Govt. to REQUIRE adults to carry Health care insurance

<blockquote>Should mortality rates be dictated by income?</blockquote>


The Poor ? Mortality ? Those are facts munipulated by the Liberal Media. LOL.



The poor just show up to the Emergency Room when they are on deaths door.

That creates the implosion of decent care in all the inner cities when the Emergency rooms reach saturation.

Look at South Los Angeles.



"As Closed King-Harbor was long a major hospital for the city's sickest and poorest residents, the increase in uninsured and under-insured patients has put major stress on the financial health of relieving institutions. With the closure of the hospital, South Los Angeles has one hospital bed per 1,000 residents, compared with a national average of three beds per 1,000 residents".



The poor dont matter. But when they all vote it sure screws up the Conservative Agenda.
 
<blockquote>Should mortality rates be dictated by income? </blockquote>


Are you suggesting that if we have universal health care as it is proposed now that mortality rates will no longer be dictated by income?



BLT likes to just throw stuff out to see if it sticks and now he is on to South LA so here is a little statistic about South LA.



<blockquote>Property and violent crime rates The rates of property crimes are similar in both South LA and LA County, 27% and 26.3%, respectively; however, violent crime in South LA is over twice the county rate, at 14.7% and 6.3% per thousand. </blockquote>


So how will universal health care solve the violent crime rate which sends people to the hospital.



The other issue you have with the "poor" if you will is they are overwhelmingly under educated. Lets go back to BLT's South LA.



<blockquote>Poverty in South Los Angeles is 30%, the same as in 1993, and that rate is twice what it is for Los Angeles County,

Education Forty three percent of South LA residents lack a high school diploma compared to 25% of residents in the County. Low educational attainment leads to lower job skills and fewer employment opportunities. Charter schools are over represented in South LA. Of 62 schools in LA County, 16 are located in South LA and represent 23% of all charter school elementary students.

Employment Low educational attainment and a lack of nearby job opportunities have created a situation of persistent poverty for residents. </blockquote>


Do you think that these poor uneducated people have healthy diets, live in healthy environments and take care of themselves like people in Irvine?



<strong>Unless you can solve ALL of the problems the poor face income will Always play a factor in mortality rate. Universal Healthcare or not.</strong>



Maybe we should move the poor to nice neighborhoods and force them to stay in school and not be poor anymore so they can live longer.
 
[quote author="bltserv" date=1259193660]



Some form of Nationalized Health care is what the American People deserve. </blockquote>


Yes. And the American People will get EXACTLY what they deserve, which in this case means they will get much worse health care and loss of liberty. Thanks for making Ben right.
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1259224502][quote author="bltserv" date=1259193660]



Some form of Nationalized Health care is what the American People deserve. </blockquote>


Yes. And the American People will get EXACTLY what they deserve, which in this case means they will get much worse health care and loss of liberty. Thanks for making Ben right.</blockquote>


And the rest of the Planet is completly wrong too. Now remember we need to be able to compete with these other countries.

All of Europe, the British Commonwealth, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey. You name it. All have some form of Nationalized Care.



We will stay with North Korea, Undeveloped Africa, and few other podunk rat holes as the only country on the planet that cant take care of its own

people. Yet spend a Trillion sticking our nose in anothers countries business.



We da Man.
 
[quote author="bltserv" date=1259233162][quote author="awgee" date=1259224502][quote author="bltserv" date=1259193660]



Some form of Nationalized Health care is what the American People deserve. </blockquote>


Yes. And the American People will get EXACTLY what they deserve, which in this case means they will get much worse health care and loss of liberty. Thanks for making Ben right.</blockquote>


And the rest of the Planet is completly wrong too. Now remember we need to be able to compete with these other countries.

All of Europe, the British Commonwealth, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey. You name it. All have some form of Nationalized Care.



We will stay with North Korea, Undeveloped Africa, and few other podunk rat holes as the only country on the planet that cant take care of its own

people. Yet spend a Trillion sticking our nose in anothers countries business.



We da Man.</blockquote>Government run health care is not taking care of ones own. It is quite the opposite. It is, as all Socialism is, the proponent's lie. Proponents of government run health care, care nothing for the people they purport to serve, but rather they care that they do not have to pay any more than anyone else. If the proponents of health care for all really wanted health care for all, they would provide it. Never in my life have I seen a proponent of Socialism reach into his/her pocket to provide for the injustice they loudly proclaim, but they are always willing to take from someone else.







The worlds ills and injustices will only be solved by the effort and caring of people, not the tyranny of mob rule.
 
[quote author="trrenter" date=1259207003]<strong>Unless you can solve ALL of the problems the poor face income will Always play a factor in mortality rate. Universal Healthcare or not.</strong></blockquote>


I was posing the ethical dilemma that a free market approach to health care poses. By not having access to affordable health care, no matter what life style choices are made, the mortality rate of poorer people will be directly related to their income.
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1259233897]The worlds ills and injustices will only be solved by the effort and caring of people, not the tyranny of mob rule.</blockquote>


Sure. That worked out real well for deregulating banks.
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1259242040][quote author="trrenter" date=1259207003]<strong>Unless you can solve ALL of the problems the poor face income will Always play a factor in mortality rate. Universal Healthcare or not.</strong></blockquote>


I was posing the ethical dilemma that a free market approach to health care poses. By not having access to affordable health care, no matter what life style choices are made, the mortality rate of poorer people will be directly related to their income.</blockquote>


The ethical dilemma then would be should poor people not have access to ALL of the benefits that a rich person has that play a factor in mortality rate? Why should we mandate just health care? Are you saying that it is ok for poor people to have a higher mortatlity rate as long as they are insured by the goverment?
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1259247868][quote author="awgee" date=1259233897]The worlds ills and injustices will only be solved by the effort and caring of people, not the tyranny of mob rule.</blockquote>


Sure. That worked out real well for deregulating banks.</blockquote>


The banks were never deregulated.
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1259070167][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1259068891][quote author="Nude" date=1259067699][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1259065263]The whole premise is retarded.



Required to carry health care insurance? I swear, it's like being required to breathe if you want to live!</blockquote>


Except that it's not. Not carrying insurance won't kill you. The human civilization as a whole has managed to go on for thousands of years without health insurance. The only thing health insurance does is protect you from financial ruin if you get sick with something more serious than fluids and rest can cure. </blockquote>


So, as long as I'm willing to be broke, irresponsible, and not pay my obligations I'm free to show up at the emergency room and mooch off the system with impunity. Got it.</blockquote>


As opposed to showing up at my bank and just taking what you need from my account, hmm? Well, I guess is it easier when you have the IRS to just take it, but that doesn't change the fact that you are taking my money to pay for your meds, your doc visit, and your hospital visit.</blockquote>


How is he taking money out of your bank account? So everyone is required to have health insurance, and if you already got it, then goody goody for you. At least now No_Vas will have the right to get it. AND he will pay for it. So WTH is your problem with that?
 
[quote author="gypsyuma" date=1259480565][quote author="Nude" date=1259070167][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1259068891][quote author="Nude" date=1259067699][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1259065263]The whole premise is retarded.



Required to carry health care insurance? I swear, it's like being required to breathe if you want to live!</blockquote>


Except that it's not. Not carrying insurance won't kill you. The human civilization as a whole has managed to go on for thousands of years without health insurance. The only thing health insurance does is protect you from financial ruin if you get sick with something more serious than fluids and rest can cure. </blockquote>


So, as long as I'm willing to be broke, irresponsible, and not pay my obligations I'm free to show up at the emergency room and mooch off the system with impunity. Got it.</blockquote>


As opposed to showing up at my bank and just taking what you need from my account, hmm? Well, I guess is it easier when you have the IRS to just take it, but that doesn't change the fact that you are taking my money to pay for your meds, your doc visit, and your hospital visit.</blockquote>


How is he taking money out of your bank account? So everyone is required to have health insurance, and if you already got it, then goody goody for you. At least now No_Vas will have the right to get it. AND he will pay for it. So WTH is your problem with that?</blockquote>


Are you dense? Go back and read this thread through and when you get to the part where the government requires you to buy insurance, even if all you can get is a public option, think about who pays for that public option. It's not just no_vas through his premiums, it's every taxpayer who has to cover the shortfall between premiums and costs. And there will be a shortfall. no_vas has spent much time complaining about the cost of COBRA, he's also made it plain that he would prefer a MediCare solution to just being able to buy private insurance, both of which you would know if you bothered to read any of the Health Care threads to gain the context in which our exchange was made.



Your tone is really starting to grate. If you can't discuss the topic without making personal comments, then maybe you need to stick to less controversial topics. If you can't respond to other people's opinions without attacking the people making them, you need to rethink your reply. If you are angry with me, take it to PM or get over it, but your hostility is getting old.
 
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