God?

[irvinehomeowner]

So that's why I'm a 99%er.

Define 99%er.

Someone who is not a 1%er.

I know you are kind of joking, but if you live and own a home in Irvine, you are for sure not a 99%er.

Not really. I forgot the number but to be in the 1% in the US you have to make much more than what we do.

I don't live in a $4m Irvine home... nor do I want to.

 

[eyephone]

Take it easy and Relax. 

 

[eyephone]

Are you an atheist?

I?m not surprised.

 

[Mety]

if we are all god's children, then isn't god rewarding those that provide him with maxroi in carrying on his faith?

Nope because wealth is not a measurement of faith.

I think Kings is asking are we not supposed to work hard to bring MAXROI on God's given money. That is correct in a sense. But making MAXROI of money itself is not really something God seeks for. God wants us to use money to love and help others rather than making money for our own benefits. The talents example (Matthew 25) also shows that those who made double the talents were working hard for the master, not for themselves. The master just ended up giving it all to them as a result. We might say we'll help others once we make MAXROI, but that's not true because ones who really wants to love and help others will do so with or without ROI made.

Wealth or anything is really something God has to allow for you to have. You might work hard, diligently, and honestly which could result in much wealth for you, but God is the one who makes that (or anything as a matter of fact) happen for you whether you are His children or not. That's why He is the almighty, all knowing, all controlling God. Otherwise, what makes Him God, right?

Remember, the wealth is not always a positive blessing God allows. It could also be for His purpose to smash you down hard from the top. Egypt, Babylon, Persian, Greek, and Roman Empire are all examples for that purpose throughout the Bible. The U.S. is currently the wealthy powerful nation in this world which God allowed also. The only way we don't end up like the rest of all the powerful nations is repentance. And the true repentance will lead us to help the poor and needy in the Name of Jesus, the true love.

Right, like most of our current society, worth generally viewed in lockstep with wealth/money.  This is not a Biblical concept.  Wealth is means to an end...not the end itself.  If you use your wealth to help the Kingdom of God, great.  But rather than spending time "maximizing" your ROI, you volunteer or help your church, that is arguably better. 

There is also a fundamental myth (at least for Christians) that you work to maximize your net worth/income.  Monetary wealth is something that God provides...doesn't mean you should be lazy or not work hard but that monetary reward should not be the measurement of faith or your connection with God.  In fact, God says that the richer your are...the more difficult it is for you to have a connection with God. 

Rather, as servants of God we commend ourselves in every way: in great endurance; in troubles, hardships and distresses; 5in beatings, imprisonments and riots; in hard work, sleepless nights and hunger; 6in purity, understanding, patience and kindness; in the Holy Spirit and in sincere love; 7in truthful speech and in the power of God; with weapons of righteousness in the right hand and in the left; 8through glory and dishonor, bad report and good report; genuine, yet regarded as impostors; 9known, yet regarded as unknown; dying, and yet we live on; beaten, and yet not killed; 10sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; poor, yet making many rich; having nothing, and yet possessing everything.

2 Cor. 6:4-9.

Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.

Eph. 4:28.  Note the purpose for working is to share with those in need.

nowhere did i say wealth.  when i said maxroi, i said it in metaphorical terms of preaching the good word of god and expanding the belief in him.

let me rephrase: if god has created us all, then the ones that provide him with the best return on investment in the form of maintaining and spreading his beliefs and receiving christ are rewarded with salvation.  is it not fair to say that god invests a piece of himself in all of us with the eventual transaction, for lack of a better word, that we will provide roi on his original personal capital?

Interesting. I thought since we were on a topic of money, you were referring that. My bad for misunderstanding.

I wouldn't want to think of a way that God invests in us. Though He made us in His image which we are to bring glory to God (which really means reflect His goodness to others), it's not like He is waiting for us to make good returns of His investment. I would say that the most important thing God wants us to do is have faith in Him and abide/remain in Him. For example, when are we most happy of our babies? Is it when they do something new? Saying some new words? Those are all good, but we're probably most happy when they are in our arms sleeping and remaining in us peacefully. We don't really force our kids to bring MAXROI or anything.

God doesn't really need us to do anything to display His glory. He is already the Glorious One. Then why are we even trying to evangelize or preach His words? It's like a natural thing as we're exposed to a good thing. We share in Yelp, Facebook, etc when we find a good eatery or anything. If we have truly received His grace and are surely thankful for Him that He forgave our sins through His Son, Jesus, we WILL spread the good news no matter what. But at the same time, we'll continue to stay in His arms instead of worrying and thinking about bringing MAXROI to our God. If anyone is trying to teach you need to do additional stuff to gain God's favor, then that's probably a false teaching.

 

[Mety]

So that's why I'm a 99%er.

Define 99%er.

Someone who is not a 1%er.

I know you are kind of joking, but if you live and own a home in Irvine, you are for sure not a 99%er.

Not really. I forgot the number but to be in the 1% in the US you have to make much more than what we do.

I don't live in a $4m Irvine home... nor do I want to.

I'm not trying to be all accurate with numbers but trying to stay with the point. That is you're rich in many perspectives of this world, even of this country, and even of this county. You're not excused to say you're poor therefore you have no problem entering the Heaven.

 

[eyephone]

So that's why I'm a 99%er.

Define 99%er.

Someone who is not a 1%er.

I know you are kind of joking, but if you live and own a home in Irvine, you are for sure not a 99%er.

Not really. I forgot the number but to be in the 1% in the US you have to make much more than what we do.

I don't live in a $4m Irvine home... nor do I want to.

I'm not trying to be all accurate with numbers but trying to stay with the point. That is you're rich in many perspectives of this world, even of this country, and even of this county. You're not excused to say you're poor therefore you have no problem entering the Heaven.

Technically a person can be poor if they live in Irvine. (low income apartments)
Also, if they don?t save, spend like no other, house payment too much to handle. [the gain/equity is unrealized aka funny money until they sell]

I?m not passing any judgement.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

So that's why I'm a 99%er.

Define 99%er.

Someone who is not a 1%er.

I know you are kind of joking, but if you live and own a home in Irvine, you are for sure not a 99%er.

Not really. I forgot the number but to be in the 1% in the US you have to make much more than what we do.

I don't live in a $4m Irvine home... nor do I want to.

I'm not trying to be all accurate with numbers but trying to stay with the point. That is you're rich in many perspectives of this world, even of this country, and even of this county. You're not excused to say you're poor therefore you have no problem entering the Heaven.

I think you crossed some posts here.

I was responding to irvinecommuter's post:

In fact, God says that the richer your are...the more difficult it is for you to have a connection with God. 

So I was saying that's why I'm not rich... heh.

And I did not say that not being rich (or being poor) means automatic entry into heaven, not sure how you drew that conclusion.

 

[eyephone]

I was respond to Mety?s post

 

[Mety]

So that's why I'm a 99%er.

Define 99%er.

Someone who is not a 1%er.

I know you are kind of joking, but if you live and own a home in Irvine, you are for sure not a 99%er.

Not really. I forgot the number but to be in the 1% in the US you have to make much more than what we do.

I don't live in a $4m Irvine home... nor do I want to.

I'm not trying to be all accurate with numbers but trying to stay with the point. That is you're rich in many perspectives of this world, even of this country, and even of this county. You're not excused to say you're poor therefore you have no problem entering the Heaven.

I think you crossed some posts here.

I was responding to irvinecommuter's post:

In fact, God says that the richer your are...the more difficult it is for you to have a connection with God. 

So I was saying that's why I'm not rich... heh.

And I did not say that not being rich (or being poor) means automatic entry into heaven, not sure how you drew that conclusion.

Rich or not, you and God know your situation more than I do so I can't say any further. However, if you're a Irvine home (SFR) owner, you're probably wealthier than the majority of the folks in OC or even in this country. So from the perspective of common people, you're rich. If you say your're not, then you're what you say you are.

Being more difficult of having connection with God (as IC puts) or being rich so that you're farther away from God (as The Bible puts) are both hindrance into Heaven. The way you were saying you were 99%er was you're not rich so that you're kinda of safe. Well, if you didn't mean it that way, then I apologize, but that's why I said I knew you were sort of joking. 

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Belly found God?

Seems like you are so firm that I'm YF/BTB. Believe however you want to believe. I gave plenty of answers and evidences that I'm not him. The choice is yours you make.

I don't think Mety is BTB. I only joked that Mety was his wife because Mety kept supporting BTB's posts/position.

BTB was notorious for his risque (to put it mildy) posts, and there has not been any post by Mety that remotely comes close to that.

 

[Mety]

Belly found God?

Seems like you are so firm that I'm YF/BTB. Believe however you want to believe. I gave plenty of answers and evidences that I'm not him. The choice is yours you make.

I don't think Mety is BTB. I only joked that Mety was his wife because Mety kept supporting BTB's posts/position.

BTB was notorious for his risque (to put it mildy) posts, and there has not been any post by Mety that remotely comes close to that.

To be fair, I wasn't really supporting BTB. I only tried to clear any misunderstandings you guys had from him. I do that with others TI members also, but since most of you didn't get BTB most of the time, which resulted me to clarify a lot, it seemed like I was supporting him or some sort. I did agree with him many times, but also didn't fully agree with what he was saying on some topics. However, I do think TI is better with his presence.

 

[eyephone]

So that's why I'm a 99%er.

Define 99%er.

Someone who is not a 1%er.

I know you are kind of joking, but if you live and own a home in Irvine, you are for sure not a 99%er.

Not really. I forgot the number but to be in the 1% in the US you have to make much more than what we do.

I don't live in a $4m Irvine home... nor do I want to.

I'm not trying to be all accurate with numbers but trying to stay with the point. That is you're rich in many perspectives of this world, even of this country, and even of this county. You're not excused to say you're poor therefore you have no problem entering the Heaven.

I think you crossed some posts here.

I was responding to irvinecommuter's post:

In fact, God says that the richer your are...the more difficult it is for you to have a connection with God. 

So I was saying that's why I'm not rich... heh.

And I did not say that not being rich (or being poor) means automatic entry into heaven, not sure how you drew that conclusion.

Rich or not, you and God know your situation more than I do so I can't say any further. However, if you're a Irvine home (SFR) owner, you're probably wealthier than the majority of the folks in OC or even in this country. So from the perspective of common people, you're rich. If you say your're not, then you're what you say you are.

Being more difficult of having connection with God (as IC puts) or being rich so that you're farther away from God (as The Bible puts) are both hindrance into Heaven. The way you were saying you were 99%er was you're not rich so that you're kinda of safe. Well, if you didn't mean it that way, then I apologize, but that's why I said I knew you were sort of joking. 

Not if you live in low housing apartments.

 

[Mety]

So that's why I'm a 99%er.

Define 99%er.

Someone who is not a 1%er.

I know you are kind of joking, but if you live and own a home in Irvine, you are for sure not a 99%er.

Not really. I forgot the number but to be in the 1% in the US you have to make much more than what we do.

I don't live in a $4m Irvine home... nor do I want to.

I'm not trying to be all accurate with numbers but trying to stay with the point. That is you're rich in many perspectives of this world, even of this country, and even of this county. You're not excused to say you're poor therefore you have no problem entering the Heaven.

I think you crossed some posts here.

I was responding to irvinecommuter's post:

In fact, God says that the richer your are...the more difficult it is for you to have a connection with God. 

So I was saying that's why I'm not rich... heh.

And I did not say that not being rich (or being poor) means automatic entry into heaven, not sure how you drew that conclusion.

Rich or not, you and God know your situation more than I do so I can't say any further. However, if you're a Irvine home (SFR) owner, you're probably wealthier than the majority of the folks in OC or even in this country. So from the perspective of common people, you're rich. If you say your're not, then you're what you say you are.

Being more difficult of having connection with God (as IC puts) or being rich so that you're farther away from God (as The Bible puts) are both hindrance into Heaven. The way you were saying you were 99%er was you're not rich so that you're kinda of safe. Well, if you didn't mean it that way, then I apologize, but that's why I said I knew you were sort of joking. 

Not if you live in low housing apartments.

You are correct and I had a friend who lived in a low income housing in Irvine.
But we were talking about IrvineHomeOwner.  ;D

 

[irvinehomeowner]

So that's why I'm a 99%er.

Define 99%er.

Someone who is not a 1%er.

I know you are kind of joking, but if you live and own a home in Irvine, you are for sure not a 99%er.

Not really. I forgot the number but to be in the 1% in the US you have to make much more than what we do.

I don't live in a $4m Irvine home... nor do I want to.

I'm not trying to be all accurate with numbers but trying to stay with the point. That is you're rich in many perspectives of this world, even of this country, and even of this county. You're not excused to say you're poor therefore you have no problem entering the Heaven.

I think you crossed some posts here.

I was responding to irvinecommuter's post:

In fact, God says that the richer your are...the more difficult it is for you to have a connection with God. 

So I was saying that's why I'm not rich... heh.

And I did not say that not being rich (or being poor) means automatic entry into heaven, not sure how you drew that conclusion.

Rich or not, you and God know your situation more than I do so I can't say any further. However, if you're a Irvine home (SFR) owner, you're probably wealthier than the majority of the folks in OC or even in this country. So from the perspective of common people, you're rich. If you say your're not, then you're what you say you are.

Being more difficult of having connection with God (as IC puts) or being rich so that you're farther away from God (as The Bible puts) are both hindrance into Heaven. The way you were saying you were 99%er was you're not rich so that you're kinda of safe. Well, if you didn't mean it that way, then I apologize, but that's why I said I knew you were sort of joking. 

I see ?rich? differently which is what I said many posts ago.

We work many hours a day to afford our home. Just like a family who has to work hard to rent in Irvine or live in a less expensive city.

If one or both of us didn?t have to work, that?s ?rich? to me. And that?s what I mean, if I could work less and do more for others, that would be great (although the work I do I consider beneficial to my company and thus to my fellow employees).

Should I move to a less ?rich? area like where I grew up? Get a different job where I work less? But we always want better for our family than what we had.

And my statement as a 99%er wasn?t meant to be a qualifier of salvation, it was more of a tongue in cheek verification that I?m not all about money (so not worried about MAXROI as I said in an earlier post).

 

[fortune11]

I have nothing of value to add to the ?god? angle of this discussion but on the definition of ?rich ? ?

when your passive income is more than your run rate living expenses , that defines ?rich?  in my view, regardless of what?s wealth level you are at .

This is why you will find seven figure income earners who are always feeling poor whereas someone who makes a lot less , but invests and spends wisely can feel rich and relatively free

 

[panda]

Thanks Mety,

We all have spiritual gifts. For example, you have a really amazing gift of sharing God's love with your words. I could never write like you do. For me, I like express myself through design and that is one of my spiritual gifts. Outside of work: real estate, finance, and business, I enjoy designing for God's Glory. I will upload some of my recent designs for your guys to see. It usually takes me about 30 minutes for each design.

Panda

@Panda,

I didn't know you were making these posters. Great job! Keep designing these. I'm sure your designs are being used for God's glory somehow.

 

[panda]

My family moved the United States from South Korea when I was 4 years old so pretty much English is my native tongue. These are my two designs attempts using Korean Typography. Hope you guys like Panda's K-Designs. Panda is going to teach you guys Korean.

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Matthew 6:6

 

[panda]

This was my first attempt designing with Korean Typography and I must say that Korean Typography is beautiful.

Translation by Panda:

What is the meaning of Love? Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

1 Corinthians 13:4-8

 

[panda]

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For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrows; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Hebrews 4:12

 

[panda]

Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. - John 14:27