Economy and Climate Change

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Absolute zero (zero emissions) plan by UK colleges and other partners:. Take a look at their multi-colored timeline chart. Governments around the world have already begun implementing some of these action plans. (Scroll to the middle of the page for the timeline chart ->https://ukfires.org/absolute-zero/)

Goal: Closing all regional airports by 2030 (All remaining airports close by 2050)
"French lawmakers have moved to ban short-haul internal flights where train alternatives exist, in a bid to reduce carbon emissions."https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56716708

Goal: End of gas engins by 2030 (All new cars are electric by 2030 - 2049 and road use at 60% of 2020 level by 2050)
"California regulators agreed to ban the sale of new gasoline-fueled cars by 2035"https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/c...line-fueled-cars-could-spread-to-other-states

Goal: Replace gas boilers (for heating) with heat pumps by 2030 (Fossil Fuels completely phased out by 2030-2049 and heating powered on 60% of 2020 level)
"A state board has voted to phase out gas-fueled furnaces and water heaters in California in an effort to reduce its carbon footprint and cut down on pollution. Starting in 2030, all new furnaces and water heaters will have to be electric."https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/california/california-gas-fueled-furnaces-water-heaters/3011600/

Goal: Growth in domestic and international rail as substitutes for airplane rides and low occupancy car travel by 2030 (Electric trains as preferred mode of travel by people and freight over long distances by 2050)
"As Biden Pushes Major Rail Investments, Amtrak's 2035 Map Has People Talking"https://www.npr.org/2021/04/06/9844...ents-rail-amtraks-2035-map-has-people-talking

Goal: Consumption of beef and lamb reduced by 50% by 2030 (Beef and lamb completely phased out along with any imports not transported by train by 2030-2049)
"How can the UK reduce meat consumption and cut emissions?" Through meat tax, eco-label on meat, removing meat from impulse buy shelves, restaurants offer less meat, etc.https://www.theguardian.com/environ...reduce-meat-consumption-and-cut-emissions-aoe

More info on Absolute Zero UK Fires twitter
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1397127413289586689

***Moved from water cooler as these potential changes may be more relevant to our economy
 
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From the interview with Absolute Zero (UK) report’s lead author, Julian Allwood, Professor of Engineering and the Environment at the University of Cambridge.

Some interesting points brought up by Allwood include:

1) Sacrificing elements of democracy would speed up implementation ("it is clearly the case that if you abandon elements of democracy then you can make things happen more rapidly than if you consult. But again, we aren’t near that point.").

2) Calls aviation, fossil fuels, cement, blast furnace steel, "sunset" industries i.e. on the way out. ("The sunset industries like aviation, fossil fuels, cement, blast furnace steel, are of course going to oppose it because they have to shut [down], but we just have to face up to that, and make sure that their voice isn’t given undue attention.").

3) Industries/jobs lost due to the plan's implementation can for a time be replaced by "electrifying" those sectors ("For example if we electrify all current uses of energy then that will entail a massive growth in both the production and installation of, for example, electric heating, electric transport, and so on. ...the fact that for a period we won’t be flying and we’ll have no alternatives to shipping means that we’re going to be reconfiguring the economy. ")

4) Deglobalization from cutting out all shipping and aviation may cut transfer of materials but it will not affect intellectual activity as they are replaced by virtual connections. Allwood specifically notes that streaming data is not as carbon intensive as aviation. ("It does imply deglobalisation in some productive activities, particularly ones associated with high-volume materials. I don’t think it implies anything about deglobalisation of intellectual activity. It’s a myth that streaming emits anything like aviation; it doesn’t. So, the virtual connections will allow many of our currently globalised activities to continue.")

5) The interviewer had concerns about oppositions to such a radical plan. In response, Allwood makes clear that she is not concerned about such opposition. She believes that because people will have "virtual connections", that people's need for intellectual activity would be satisfied. That opposition can be controlled by making sure attention is not brought to them. In addition, Allwood believes that many would respond the same to the radical approach to climate change as they did to the myriad of Coronavirus restrictions, i.e. acceptance. ("...during the coronavirus outbreak...despite the loss of social interaction...there’s been wide acceptance of the need for change").

Absolute Zero climate report explained | Brunel University London

www.brunel.ac.uk www.brunel.ac.uk
 
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Gas stoves if you're concerned about indoor air pollution causing health effects might increase PM and NO2.

As for green house gases, all the gas cook tops in the USA produce roughly 500,000 cars worth. We currently have close to 300 Million cars being used in the USA.
 
Well if smith says it….it must be true!….😂😂😂😂

AOC says that gas stoves are linked to 'reduced cognitive performance'​


Consumer Product Safety Commissioner Richard Trumka, Jr. said a ban on gas stoves is 'on the table' in a Bloomberg interview published on Monday.

Trumka called gas stoves, which have been a fixture in American homes since the early 1920s, a 'hidden hazard.'

'Products that can’t be made safe can be banned,' he said.

Four in every 10 American homes has a natural gas stove.

www.dailymail.co.uk

AOC to GOPer: Gas stoves linked to 'reduced cognitive performance'

Federal officials are weighing the significant step, which would have a sweeping effect on new building regulations, over the growing evidence of gas stoves' risk to people's heath.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Electric stoves are awful, for anyone that really cooks. Maybe we should just mandate all induction stovetops.
 
aquabliss said:
Electric stoves are awful, for anyone that really cooks. Maybe we should just mandate all induction stovetops.
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Try to wok on one.

I love clean air. Big fan. Here’s the kicker, cooking with a gas cooktop if you don’t use good venting, can raise indoor air quality above acceptable outdoor target levels. Ironically, cooking on an electric cooktop isn’t much better.

yep, outside air targets are cleaning than indoor air after dinner.
 
Check out the new TCL air purifiers - great product and price - handles pet and kitchen odors like my 5 onion stroganoff
 
Danimal said:
No plan to ban gas stove

www.yahoo.com

Biden administration: We have no plans to ban gas stoves

A Biden administration official said Wednesday there is no ban on the sale of new gas stoves in the works, after a colleague’s Monday comments raising the possibility sparked backlash from conservatives.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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They are backing away from nothing…The Boy King will probably be next..

Gov. Hochul quietly sneaks in proposal to ban sale of gas stoves, fuels outrage across New York

Gov. Kathy Hochul quietly snuck a proposal to outlaw new gas stoves into the “New York Housing Compact” she unveiled during her State of the State speech Tuesday — urging people to ditch their kitchens’ gas grills and go electric.

The ban would affect old-timers and millennials who are obsessed with cast-iron pans, which are tricky to use on electric stoves.

“This is plain stupid,” said a 70-year-old resident of Sea Gate, Brooklyn, who gave his name as Victor K. “We lost electricity before, during Hurricane Sandy. The only thing we had to heat up our food was gas. What if that happens again?”

Hochul’s plan would ban gas stoves, hot water heaters and oil furnaces in both new home and commercial construction by the end of the decade.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/11/hochuls-plan-to-ban-sale-of-gas-stoves-fuels-outrage/

 
Great, pretty soon we'll all have to use electric dryers to dry our clothes. I hate electric dryers!
 
aquabliss said:
Great, pretty soon we'll all have to use electric dryers to dry our clothes. I hate electric dryers!
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Tsk tsk, entitled privileged attitude expecting your own electric clothes drying. Encourages inefficient use of resources. Only electric dryers will be available and restricted to communal drying locations.
 
Now this is funny…

Wyoming is set to BAN sales of new electric vehicles by 2035

  • Wyoming is set to become the first state to phase out electric vehicles by 2035
  • The move, announced Friday, aims to preserve the state's oil and gas industry
  • The bill notes that Wyoming lacks a charging station infrastructure and is weary of the waste caused by used electric vehicle batters that cannot be recycled

https://mol.im/a/11640855
 
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