts... citing lower manufacturing costs.

And the psychology is really funny... these OEM discounts are higher and easier to get than the Fed credits and several EVs cost less today than they did when the credits were active but less people are willing to buy because it's not Fed cheese they are getting? Weird.
 
No, it wont make ICE directly cheaper but it will make them cheaper to operate. I can not emphasize enough that the unwinding of the endangerment finding is one of the largest de-regulations of the government and economy. It will have far reaching influences for not just the auto industry but te economy as a whole. Get Government out of the way and growth will follow.👍🏽😂😂🇺🇸
 
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