coronavirus

[CalBears96]

So a study released by CDC shows that vaccine is better than natural immunity.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-shows-covid-vaccine-is-better-than-natural-immunity

The concept of ?natural immunity? has been a rallying cry for anti-vaxxers?but a new study released by the CDC shows that the vaccine is more protective than a previous coronavirus infection. In fact, those who did not get vaccinated but had recently contracted the virus were five times more likely to be reinfected than people who had not been infected before they got the shot. ?The data demonstrate that vaccination can provide a higher, more robust, and more consistent level of immunity to protect people from hospitalization for COVID-19 than infection alone for at least 6 months,? the CDC said.

CDC link:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

 

[akula1488]

And CDC just walks it back saying no difference in protection (prior infections vs vaccination) 24 hour later. Oops.

A systematic review and meta-analysis including data from three vaccine efficacy trials and four observational studies from the US, Israel, and the United Kingdom, found no significant difference in the overall level of protection provided by infection as compared with protection provided by vaccination; this included studies from both prior to and during the period in which Delta was the predominant variant
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/vaccine-induced-immunity.html?s=09

So a study released by CDC shows that vaccine is better than natural immunity.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-shows-covid-vaccine-is-better-than-natural-immunity

The concept of ?natural immunity? has been a rallying cry for anti-vaxxers?but a new study released by the CDC shows that the vaccine is more protective than a previous coronavirus infection. In fact, those who did not get vaccinated but had recently contracted the virus were five times more likely to be reinfected than people who had not been infected before they got the shot. ?The data demonstrate that vaccination can provide a higher, more robust, and more consistent level of immunity to protect people from hospitalization for COVID-19 than infection alone for at least 6 months,? the CDC said.

CDC link:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

 

[CalBears96]

And CDC just walks it back saying no difference in protection (prior infections vs vaccination) 24 hour later. Oops.

A systematic review and meta-analysis including data from three vaccine efficacy trials and four observational studies from the US, Israel, and the United Kingdom, found no significant difference in the overall level of protection provided by infection as compared with protection provided by vaccination; this included studies from both prior to and during the period in which Delta was the predominant variant
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/vaccine-induced-immunity.html?s=09

So a study released by CDC shows that vaccine is better than natural immunity.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-shows-covid-vaccine-is-better-than-natural-immunity

The concept of ?natural immunity? has been a rallying cry for anti-vaxxers?but a new study released by the CDC shows that the vaccine is more protective than a previous coronavirus infection. In fact, those who did not get vaccinated but had recently contracted the virus were five times more likely to be reinfected than people who had not been infected before they got the shot. ?The data demonstrate that vaccination can provide a higher, more robust, and more consistent level of immunity to protect people from hospitalization for COVID-19 than infection alone for at least 6 months,? the CDC said.

CDC link:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

Oops what? Even if there's no difference between prior infections vs. vaccination, it still disproved moretroll's point that natural immunity is better than vaccine.

And I repeat again for you conservatives that don't understand logic, natural immunity means that you've already caught COVID, which defeats the purpose of avoid catching COVID. So for someone who is unvaccinated, what is better, natural immunity or vaccine, if both provides the same protection?

 

[PSForever]

https://twitter.com/808constituent/status/1454887268624130049

 

[nosuchreality]

And CDC just walks it back saying no difference in protection (prior infections vs vaccination) 24 hour later. Oops.

A systematic review and meta-analysis including data from three vaccine efficacy trials and four observational studies from the US, Israel, and the United Kingdom, found no significant difference in the overall level of protection provided by infection as compared with protection provided by vaccination; this included studies from both prior to and during the period in which Delta was the predominant variant
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/vaccine-induced-immunity.html?s=09

So a study released by CDC shows that vaccine is better than natural immunity.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-shows-covid-vaccine-is-better-than-natural-immunity

The concept of ?natural immunity? has been a rallying cry for anti-vaxxers?but a new study released by the CDC shows that the vaccine is more protective than a previous coronavirus infection. In fact, those who did not get vaccinated but had recently contracted the virus were five times more likely to be reinfected than people who had not been infected before they got the shot. ?The data demonstrate that vaccination can provide a higher, more robust, and more consistent level of immunity to protect people from hospitalization for COVID-19 than infection alone for at least 6 months,? the CDC said.

CDC link:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

?Substantial immunologic evidence and a growing body of epidemiologic evidence indicate that vaccination after infection significantly enhances protection and further reduces risk of reinfection, which lays the foundation for CDC recommendations.?

The part you quoted was addressing a subset of the studies they looked at.  The next paragraph looked at the result identified in USA at 5x.

 

[usctrojancpa]

I'm not a medical professional but someone can't get covid after they recently had recovered from covid but vaccinations can't prevent one from getting covid so it's reasonable to say that natural immunity is stronger.  That being said, I'm positive that my dad having been fully vaccinated prevented any serious issues once he got covid.

 

[CalBears96]

I'm not a medical professional but someone can't get covid after they recently had recovered from covid but vaccinations can't prevent one from getting covid so it's reasonable to say that natural immunity is stronger.  That being said, I'm positive that my dad having been fully vaccinated prevented any serious issues once he got covid.

Even if it's true that natural immunity protects better against COVID than vaccine, would you make that argument to an unvaccinated person? And since the vaccine has a very high chance at preventing hospitalization, shouldn't one take the vaccine anyway even if (s)he were to try to acquire natural immunity?

 

[akula1488]

Right it literally says 5.5 times higher for people with prior infection and vaccinated and all those caveats ( COVID like symptoms, no data outside hospitals). With so many breakthrough cases, and under reported vaccine adverse effects, exaggerated deaths due to Covid, and blanket vaccine mandate, discourage use of effective treatment that other countries are doing,  and not pushing for antibody test, no news coverage on the massive protest shappening in Europe, fully open Scandinavian countries,  constant moving goal posts, what does that tell you?

And CDC just walks it back saying no difference in protection (prior infections vs vaccination) 24 hour later. Oops.

A systematic review and meta-analysis including data from three vaccine efficacy trials and four observational studies from the US, Israel, and the United Kingdom, found no significant difference in the overall level of protection provided by infection as compared with protection provided by vaccination; this included studies from both prior to and during the period in which Delta was the predominant variant
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/vaccine-induced-immunity.html?s=09

So a study released by CDC shows that vaccine is better than natural immunity.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-shows-covid-vaccine-is-better-than-natural-immunity

The concept of ?natural immunity? has been a rallying cry for anti-vaxxers?but a new study released by the CDC shows that the vaccine is more protective than a previous coronavirus infection. In fact, those who did not get vaccinated but had recently contracted the virus were five times more likely to be reinfected than people who had not been infected before they got the shot. ?The data demonstrate that vaccination can provide a higher, more robust, and more consistent level of immunity to protect people from hospitalization for COVID-19 than infection alone for at least 6 months,? the CDC said.

CDC link:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

?Substantial immunologic evidence and a growing body of epidemiologic evidence indicate that vaccination after infection significantly enhances protection and further reduces risk of reinfection, which lays the foundation for CDC recommendations.?

The part you quoted was addressing a subset of the studies they looked at.  The next paragraph looked at the result identified in USA at 5x.

 

[nosuchreality]

Than not and.

?  there was a 5.5 times higher odds of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 among previously infected patients than among fully vaccinated patients?

Be like Sweden.  Sweden is vaccinated. Sweden masks,  Sweden socially distances. Voluntarily.

Right it literally says 5.5 times higher for people with prior infection and vaccinated and all those caveats ( COVID like symptoms, no data outside hospitals). With so many breakthrough cases, and under reported vaccine adverse effects, exaggerated deaths due to Covid, and blanket vaccine mandate, discourage use of effective treatment that other countries are doing,  and not pushing for antibody test, no news coverage on the massive protest shappening in Europe, fully open Scandinavian countries,  constant moving goal posts, what does that tell you?

And CDC just walks it back saying no difference in protection (prior infections vs vaccination) 24 hour later. Oops.

A systematic review and meta-analysis including data from three vaccine efficacy trials and four observational studies from the US, Israel, and the United Kingdom, found no significant difference in the overall level of protection provided by infection as compared with protection provided by vaccination; this included studies from both prior to and during the period in which Delta was the predominant variant
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/vaccine-induced-immunity.html?s=09

So a study released by CDC shows that vaccine is better than natural immunity.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-shows-covid-vaccine-is-better-than-natural-immunity

The concept of ?natural immunity? has been a rallying cry for anti-vaxxers?but a new study released by the CDC shows that the vaccine is more protective than a previous coronavirus infection. In fact, those who did not get vaccinated but had recently contracted the virus were five times more likely to be reinfected than people who had not been infected before they got the shot. ?The data demonstrate that vaccination can provide a higher, more robust, and more consistent level of immunity to protect people from hospitalization for COVID-19 than infection alone for at least 6 months,? the CDC said.

CDC link:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

?Substantial immunologic evidence and a growing body of epidemiologic evidence indicate that vaccination after infection significantly enhances protection and further reduces risk of reinfection, which lays the foundation for CDC recommendations.?

The part you quoted was addressing a subset of the studies they looked at.  The next paragraph looked at the result identified in USA at 5x.

 

[akula1488]

Deleted.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

morekaos has special natural immunity.

And based on his posts, possibly Covid Psychosis:
https://www.eehealth.org/blog/2021/04/covid-19-psychosis/

However, doctors now are researching new mental health side effects from the virus. Though reported in small numbers and considered rare, COVID-19 psychosis has affected patients around the world.

Psychosis is a mental disorder in which patients have an impaired sense of reality. Symptoms of psychosis can include hallucinations, delusions, talking incoherently and agitation.

A New York Times article outlines a handful of cases involving people in their 30s, 40s and 50s who had never been diagnosed with a mental health illness but developed psychosis within weeks after testing positive for COVID-19. Many of the patients had mild symptoms of COVID-19.

This may explain some things.

 

[morekaos]

Lol at using Rasmussen polls.

Also, that means 54% of voters don't want Fauci to resign.

You lose.

Momentum is a great trading tool...

Poll: Majority of voters say Fauci should resign

A majority of voters said President Biden's chief medical advisor, Anthony Fauci, should resign, a new Hill-HarrisX poll finds.

The survey, which was conducted from October 26,27, found that 52 percent of registered voters polled felt Fauci should resign.
[url]https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/579129-poll-majority-of-voters-say-fauci-should-resign[/url]

Data from the June poll, contrasted with the most recent, shows a twelve percent (12 percent) point increase in Democrats who now feel Fauci should resign.
In recent weeks, news broke that Fauci lied repeatedly in regards to gain-of-function research being funded and supported by the National Institutes of Health. His character and work has been further scrutinized by consistent evidence that Fauci and his colleagues were involved in brutal, disgusting abuse of animals for ?medical? purposes. These reports, plus the flip-flopping over COVID-19 information, restrictions, and mandates has led to a fairly bleak perception of the doctor.
https://thenationalpulse.com/news/majority-of-americans-demand-fauci-resigns/#google_vignette

 

[eyephone]

The LA Sheriff is holding a press conference about vaccine mandate right now. (on tv and youtube)
- He is vaccinated and encourages people to get vaccinated
- But he is against the mandate for his department
- He also said he is under staffed? lol

Kind of weird.

 

[morekaos]

He's not the only one....

A THIRD of NYC's 11,000 firefighters are now off duty as de Blasio's vaccine mandate takes hold: 20 percent of fire companies out of service as 800 EMTs and 5,000 cops refuse shots

1,000 firefighters have taken unpaid leave and 2,300 are on sick leave, undercutting the 11,000-strong force by nearly a third 
Sixty fire companies from stations across NYC went down on Monday on day one of the vaccine mandate
It left the remaining 240 companies scrambling to cover ground, with firefighters working 24 hour shifts
Some said they shouldn't be forced into taking a shot that's not mandatory for the general public
EMT Shem Lafleur, 31, told DailyMail.com he wanted to wait 2 years to watch how the vaccine affected people
Now, he has lost his job as an EMT working for the FDNY in Brooklyn and the Bronx and feels 'betrayed'
40 firefighters gathered at a hotel in Manhattan on Tuesday to get help from their union
The Uniformed Firefighters Association says the department is 'falling apart behind the scenes'
Overnight, there were two major fires in NYC including a four alarm in the Bronx that required 163 firefighters
Four people were taken to the hospital in Brooklyn after a different fire but they survived
The majority of the 5,500 unvaccinated cops are filing exemptions which allows them to continue working
2,530 firefighters out of 11,000 are unvaxxed along with 794 EMTs out of 4,414 and 5,400 cops out of 36,000
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10156757/Unvaccinated-NYC-EMTs-firefighters-say-wont-rushed-taking-vaccine-mandate.html[/url]

 

[eyephone]

The LA Sheriff is holding a press conference about vaccine mandate right now. (on tv and youtube)
- He is vaccinated and encourages people to get vaccinated
- But he is against the mandate for his department
- He also said he is under staffed? lol

Kind of weird.

Another politician that has the vaccine, but apparently is against it. (the LA sheriff is an elected official)
Got to stay safe and protected himself from the rona. But the rest good luck? lol

 

[morekaos]

The LA Sheriff is holding a press conference about vaccine mandate right now. (on tv and youtube)
- He is vaccinated and encourages people to get vaccinated
- But he is against the mandate for his department
- He also said he is under staffed? lol

Kind of weird.

Another politician that has the vaccine, but apparently is against it. (the LA sheriff is an elected official)
Got to stay safe and protected himself from the rona. But the rest good luck? lol

So what do you think he should be doing Eye?  You can get a vaccinations but be against vaccine mandates. It is not mutually exclusive.  He has to deal with the staffing problems that this "mandate" is collaring all these administrators in both the public and private sectors.  You think he should hire on some temps and give them a gun?  Maybe let the internet take over a few homicide cases?  What do you want him to do? He is playing with the crappy hand Biden and Nuisance dealt him.

 

[CalBears96]

He's understaffed because COVID is the leading cause of death among police officers.

 

[eyephone]

Staffing problem is laughable!
LASD deploys deputies to LAPD territory in Venice Beach.
Seems like they have enough police to patrol other jurisdiction without any inter agency/law enforcement request for help. It even caught the lapd cheif off guard.

 

[morekaos]

He's understaffed because COVID is the leading cause of death among police officers.

He is understaffed because a chunk of his veteran officers are choosing retirement, early retirement, declaring disability or flat out quitting because they don't want to take the jab.  Same at the airlines, those are not weather driven cancellations.  they face the same staffing issues brought about by a mandate.

In a letter to the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, Villanueva said he could potentially lose 44 percent of his workforce in one day if he followed the mandate.
?We are experiencing an increase in unscheduled retirements, worker compensation claims, employees quitting, and a reduction in qualified applicants,? Villanueva said in a statement obtained by The Post. ?As a result, homicide rates will continue to rise, response times will increase, solve rates will diminish, arrests will decline, patrol services will significantly decline, and patrol stations wil

 

[eyephone]

He's understaffed because COVID is the leading cause of death among police officers.

Unfortunately. That is the #1 leading cause for officers nationwide during this time. facts look it up non believers