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Steven Thomas, President

Quantitative Economics and Decision Sciences, B.A.

Altera Real Estate



As the market marches forward, the distressed active inventory, both foreclosures and short sales, has dropped by 21% since its peak in August of 2008. There have been various explanations for a dip in the number of distressed sales, like legislation that lengthens the amount of time to file a notice of default (when somebody is behind on their mortgage) and ultimately delay foreclosure. The problem with that theory is that the distressed inventory has been steadily dropping for seven months. The distressed inventory has dropped by 1,277 homes, or 21%. On August 7, 2008, the distressed inventory was at 5,950 homes and represented 41% of the 14,348 total active inventory (both distressed and non-distressed listings). Today, the distressed inventory has fallen to 4,673, 40% of the 11,606 total active inventory. One year ago today, the distressed inventory was at 5,221, 548 more that today, the second report in a row with a year over year improvement. However, the distressed inventory is still extremely high. This inventory needs to drop significantly for the real estate market to start to appreciate once again. The rate that it drops is slow because of the number of bad loans in the system combined with a high unemployment. However, in the lower ranges, the rate of depreciation has slowed remarkably, and even bottomed in some areas. This is due primarily to the extremely high demand in the lower ranges, homes priced below $500,000. This range accounts for 49% of the total active inventory, but 73% of demand. There are some cities with expected market times close to two months, technically a seller's market. A lot of this demand has been fueled by the drop in prices and the desire to acquire a bank owned, foreclosed home. Buyers looking for a home below $500,000 need to be prepared for a lot of competition. The average sales to list price ratio for foreclosed homes is 101%, meaning that, on average, the home is selling for above the list price. Short sales DOMINATE the distressed sales market within Orange County and account for 80.7% of all distressed homes. The other 19.4% are foreclosures, the hottest properties in the county. There are currently 905 foreclosures on the market and demand, the number of homes placed into escrow within the last month, is at 882 pending sales. The expected market time for foreclosure is 1.03 months. Foreclosures are so hot, that multiple offers are the norm. The demand is similar to 2005 demand for all homes, CRAZY seller's market. Buyers in today's market expect a discount and expect to be able to take their time in making a decision to write a purchase offer. Most buyers must learn the hard way, after losing a property or two, that these homes generate tremendous buyer competition. The expected market time for short sales has dropped significantly, now at 4.95 months, but this figure is grossly overinflated due to the nature of short sales. Short sales are where a homeowner attempts to sell their home, owing more than their home is worth. Even though most short sales have an agreed upon purchase offer between a buyer and the seller, most are continually marketed as an active listing rather than as a pending sale because of the belief by many that they do not have an official acceptance until the lender approves the sale at a discount in what is owed. In the trenches, agents are reporting that vast majority of short sales that are a part of the active inventory have offers that are already submitted to the lender(s). Another giant drawback to short sales is that the "lender approval" process can take weeks to months to obtain. Often, by the time a lender does approve of a short sale offer, the buyer has already moved onto another home. The bottom line, there may be a lot of distressed homes on the market, but as a buyer, expect a lot of competition.



So how do the numbers look? In the past two weeks, demand, the number of new pending sales within the prior month, increased by 46 pending sales to 2,670. Last year at this time there were 587 fewer pending sales, totaling 2,083. Two years ago there were 2,195 pending sales, 475 fewer than today. All of the recent stimulus aimed specifically at real estate should begin to trickle down into the Orange County real estate scene in the form of increased demand within the next couple of weeks. In the trenches, agents are already reporting increased buyer interest, increased open house activity and more buyers on the verge of writing after fence sitting for quite some time. All of the ingredients for an increase are there: historically low interest rates, government incentives to purchase now, and a lot of government intervention aimed at placing a sound bottom underneath the housing market. Prices, especially in the upper ranges, may continue to fall; however, what most buyers fail to consider is that these historically low interest rates will not be around forever. Instead, with all of the money that the federal government is pumping into our economy, the U.S. economy will most certainly endure a major increase in inflation down the road. The Federal Reserve responds to an increase in inflation with an increase in interest rates. In 1990, interest rates were thought to be at a great level when they broke just below 10%. At 5%, today's approximate interest rate, the payment for a $500,000 loan is $2,684. At 7%, the payment is $3,327, an increase of $643 per month. At 10%, the payment would be $4,388, a difference of $1,704. Even if homes were to fall an additional 10%, a 7% loan at $450,000 would be $2,994, still $310 a month more than a 5% loan at $500,000. At 10% it would be $1,265 more per month. The beauty of homeownership in Orange County is it is an incredible long term investment. So, if you are a buyer and can live in your home for more than just a few years, ultimately it makes sense to buy as soon as you isolate the home that best fits your family's criteria and budget. It may not pay to wait because after the economy turns around, inflation will increase interest rates. Almost all buyers fail to factor the negative effects of increasing interest rates, which can be profound.
 
Okay... I know I am supposed to be nice to newbies, but you can't be serious with Steve "Failed Economist" Thomas' crap. He has been calling the bottom since 2006.



<blockquote>On August 7, 2008, the distressed inventory was at 5,950 homes and represented 41% of the 14,348 total active inventory (both distressed and non-distressed listings). Today, the distressed inventory has fallen to 4,673, 40% of the 11,606 total active inventory.</blockquote>


See... case in point. Distressed properties are essentially unchanged at 40%.



Does anyone know where he got his degree from? Someone needs to call the school, so they can take his degree back. He is an embarrassment to economics.
 
bla bla bla.... what... is this Realtor propaganda! bla bla bla.. what.. inflation scare? bla bla bla... how come realtors ALWAYS ( I mean always) say NOW is the time to buy?
 
Hooray! Everything is fixed. Its over.



I just want to congratulate everyone and let yall know I knew USA would come through! America, fu&* yah! Much love.



Its over bring out the champagne. Im not being sarcastic. Im not even just talking about op, but in general everythings back to normal. we have found a way to continue credit expansion, and thats all that matters. Keynes is man of the millennium. cheers to you all
 
At the risk of being a "traitor", I am seeing quite a bit of Mr. Thomas' data to be accurate. I agree with some of the conclusions he reaches from that data, and disagree with some.





Also, I think Mr. Thomas leaves out any data which does not suit the subject he cares to address even though it may be highly relevant to the subject, in this the under $500,000 market.







I am not sure, but it is a guess that the majority of the deals that come through Mr. Thomas' office are over $500,000 because IIRC, his office is in South OC. Anybody, please feel free to correct me on this. If indeed the majority of Mr. Thomas' biz is in the higher end market, or even a significant portion of his biz is in the higher end market, it is disingenuous, misleading, and deceitful to concentrate his subject on the under $500,000 market and not include the over $500,000 market. By leaving out the higher end market stats in his data and soliloquy, he is implying that the lower end market is applicable to the entire market.







On to my nitpicking with his conclusions:







[quote author="rocket1356" date=1237984246] However, in the lower ranges, the rate of depreciation has slowed remarkably, and even bottomed in some areas.

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The rate of depreciation in the under $400,000 market has slowed, but it is ludicrous for Steve Thomas to call the bottom as he has no credibility in calling the top and he is excluding some very important data.







[quote author="rocket1356" date=1237984246]

Buyers looking for a home below $500,000 need to be prepared for a lot of competition.

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Typical realtor sales drivel. Buyers do not <strong>NEED</strong> to do anything. Buyers can choose any number of options in how they approach the market and it is arrogant in the extreme to tell someone you have never met or know anything about what they <strong>NEED</strong> to do. Buyers can choose to be waiters.







[quote author="rocket1356" date=1237984246]

Buyers in today's market expect a discount and expect to be able to take their time in making a decision to write a purchase offer. Most buyers must learn the hard way, after losing a property or two, that these homes generate tremendous buyer competition.

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How can a buyer, actually a bidder, lose a property or two? How can you lose something that you never had? If you frame an issue in your desired context, you cab make a sow's ear sound like a silk purse. Mr. Thomas fails to mention that the worst time to purchase any asset is when others are participating in a bidding war. This is just more self-serving realtor scare tactics. Shame on you Mr. Thomas. What is the now famous Buffett quote? And on learning the hard way, better to start low and get a good deal then start high and pay too much. Or, better to learn that bidding wars are stupid for buyers.







[quote author="rocket1356" date=1237984246]

All of the recent stimulus aimed specifically at real estate should begin to trickle down into the Orange County real estate scene in the form of increased demand within the next couple of weeks.

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So far, the stimulus has not done squat, and there is no reason to think it will do any better. By Steve Thomas's own data and admission, the increase in sales and demand is directly and indisputably attributable to foreclosures and other distressed sales. As I have said all along, the best thing for the stabilization of the housing market is the expedition of foreclosures and price decreases to meet affordability. So called "stimulus" will only artificially keep prices higher and slow the stabilization process.







[quote author="rocket1356" date=1237984246]

In the trenches, agents are already reporting increased buyer interest, increased open house activity and more buyers on the verge of writing after fence sitting for quite some time.

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How many times have you heard this in the last two years? Statements like this destroy Thomas' credibility.







[quote author="rocket1356" date=1237984246]

All of the ingredients for an increase are there: historically low interest rates, government incentives to purchase now, and a lot of government intervention aimed at placing a sound bottom underneath the housing market.

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Any bottom placed by government intervention and not by market forces is the farthest from sound and doomed to structural failure.







[quote author="rocket1356" date=1237984246]

Prices, especially in the upper ranges, may continue to fall;

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May fall? May? Come on Thomas. What do your stats say. These are the stats that you so conveniently left out.







[quote author="rocket1356" date=1237984246]

what most buyers fail to consider is that these historically low interest rates will not be around forever. Instead, with all of the money that the federal government is pumping into our economy, the U.S. economy will most certainly endure a major increase in inflation down the road.

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Agreed, and important.







[quote author="rocket1356" date=1237984246]

The Federal Reserve responds to an increase in inflation with an increase in interest rates.

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Usually this is true, but do not count on it. If the economy is not chugging, and there is no reason to think that it will be, the Fed will be in no position to raise the rates it has influence over. And the Fed does not control rates. The market does. A few days ago, the Fed announced it would buy the long bond. Yields tanked from 3% to 2.5% in minutes. Today the Fed is starting to actually buy those 30 yr notes, and yields are back to 2.75%. Hmm-m-m-m-m. The market will do what it wants.







[quote author="rocket1356" date=1237984246]In 1990, interest rates were thought to be at a great level when they broke just below 10%. At 5%, today's approximate interest rate, the payment for a $500,000 loan is $2,684. At 7%, the payment is $3,327, an increase of $643 per month. At 10%, the payment would be $4,388, a difference of $1,704. Even if homes were to fall an additional 10%, a 7% loan at $450,000 would be $2,994, still $310 a month more than a 5% loan at $500,000. At 10% it would be $1,265 more per month. The beauty of homeownership in Orange County is it is an incredible long term investment. So, if you are a buyer and can live in your home for more than just a few years, ultimately it makes sense to buy as soon as you isolate the home that best fits your family's criteria and budget.

</blockquote>
More self serving sales hooey. Thomas does not know what makes sense for you. Is he buying? Is he buying?



It may be a decade or two before a home bought today shows any appreciation. And more importantly, you may be able to buy a home for much less in a couple of years.







[quote author="rocket1356" date=1237984246]

It may not pay to wait because after the economy turns around, inflation will increase interest rates. Almost all buyers fail to factor the negative effects of increasing interest rates, which can be profound.</blockquote>
Agreed. But again, Thomas fails to include all the info. You can refinance your interest rate. You can not refinance your principal, although that may not be true right now. It may be best for many to wait until interest rates are very high, and then buy.





Remember those wonderful charts showing how mortgages were going to reset over the next few years? Why do I think Mr. Thomas has seen them? They showed how there would be a lull in the resets and then they would pick up with a vengence in about a year. And the majority of future resets would be for loans to Alt-A and prime borrowers. And what is happening to the high end market right now? Thomas has the data. Why is he so conveniently leaving it out?







Steve Thomas seems to do a good job of collecting data, and maybe even analyzing that data.





But many of his conclusions are self serving, delusional, and are obviously formed before the data has even been collected.







Is Steve Thomas buying?
 
Steve, what happens to affordability/home prices when interest rates double?



Real estate investors face a conundrum currently - let's say I have $1M in cash as a hypothetical.



Fed has agreed to purchase treasuries, RE prices are declining, some places have reached rental parity, rents will decrease, interest rates will increase.



Inflation will widdle away at that $1M cash. Prices of materials will rise, affecting building prices long term. A current fixed mortgage payment will sting much less years from now.



Inflation shrinks both debt and savings. Better to be leveraged with fixed rate debt and reserves in something that keeps pace with inflation than to have cash in the bank. I think this is a conservative way of looking at it. Plus, you'd be able pay everything off in full should a hyperinflation scenario arise. Government will either raise interest rates in a major way or significantly devalue the dollar - it has no other choices.



Also, if house prices bottom at $500K in Hypotheticalville (Hear the Realtors and property owners cheer!)but everything inside the house costs double, nominal value no longer serves a purpose.



Steve confuses everyone, including himself, with all the housing stats. Anytime a salesman or the government starts throwing around a bunch of numbers, beware. We still have quite a ways to go for a "real" bottom (pricing in gold may be a better indicator until it reaches "mania" status). I can't imagine a bottom until the vast majority of the foreclosure inventory has been absorbed.



Then again, maybe we are perfectly happy paying too much for real estate here in SoCal. How long can perception outweigh economics?
 
<span style="font-size: 13px;">BS ALERT this guy is lost in a sea of myopic delusion. Please stop taking the brown acid.</span>



California had the highest total with 80,775 foreclosure filings in February, a 51 percent increase from a year earlier. Auction sale notices almost tripled to 18,831. We are above par for the worst year of foreclosures ever and with the another trillion dollars of Alt-A, Option Arm reseting in the next 3 years you sir have not done your homework and need to stand in the corner as you embarrass us people who have a Real Estate License...





http://housing-kaboom.blogspot.com/2009/03/700k.html



Read the Bloomberg report and their is a lot of other juicy links to give the real skinny on what is happening.
 
Also he has only one post and it sounds like an infomercial that no one wants read. Please be a contributer instead of a NAR shill.
 
Who are you talking to on your last post? I got an email from a broker about the OC real estate outlook. I was laughing at it after I read it. Just want to share some idiot opinion about the market.
 
Orange County Housing Report: Demand Suddenly Surges



April 2, 2009



Steven Thomas, President

Quantitative Economics and Decision Sciences, B.A.

Altera Real Estate



Coinciding with a drop in interest rates and a Wall Street rebound, demand for Orange County housing increased by 22% in just two weeks. Demand, the number of new pending sales over the past month, increased from 2,670 pending sales two weeks ago to 3,247 today, a 577 home increase. Last year?s high of 3,060 pending sales was reached on June 12. Orange County demand has not reached this level since September 2005, the beginning of the current downturn. Last year there were 962 fewer pending sales, totaling 2,285, and two years ago there were 1,114 fewer, totaling 2,133. The active listing inventory shed 580 homes in the past two week, a 5% decrease, totaling 11,026. The active listing inventory has not seen these lower levels since the beginning of April 2006. Last year there were 15,474 homes on the market, 4,448 additional homes compared to today. Two years ago there were 14,010 homes on the market, 2,894 additional homes. The expected market time dropped from 4.35 months two weeks ago to 3.4 months today. The expected market time last year was at 6.77 months, and two years ago it was at 6.57 months. This is the lowest expected market time since March 2006. The distressed homes inventory, foreclosures and short sales, dramatically changed over the past two weeks, dropping by 581 homes to 4,092. The height of the distressed inventory, 5,950, was achieved on August 7, 2008. There are 1,858 fewer distressed homes on the market compared to the height, a 31% drop. The distressed inventory now represents 37% of the current active inventory, dropping from 40% two weeks ago. Foreclosures now have an expected market time of 0.77 months, or three weeks. There are 170 fewer foreclosures on the market, totaling 731. Demand for foreclosures is at 953 pending sales. The foreclosure market is extremely hot. Buyers can expect to compete with multiple offers and sales prices above their list prices. The short sale inventory shed 391 homes in the past two weeks to 3,379 homes. The short sale inventory height, 4,701, was reached on August 7, 2008, coinciding with the total distressed inventory height. There are 1,322 fewer short sales on the market today. Demand for short sales increased by 205 pending sales, totaling 967. Since short sales are subject to lenders approval and are often not changed to pending status until lender approval is received, this may be a sign that lenders are gearing up to curb foreclosures through the accommodation of short sales. Total Orange County pending sales continues to reach record heights week after week. I started tracking the statistic back in September of 2006. After increasing by 355 homes over the past two weeks, the total pending count has reached 4,905 pending sales. Last year at this time, total pending sales totaled 2,852, 1,698 fewer than today. Two years ago it was at 3,047, 1,858 fewer.



Word within the trenches is that there is tremendous activity out there in the lower ranges and with distressed properties. Many buyers first enter the market with anticipation that they are going to somehow be able to obtain a property for tens of thousands less than the asking price. They are quickly learning that there is a lot of competition in the lower ranges and all distressed homes. There just is not enough news highlighting this aspect of the real estate market. The activity in the lower ranges has reached such a high level, that it is starting to reflect in the median sales price for Orange County, which posted its first month over month increase, from January to February 2009, in eight months. Lower interest rates, a lot of stimulus, the massive return of the first time home buyer, the return of investors, have all equated to a sharp uptick in the current Orange County real estate market.



There is a major difference between the lower and upper ranges. For all home below $750,000, the expected market time has been dropped considerably. The best range in Orange County is homes between $250,000 and $500,000, with an expected market time of 2.09 months. 60% of the inventory within that range is either a short sale or foreclosure. The expected market time for homes below $250,000 is 2.46 months. For homes between $500,000 and $750,000, the expected market time is 3.46 months. It shoots up to a 6.4 month expected market time for homes between $750,000 and $1 million. From there, the expected market time blossoms to a stagnant market. The expected market time ranges from 13.11 month, homes between $1 million and $1.5 million, and 43.44 months, homes above $4 million. What this helps illustrate is that the government?s focus on freeing up conventional financing, loans up to $729,750, is working within the real estate market. For jumbo financing, where loans are much more difficult to obtain and are at a higher rate, especially above $1 million, demand has just come to a crawl. With no focus from the government on higher ranges, it will not be until a bottom is reached in the lower ranges, which some are predicting during the second half of 2009, and confidence is restored in the financial markets, that decent demand will return to the upper ranges.



We just need stimulus and cheap money, forever.
 
[quote author="matt138" date=1239076618]Orange County Housing Report: Demand Suddenly Surges



April 2, 2009



Steven Thomas, President

Quantitative Economics and Decision Sciences, B.A.

Altera Real Estate



Coinciding with a drop in interest rates and a Wall Street rebound, demand for Orange County housing increased by 22% in just two weeks. Demand, the number of new pending sales over the past month, increased from 2,670 pending sales two weeks ago to 3,247 today, a 577 home increase. Last year?s high of 3,060 pending sales was reached on June 12. Orange County demand has not reached this level since September 2005, the beginning of the current downturn. Last year there were 962 fewer pending sales, totaling 2,285, and two years ago there were 1,114 fewer, totaling 2,133. The active listing inventory shed 580 homes in the past two week, a 5% decrease, totaling 11,026. The active listing inventory has not seen these lower levels since the beginning of April 2006. Last year there were 15,474 homes on the market, 4,448 additional homes compared to today. Two years ago there were 14,010 homes on the market, 2,894 additional homes. The expected market time dropped from 4.35 months two weeks ago to 3.4 months today. The expected market time last year was at 6.77 months, and two years ago it was at 6.57 months. This is the lowest expected market time since March 2006. The distressed homes inventory, foreclosures and short sales, dramatically changed over the past two weeks, dropping by 581 homes to 4,092. The height of the distressed inventory, 5,950, was achieved on August 7, 2008. There are 1,858 fewer distressed homes on the market compared to the height, a 31% drop. The distressed inventory now represents 37% of the current active inventory, dropping from 40% two weeks ago. Foreclosures now have an expected market time of 0.77 months, or three weeks. There are 170 fewer foreclosures on the market, totaling 731. Demand for foreclosures is at 953 pending sales. The foreclosure market is extremely hot. Buyers can expect to compete with multiple offers and sales prices above their list prices. The short sale inventory shed 391 homes in the past two weeks to 3,379 homes. The short sale inventory height, 4,701, was reached on August 7, 2008, coinciding with the total distressed inventory height. There are 1,322 fewer short sales on the market today. Demand for short sales increased by 205 pending sales, totaling 967. Since short sales are subject to lenders approval and are often not changed to pending status until lender approval is received, this may be a sign that lenders are gearing up to curb foreclosures through the accommodation of short sales. Total Orange County pending sales continues to reach record heights week after week. I started tracking the statistic back in September of 2006. After increasing by 355 homes over the past two weeks, the total pending count has reached 4,905 pending sales. Last year at this time, total pending sales totaled 2,852, 1,698 fewer than today. Two years ago it was at 3,047, 1,858 fewer.



Word within the trenches is that there is tremendous activity out there in the lower ranges and with distressed properties. Many buyers first enter the market with anticipation that they are going to somehow be able to obtain a property for tens of thousands less than the asking price. They are quickly learning that there is a lot of competition in the lower ranges and all distressed homes. There just is not enough news highlighting this aspect of the real estate market. The activity in the lower ranges has reached such a high level, that it is starting to reflect in the median sales price for Orange County, which posted its first month over month increase, from January to February 2009, in eight months. Lower interest rates, a lot of stimulus, the massive return of the first time home buyer, the return of investors, have all equated to a sharp uptick in the current Orange County real estate market.



There is a major difference between the lower and upper ranges. For all home below $750,000, the expected market time has been dropped considerably. The best range in Orange County is homes between $250,000 and $500,000, with an expected market time of 2.09 months. 60% of the inventory within that range is either a short sale or foreclosure. The expected market time for homes below $250,000 is 2.46 months. For homes between $500,000 and $750,000, the expected market time is 3.46 months. It shoots up to a 6.4 month expected market time for homes between $750,000 and $1 million. From there, the expected market time blossoms to a stagnant market. The expected market time ranges from 13.11 month, homes between $1 million and $1.5 million, and 43.44 months, homes above $4 million. What this helps illustrate is that the government?s focus on freeing up conventional financing, loans up to $729,750, is working within the real estate market. For jumbo financing, where loans are much more difficult to obtain and are at a higher rate, especially above $1 million, demand has just come to a crawl. With no focus from the government on higher ranges, it will not be until a bottom is reached in the lower ranges, which some are predicting during the second half of 2009, and confidence is restored in the financial markets, that decent demand will return to the upper ranges.



We just need stimulus and cheap money, forever.</blockquote>
So do home prices get crushed again when raised go from 4% and change to 6% and higher? I wonder how long the gov't can keep playing musical cheers before the music stops in terms of these low rates. The gov't has its hand in too many cookie jars and it's a matter of time before they get hand caught in there.
 
Jesus. If anyone ever needed a poster child for:



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<span style="font-size: 16px;"><span style="color: red;"> STEVE THOMAS IS IT!!!!! </span></span>



Crack is bad for you, people. Mr. Thomas is walking proof.



Do not be retarded, and say no to drugs. Also, do not overpay for milk!
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1239086527]Matt138 - Are you buying based on this information? Is Steve Thomas buying?</blockquote>


Scroll up to see his previous post, I think he is on the same page as us... that Steve is a moron.
 
Not buying a primary, but throw the investment idea around daily. Fourplex prices are getting there, but vacancy ratios worry me. Further short term decline in RE will be dwarfed by long term decline in the dollar. Try holding a $1M Deutsche mark in your hands - it might be a better idea to own stuff than not - I guess it doesn't have to be RE, but the gov has a vested interest in keeping RE prices up and not so much with other tangible assets.



I was speaking with a german guy and he said his grandfather told him that he knew Germany was in trouble when the trade deficit became a surplus. Over here, it's high fives and chest butts all around when the trade deficit shrinks.



If you held a bunch of foreign bonds/bills/notes in a specific country and they were in bad shape economically and monkeying around with their money, what the hell would you do?



To phrase is as an SAT question:

IHB is to purchasing RE as: A.) foreigners are to selling US treasuries.



We use certain indicators as do they.
 
I received this last week from a real estate agent who is usually hyping the market. Usually, you get ok data with spin. Check this out...



"Here are the stats for March, which was a 'garbage' month so far as SFR is concerned compared to January and February when AVERAGE PRICE was $3.2 million and $4.2 million respectively. For MARCH the AVERAGE PRICE was $1.6 million with figures seriously impacted by fact that 5 out of the 7 sales registered were either short sales or REO's.



At present, there are a mind boggling 466 active SFR properties for sale in Malibu and Topanga and only 29 of them in escrow!



LAND has virtually ground to a halt due to fact that last lender (Chase) evacuated the market for raw land acquisition lending, though CONSTRUCTION Loans are still available (there are some pretty specific requirements though, so check with me before plunging in). The good news here is that 100% of sellers in my own inventory (which is as large as anyone's) realize that they must cooperate in financing in order to make the sale. There are 264 active land listings with only 8 in escrow.



Leases continue to shine and keep many of your friendly neighborhood realtor's heads above water. 30 Leases done in March and amount of Lease dollar volume generated exceeds Condo and Land sales combined!"
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1238023823]IIRC, his office is in South OC. Anybody, please feel free to correct me on this.</blockquote>


In case nobody has answered this yet yes, his office is in Aliso Viejo.
 
[quote author="caliguy2699" date=1239701938][quote author="awgee" date=1238023823]IIRC, his office is in South OC. Anybody, please feel free to correct me on this.</blockquote>


In case nobody has answered this yet yes, his office is in Aliso Viejo.</blockquote>


I guess it is only fair to acknowledge that in his last analysis, Thomas did include some higher end market stats which show that the higher end market sales have fallen off a cliff. ;-P Makes ya wonder if some of these cheerleaders are reading the IHB.
 
[quote author="matt138" date=1239462088]Not buying a primary, but throw the investment idea around daily. Fourplex prices are getting there, but vacancy ratios worry me. Further short term decline in RE will be dwarfed by long term decline in the dollar. Try holding a $1M Deutsche mark in your hands - it might be a better idea to own stuff than not - I guess it doesn't have to be RE, but the gov has a vested interest in keeping RE prices up and not so much with other tangible assets.



I was speaking with a german guy and he said his grandfather told him that he knew Germany was in trouble when the trade deficit became a surplus. Over here, it's high fives and chest butts all around when the trade deficit shrinks.



If you held a bunch of foreign bonds/bills/notes in a specific country and they were in bad shape economically and monkeying around with their money, what the hell would you do?



To phrase is as an SAT question:

IHB is to purchasing RE as: A.) foreigners are to selling US treasuries.



We use certain indicators as do they.</blockquote>


Thing is, this is a truly global recession. Almost every country is in trouble, many as bad or worse than America. The overbuilding in Spain, for example, was insane. The entire country of Iceland is basically bankrupt due to their banks making bad loans to people in the UK. Much of Eastern Europe is in trouble. Any country that exports a lot to the US (China, Japan, Germany, South Korea, all of Southeast Asia) gets our problems by proxy. (Normally, contrary to your German friend, a trade surplus is a good thing.)



There are no safe harbors out there.
 
Trade surplus is good in normal situations.



I was referencing post WWI germany - since their money was losing value, everyone with German money started buying stuff instead of holding money. Exports rise and it looks like a good thing right? I believe this is called repatriation (money going back to the "Fatherland")



Americans need to keep an eye on this - we are in a "standard of living bubble" and we all know how those turn out.
 
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