ICE or EV?

[Liar Loan]

Coal powered transportation.

 

[qwerty]

My car is 5.5 years old. I have the extended warranty for another 1.5 years so will keep it until then. I’m waiting to see what the 2027 X5 looks like, not a fan of the new X3 so if the new X5 looks like the new X3 I’ll have to reconsider getting something else. Maybe it will grow on me. I wasn’t a fan of the new 2024 design and it did grow on me. The 2026 Palisade looks nice but probably drives like shit compared to an X5. I guess I could always get a 2026 X5 to hold me over to the next redesign.

I know what I will never get - an electric car!!!

 

[B2FiNiTY]

2024+ Cayenne S > X5 etc

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I know what I will never get - an electric car!!!

Did you also say that about ARMs?

 

[qwerty]

Did you also say that about ARMs?

I did

I did get one temporarily and ultimately landed on 1.99% 15 year. So it was a win win for me

 

[qwerty]

2024+ Cayenne S > X5 etc

I have not driven a cayenne. Although I believe repairs and maintenenace will be even more expensive than a BMW.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Shouldn't you be in minivan years? Those are all ICE (most going hybrid).

 

[morekaos]

Reality check that CEO’s have been forced to understand…Business 101…sell and produce things people want and you will thrive…Ice Ice baby!..(Oh and Drill baby Drill!!!)

GM expands production of gas-powered SUV, trucks in Michigan

· General Motors said it will move production of the Cadillac Escalade to an assembly plant in Michigan.

· The automaker will also expand manufacturing of the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra light duty pickups at Orion Assembly.

· The move builds on GM’s plans to invest $4 billion in U.S. facilities, which the automaker announced in June.

GM expands production of gas-powered SUV, trucks in Michigan

 

[Hugo Township]

Shouldn't you be in minivan years? Those are all ICE (most going hybrid).

I'm still holding out for a nicer version of the ID Buzz and/or the actual existence of a Lucid Gravity

 

[morekaos]

ICE will continue to be the choice, this was obvious from the start…produce and sell what the people want…not what the government wishes they want…ECON 101 and common sense prevails…

Struggling Detroit Big Three automaker forced to bring back gas-guzzling cars after huge sales slump

A classic Detroit brand is going to make some big changes across America.

Stellantis — the company running iconic American car brands Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge, and Ram — shocked investors, admitting it lost $2.68 billion in the first half of 2025.

That extends a streak of sales bungles. Last year, the company reported a 70 percent plummet in profits.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmon...ram-forced-gas-cars-return-sales-decline.html

 

[qwerty]

ICE will continue to be the choice, this was obvious from the start…produce and sell what the people want…not what the government wishes they want…ECON 101 and common sense prevails…

Struggling Detroit Big Three automaker forced to bring back gas-guzzling cars after huge sales slump

A classic Detroit brand is going to make some big changes across America.

Stellantis — the company running iconic American car brands Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge, and Ram — shocked investors, admitting it lost $2.68 billion in the first half of 2025.

That extends a streak of sales bungles. Last year, the company reported a 70 percent plummet in profits.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmon...ram-forced-gas-cars-return-sales-decline.html

Not sure this is ICE vs EV as much as Chrysler/Jeep/Ram putting out shitty products. Dodge and Ram are just trucks and muscle cars, which I think never really became EVs. The grand Cherokee was the only good looking car they had and they changed the design for the worse.

 

[morekaos]

The concentration on the EV squirrel took their eye off the profitable ICE segment. Now that they have learned a painful lesson it’s back to their knitting…losses have a way of creating clarity.

 

[morekaos]

So now even cheap, crappy Chinese EV’s can’t get in….doomed!!!

Matson Suspends Shipping EVs Citing Hazards of Lithium-ion Batteries​

Matson surprised customers this week with an announcement that, effective immediately, it would suspend transporting battery-powered electric or plug-in hybrid electric vehicles due to the hazardous material classification of their lithium-ion batteries. The ability to ship cars between the mainland of the United States, Hawaii, Guam, and Alaska was an important service both for individuals and car dealers.

Matson Suspends Shipping EVs Citing Hazards of Lithium-ion Batteries

Matson surprised customers this week with an announcement that, effective immediately, it would suspend transporting battery-powered electric or plug...

maritime-executive.com

 

[zovall]

So now even cheap, crappy Chinese EV’s can’t get in….doomed!!!

Matson Suspends Shipping EVs Citing Hazards of Lithium-ion Batteries​

Matson surprised customers this week with an announcement that, effective immediately, it would suspend transporting battery-powered electric or plug-in hybrid electric vehicles due to the hazardous material classification of their lithium-ion batteries. The ability to ship cars between the mainland of the United States, Hawaii, Guam, and Alaska was an important service both for individuals and car dealers.

Matson Suspends Shipping EVs Citing Hazards of Lithium-ion Batteries

Matson surprised customers this week with an announcement that, effective immediately, it would suspend transporting battery-powered electric or plug...

maritime-executive.com

I wonder if that is actually what is the motivation.. to make it hard for Chinese auto makers to export

 

[OCtoSV]

I wonder if that is actually what is the motivation.. to make it hard for Chinese auto makers to export

Absolutely - which helps Tesla, as Trump deep down knows he owes Elon.

Just finished another FSD cruise up 5 as a super commuter - actually arrive more refreshed than when I fly