Columbus Grove: why live there

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[quote author="flmgrip" date=1223608324][quote author="Goofy" date=1223603068][quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223601935][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1223599660]So what are the high Mello Roos at CG paying for? </blockquote>


Future toxic soil remediation and reserves against future claims arising from cancers and tumors related to proximinity to high voltage lines.</blockquote>




Is it possible to keep this discussion out of the gutter? I took a long break from IHB forums because of these unintelligent types of posts. Some people want to have an actual discussion without childish factless retorts that just seem to sink many discussions.



Since starting to read this blog a year ago, and talking to friends and colleagues that actually want to buy a home. The opinion of these forums have gone from "factual, edgy, not what mainstream wants to hear" one year ago, all the way down to "silly and one sided, dominated by a few people that only like one or two neighborhoods".



Can we skip the stupid comments, and maybe actual homeowners from CG would jump on and give their opinion?</blockquote>


nope, wrong forum... i gave up a long time ago to find usefull information here, but i keep swinging buy here for laughs and my own stupid and usless posts... any effort put in a post is a waste of time around here unless you think houses will sell $200k in the OC and that VoC are a shithole (and you MUST love woodbury (pref. live there too as a renter) to be accepted...)</blockquote>


Good point. I guess its an uphill battle. The fact that I live on the Tustin side, and that the power lines are in Westpark, not CG doesn't matter. Its easier to make sweeping generalizations and tell me that I hate my family (!?)



They win, I'm beat down... I'll go lurk on other sites. The stock market is my number one concern at this moment, I'll put my energy there.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1223609705][quote author="Goofy" date=1223603068][quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223601935][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1223599660]So what are the high Mello Roos at CG paying for? </blockquote>


Future toxic soil remediation and reserves against future claims arising from cancers and tumors related to proximinity to high voltage lines.</blockquote>




Is it possible to keep this discussion out of the gutter? I took a long break from IHB forums because of these unintelligent types of posts. Some people want to have an actual discussion without childish factless retorts that just seem to sink many discussions.



Since starting to read this blog a year ago, and talking to friends and colleagues that actually want to buy a home. The opinion of these forums have gone from "factual, edgy, not what mainstream wants to hear" one year ago, all the way down to "silly and one sided, dominated by a few people that only like one or two neighborhoods".



Can we skip the stupid comments, and maybe actual homeowners from CG would jump on and give their opinion?</blockquote>


With all the snarks, condescending, and negative comments here in IHB the senior members with over 1,000 posts don't get there being stupid. They are intelligent and knowledgeable about this housing trade. They have to defend their comments and gain the trust and respect of other members. Contributing new insight post after post is not an easy task.



None of the senior members is endorsing VOC and I hope you get the picture. I have not seen so far one intelligent posters demonstrated good knowledge of housing and technical skill endorsing VOC.



Defenders of VOC are mostly newbies with less than 20 posts not proven themselves that they are the experts in the field of housing. Their opinions lack rational. No senior members here will validate their bad decisions. my suggestion for the Village People is to find someone really intelligent to start a YMCA website.</blockquote>


So to qualify as "a senior member" you need to post more than 1,000 times, and then you're a real estate expert. If you have posted less than 20 times, then you're not a real estate expert by definition. Living in VOC automatically disqualifies you from having an opinion about it.



Got it. Thanks.
 
[quote author="It?s a dry heat..." date=1223610409]Also, to rehash stuff from another thread (i.e. toxic/contaminated soil), if you look at that "toxic plume," it extends from the El Toro base, not the Tustin Marine base. And it extends through most of Irvine between the 5 and the 405, not just VOC. I would guess that, yes, there are probably soil contaminants from just being on base grounds, but more than likely where those hangars and runways are (or whereever they kept the <strong>weather balloons</strong>. Please flame me if they used to keep other planes or jets in those hangars.



Thanks.</blockquote>


I went to go buy a house in CG last year. I was presented with multiple disclosures re: the contaminated soil and ground water. It's one of the reasons I elected not to purchase there... I don't pay attention to whatever threads on toxic plumes there are here. I speak from my personal experience with KB and the Madison tract in CG.



I just couldn't stomach the idea of paying $975K for a house, $6-7K per year in mello roos, and possibly adversely effecting the health of my children... It's just not a worthwhile trade-off for me to get a shiny new house with Java-stained cabinets. I'd rather have a smaller lot vs. a larger one that required liability releases and multiple disclosures.
 
[quote author="Goofy" date=1223610471]Good point. I guess its an uphill battle. The fact that I live on the Tustin side, and that the power lines are in Westpark, not CG doesn't matter. Its easier to make sweeping generalizations and tell me that I hate my family (!?) </blockquote>


No power lines proximal to CG homes heh? Take a look at this:



<img src="http://www.ipoplaya.com/voclines.jpg" alt="" />



The arrows show location of power lines and power line towers. Doesn't that look like CG to you? Do you know where Columbus Grove is? As a matter of fact, isn't there a park built right under those power lines meant to service CG? I believe CG homes in Alexandria and Lantana have them within a few hundred feet. Is that not the case?



Yes, the lines do effect Westpark homes as well. I've never advocated living in any of those homes either...
 
[quote author="Goofy" date=1223610471]Good point. I guess its an uphill battle. The fact that I live on the Tustin side, and that the power lines are in Westpark, not CG doesn't matter. Its easier to make sweeping generalizations and tell me that I hate my family (!?)



They win, I'm beat down... I'll go lurk on other sites. The stock market is my number one concern at this moment, I'll put my energy there.</blockquote>


Do you have any school-age kids? Was curious how they were liking their Tustin schools? I don't think we've had any posters commenting on Marjorie Veh Elementary as yet... From 50K feet, it doesn't look like all that appealing of an institution but maybe firsthand experience is diferent.



I think the only health issue you may to worry about on your side of VoC are the airborne carcinogens from the future hangar demolition. If the Santa Anas are blowing that day, you'll be free-and-clear...



<strong>Alert, alert</strong> - IPO made a joke. Please be advised this is an example of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humor">humor</a>.
 
[quote author="Goofy" date=1223611183]So to qualify as "a senior member" you need to post more than 1,000 times, and then you're a real estate expert. If you have posted less than 20 times, then you're not a real estate expert by definition. Living in VOC automatically disqualifies you from having an opinion about it.



Got it. Thanks.</blockquote>


@Goofy - I think the important value that's being put forward is the information, not the interpretation. You can take from it what you will. Each person has their own hotpoints. For example:



Many moons ago, in San Diego, I showed a home to a couple and before I opened the door, I pointed out that they would have to overlook, as I called it "the dated, puke-colored carpeting" and focus on the location and layout of the home. The couple eventually bought the home and my grandmother, the broker of record, got paid (I was unlicensed at the time). I was overly-pleased with myself and blabbed about my smart move in "prepping" the clients. Instead of getting an expected "atta-boy" I was sternly reminded by said grandmother that my opinions are not important or necessary. My job was simply to present the factual info and I'd overstepped my bounds by my putting personal preference on it. In fact, the buyers said that the carpeting was one of their deciding factors, as it reminded one of them of their old home and growing up.

<strong>The person buying (or not) has the only important opinion</strong>.



Take from it what you will. I appreciate the information and the fact that there are opposing points of view*.



<em>*Except for the politics thread. Let's get this election over with and move on.</em>
 
[quote author="CalGal" date=1223614036]IR2 - we've had realtors tell us that there are TONS of kids in the neighborhood.

I guess she thought we would enjoy our neighbors' kids riding their bikes on our lawn, screaming after school, playing street hockey in the streets, etc. She failed to note that we didn't have any kids and her comment put a negative thought in our head.

So, you're right. Someone's positive is another one's negative. :coolsmirk:</blockquote>


That's not quite the same... TONS of kids is factual and is not an opinion. Imagine your reaction if she hadn't revealed that, and !!!surprise!!! <strong><a href="http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/jon-and-kate/jon-and-kate.html">John and Kate + 8 </a></strong>lived on every other home on your street. I think that would definitely be something you'd want to know to make a prudent decision.
 
[quote author="IrvineRealtor" date=1223614369][quote author="CalGal" date=1223614036]IR2 - we've had realtors tell us that there are TONS of kids in the neighborhood.

I guess she thought we would enjoy our neighbors' kids riding their bikes on our lawn, screaming after school, playing street hockey in the streets, etc. She failed to note that we didn't have any kids and her comment put a negative thought in our head.

So, you're right. Someone's positive is another one's negative. :coolsmirk:</blockquote>


That's not quite the same... TONS of kids is factual and is not an opinion. Imagine your reaction if she hadn't revealed that, and !!!surprise!!! <strong><a href="http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/jon-and-kate/jon-and-kate.html">John and Kate + 8 </a></strong>lived on every other home on your street. I think that would definitely be something you'd want to know to make a prudent decision.</blockquote>
I actually thought I edited the post about the kids, but it got posted.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

I certainly wouldn't want to have Jon & Kate + 8 living next door.

They are fine on TV, but not next door. :lol:
 
There's a negative to almost everything.

I'm enjoying a nice view of the golf course right now as I write this post.

However, I can't tell you how many times I've heard golfers yelling TRUCK (OK - it rhymes with truck).

You get the picture.

I don't think I would want kids listening to this all day.
 
[quote author="CalGal" date=1223614813]There's a negative to almost everything.

I'm enjoying a nice view of the golf course right now as I write this post.

However, I can't tell you how many times I've heard golfers yelling TRUCK (OK - it rhymes with truck).

You get the picture.

I don't think I would want kids listening to this all day.</blockquote>


If you moved to Columbus Grove, the low hum of the power lines and traffic would provide some nice white noise to drown out any such obscenities :)



You're right, someone's negatives could be someone else's positives!
 
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You're right, someone's negatives could be someone else's positives!</blockquote>


Like Cavities.



They are good for you because they help your teeth breathe.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1223617791]<blockquote>



You're right, someone's negatives could be someone else's positives!</blockquote>


Like Cavities.



They are good for you because they help your teeth breathe.</blockquote>
. . . and dentists love them because it pays their bills. ;-P
 
I don't live in Columbus Grove, but I would sure like to. Of all the health risks there are in this world, soil toxins are the least of my worries.

Can't wait until I can buy a decent 300K condo there.
 
<blockquote>I don?t live in Columbus Grove, but I would sure like to. Of all the health risks there are in this world, soil toxins are the least of my worries. </blockquote>


Really? ? ? ?

Contaminated soil and contaminated groundwater is pretty scary stuff.

I surely wouldn't want to be around it.

I would write more, but I don't have time.

I used to work at an environmental law firm and I can go on and on with stories about families with cancers and other ailments directly related to this type of contamination.

Seriously, you want to avoid it. Just because you can't see it or smell it, doesn't mean it's not affecting you.
 
Exactly,



If you cant see it or smell it, why specifically target CS and CG as the only homes that would be affected?

I know, because they make you sign these forms if you buy there. That should scare those people that buy there.

But does it make Westpark any safer? Does it make the older homes across Edinger from CS any safer?

I just dont get that. It makes no sense why this toxic stuff would know any borders.



It's TOXIC! It's dangerous. And the only way it will affect you is if it gets in the water supply?

And if it gets in the water supply, all of Irvine, etc is doomed!



So to the bloggers here, why keep targeting CS and CG?



[quote author="CalGal" date=1223633802]

Seriously, you want to avoid it. Just because you can't see it or smell it, doesn't mean it's not affecting you.</blockquote>
 
[quote author="rickhunter" date=1223640120]

So to the bloggers here, why keep targeting CS and CG?</blockquote>


Because they are mostly lame pseudo developments, with few redeeming features, that are the epitome of the bubble. When I think of the RE bubble bursting, I think of all those $1.1-1.2M homes in CG's Alexandria selling in the $700-800K range now. Foreclosures have ripped through Alexandria, Cantara, Westbourne, etc. They haven't decimated Villa Rosa or Mille Fleurs similarly as yet. Wonder why that is?



Maybe when Woodbury tanks like VoC, we'll start picking on it. Unfortunately for VoCers, I don't think it's going to happen.
 
IPO - So you are picking on them because their prices have gone down considerably. I feel that these neighborhoods are coming down to reality faster than Woodbury. You stated that you sat down to purchase at CG so you must have loved the location, home, etc. If it goes down enough there, would you try to buy there again? And as you mentioned, Villa Rosa or Mille Fleurs have not gone down as much, but doesnt that mean people in woodbury are still "smoking the pipe"? as in what no_vas would say?



[quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223640995][quote author="rickhunter" date=1223640120]

So to the bloggers here, why keep targeting CS and CG?</blockquote>


Because they are mostly lame pseudo developments, with few redeeming features, that are the epitome of the bubble. When I think of the RE bubble bursting, I think of all those $1.1-1.2M homes in CG's Alexandria selling in the $700-800K range now. Foreclosures have ripped through Alexandria, Cantara, Westbourne, etc. They haven't decimated Villa Rosa or Mille Fleurs similarly as yet. Wonder why that is?



Maybe when Woodbury tanks like VoC, we'll start picking on it. Unfortunately for VoCers, I don't think it's going to happen.</blockquote>
 
[quote author="rickhunter" date=1223671889]IPO - So you are picking on them because their prices have gone down considerably. I feel that these neighborhoods are coming down to reality faster than Woodbury. You stated that you sat down to purchase at CG so you must have loved the location, home, etc. If it goes down enough there, would you try to buy there again? And as you mentioned, Villa Rosa or Mille Fleurs have not gone down as much, but doesnt that mean people in woodbury are still "smoking the pipe"? as in what no_vas would say?]</blockquote>


I think you have it a little backwards. Prices there have come down there more considerably because they are less worthy, and thus a better target for the picking. Yes, they are coming down to reality faster, but their reality is lower than Woodbury's so they need to go further overall.



I loved the plan 3 floorplan at the Madison. It's very nice. Lot size was nice too. However, after spending some good quiet time on the lot itself, listening to Jamboree and staring at the power lines, I realized I had made a mistake. I realized I didn't want to play with my boys in backyard and stare at those lines for the next 15 years. I realized I didn't want to listen to all the cars crossing Moffett, which I would have backed to, going over to the District for some shopping once it went through to that side.



People are still smoking the pipe but not enough bong hits to keep VoC prices from cratering. They are doing just enough bud to keep Villa Rosa and larger Woodbury SFRs from collapsing though.
 
Which begs the question... will Woodbury eventually fall quite a bit too?



Like I've been asking all over the place... it just sees like the newer houses in Irvine built from 2002 and on with a higher starting base seem to be more resistant to the price drops.



Psychologically... I can see people justifying a 40% drop on a $1mil house if it was built in the 90s for less than $300k... but a 40% drop on a $1.2mil house built in 2006?
 
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