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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #75 on: February 15, 2018, 07:57:15 PM »
Ok , lets come back to what hits home to every one on this board -- all the buyers , sellers , renters , real estate agents  , mortgage brokers , financial advisors ..

For all the chest thumping about gun rights

which neighborhood is likely to have better desirability   --

one full of gun nuts with self defense arsenals in their garages or

one where you have educated "blue leaning" professionals wiling to rely on local police force that is well funded with their taxes , but don't mind keeping an occasional handgun if so inclined . 

No need to answer ...

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #76 on: February 15, 2018, 08:04:35 PM »
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #77 on: February 15, 2018, 08:19:51 PM »
Ok , lets come back to what hits home to every one on this board -- all the buyers , sellers , renters , real estate agents  , mortgage brokers , financial advisors ..

For all the chest thumping about gun rights

which neighborhood is likely to have better desirability   --

one full of gun nuts with self defense arsenals in their garages or

one where you have educated "blue leaning" professionals wiling to rely on local police force that is well funded with their taxes , but don't mind keeping an occasional handgun if so inclined . 

No need to answer ...

The best neighborhood with the highest desirability is a neighborhood that is "majority" empty stucco boxes that are FCB buyers that don't even live here. The homes will have no noise, no wear and tear in the homes, streets, neighborhood, parks, and schools, means it always stays looking brand new which means no theft and no crime (because nothing to steal) and is GOOD for appreciation  ;D

Yes , God bless those silent buyers boosting our home values , thy bounty is limitless

Now please don't any AR-15 worshippers scare them away from Irvine  ...

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #78 on: February 15, 2018, 08:31:27 PM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/374037-florida-high-school-students-criticize-gop-reaction-to-shooting

Students from high school targeted in mass shooting criticize GOP reaction

Several students at the Florida high school where a gunman killed nearly 20 people Wednesday took to social media in the aftermath of the shooting to criticize Republican leaders and media personalities for their response to the United States' latest mass shooting

Most of the student's anger was directed at President Trump. On Thursday morning, Trump suggested that the suspected shooter was "mentally disturbed" and should've been reported to police more, but made no mention of potential gun control measures.

Some students at the school criticized Trump on social media, with one telling Trump to be quiet "unless you are going to do something about gun control."

Nikolas Cruz, 19, was charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder Thursday morning after authorities said he opened fire in Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, killing at least 17 people and injuring more than a dozen others.

The South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported that Cruz legally purchased the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle he allegedly used in the shooting. Cruz had been kicked out of the school and flagged as a threat.

The students also responded to conservative media personality and Fox News contributor Tomi Lahren, who pushed back on calls for gun control after the shooting by writing that it "isn't about a gun it's about another lunatic."

"I was hiding a closet for 2 hours," one student responded on Twitter. "It was about guns."

A number of students and teachers from the school did interviews late Wednesday in which they called on Congress to act to curb gun violence.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #79 on: February 15, 2018, 08:48:36 PM »
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #80 on: February 15, 2018, 09:01:25 PM »
Pro-Gun Russian Bots Flood Twitter After Parkland Shooting

https://www.wired.com/story/pro-gun-russian-bots-flood-twitter-after-parkland-shooting/

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2018, 06:57:20 AM »
Let's not beat around the bush. Bottom line is Americans need guns just as much as they need their weed, soda, and insulin. Regulation will not prevent a lunatic from carrying out acts of terrorism. This is domestic terrorism at its finest. Born and bred from the good ole' US of A.

The EASIEST way and CHEAPEST way is to hire armed security at every school. Come on. Schools get something like $8,000 for each student per year per enrollment. You're telling me schools can't afford to hire a $60,000 armed security personnel?

There was an armed security officer at the HS. 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/crime/armed-guard-florida-school-encountered-rampaging-gunman-article-1.3822777

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #82 on: February 16, 2018, 07:05:28 AM »
Here you go ladies and gentlemen!  Sort the list by country. You will see obviously that USA has the highest frequency but China (a country that bans guns) has plenty of school massacres as well. Same thing with Germany and a few in Canada.

Once again, guns are not necessary for school massacres.

Perhaps, what we can do is raise the minimum age to 26 to own and purchase firearms. However, that still wouldn't stop an old ass bloke like Stephen Paddock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres_by_death_toll

I am not a combat veteran ... But even I can tell you this killer in Florida ---  had he been brandishing a knife or even a samurai sword --- could have been stopped at a death count  way, way below 17 ...

Don't underestimate the samurai sword. Two Japanese soldiers killed over 100 Chinese civilians with a samuari sword in a contest in Nanking China in 1937:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Contest_To_Cut_Down_100_People.jpg

Are you serious?  Seriously...what the heck kinda of comparison is that?   You think those guys were just two random people running around in samurai swords in a normal societal background? 

250,000 people were murdered and 20,000 rapes occurred during the Nanking Massacre in a systematic campaign of terror and destruction waged by the Japanese army over a period of a month.  It is considered one of the most tragic examples of war crimes in human history.  Is that the context you want to put on this discussion? 

Seriously...that is insulting to both the victims of the Nanking Massacre and the Parkland shooting

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #83 on: February 16, 2018, 07:13:24 AM »
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The EASIEST way and CHEAPEST way is to hire armed security at every school. Come on. Schools get something like $8,000 for each student per year per enrollment. You're telling me schools can't afford to hire a $60,000 armed security personnel?

I read somewhere that school did have an armed security guard, but with a school that size, one person can't be very effective.  Better to just make school uniforms that have bullet proof vests.

Does anyone remember the story about the UCI professor and Uni? If he had actually been serious, I don't think one for even two armed security would have made much difference in a big open campus.

The whole shooting took 6 minutes and there was an armed deputy there.  Of course, we have not even talked about the sniper scenario that happened in Las Vegas.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/aftermath-shooting-community-mourns-wonders-044040593.html

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #84 on: February 16, 2018, 07:29:38 AM »
Here you go ladies and gentlemen!  Sort the list by country. You will see obviously that USA has the highest frequency but China (a country that bans guns) has plenty of school massacres as well. Same thing with Germany and a few in Canada.

Once again, guns are not necessary for school massacres.

Perhaps, what we can do is raise the minimum age to 26 to own and purchase firearms. However, that still wouldn't stop an old ass bloke like Stephen Paddock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres_by_death_toll

I am not a combat veteran ... But even I can tell you this killer in Florida ---  had he been brandishing a knife or even a samurai sword --- could have been stopped at a death count  way, way below 17 ...

Don't underestimate the samurai sword. Two Japanese soldiers killed over 100 Chinese civilians with a samuari sword in a contest in Nanking China in 1937:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Contest_To_Cut_Down_100_People.jpg

Are you serious?  Seriously...what the heck kinda of comparison is that?   You think those guys were just two random people running around in samurai swords in a normal societal background? 

250,000 people were murdered and 20,000 rapes occurred during the Nanking Massacre in a systematic campaign of terror and destruction waged by the Japanese army over a period of a month.  It is considered one of the most tragic examples of war crimes in human history.  Is that the context you want to put on this discussion? 

Seriously...that is insulting to both the victims of the Nanking Massacre and the Parkland shooting

Good reply w some historical context.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #85 on: February 16, 2018, 07:52:27 AM »
Those who paid heed to my advice in the recent market selloff probably came out ahead ...

Mark my words .. we are again at a tipping point in history .. wrt guns

i have been following this topic since Columbine (99) and there has been a stalemate for a very very long time --- but just as the tide turned w civil rights, gay rights , now NRA/GOP may have jumped the shark w this latest episode of high school shooting -- the attention this is getting is somewhat different and the responses I am seeing are also very different .

GOP may also be laying the seeds for its long term ruin.   One election does not a trend make, and there are only so many fax-addled old ppl who keep voting them in before the next generation (s) take over -- gerrymandering also will not be able to save them.  There is still time for the Mitt Romney types (I was a Romney voter) to save the party but they need to act fast ...

 




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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #86 on: February 16, 2018, 08:01:28 AM »
Nothing will change on this topic till this generation dies out.  Just going to have to wait.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #87 on: February 16, 2018, 08:06:55 AM »
Nothing will change on this topic till this generation dies out.  Just going to have to wait.

I think it will just get worse. With CSGo, PUBG and Overwatch... our next generation is all about guns.

Time to start building walls (Trump?) around schools and putting metal detectors at the entrances.
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #88 on: February 16, 2018, 08:14:53 AM »
Nothing will change on this topic till this generation dies out.  Just going to have to wait.

I think it will just get worse. With CSGo, PUBG and Overwatch... our next generation is all about guns.

Time to start building walls (Trump?) around schools and putting metal detectors at the entrances.

Next gen all about guns ? not sure if it was said in jest , or if you are serious

there will always be disillusioned youth - the types to spend day and night squabbling on 4chan -- but the gap between Gen X/Y/Z (to various degrees) and boomers is getting to be as big as the gap between boomers in their youth or middle age and their parents .

don't also forget - this crowd is a lot more diverse (ethnicity wise ) than the boomers were

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #89 on: February 16, 2018, 08:59:47 AM »
Can't we do all those things?

For those living in State of CA you don't need to do anything, as the political trend here leans toward gun control.  However this will not stop angry people from setting off pressure cooker bombs or running crowds over with a truck.  As 3D milling (CNC) becomes more affordable many people will simply click and print firearm parts at home and build their own.

As I mentioned in my previous post, our culture sucks in dealing with outcasts and mentally or emotionally stressed people.  When there is no shoulder to lean on or ear to listen, people retreat to their safe spaces and that space isn't always a good place (dark corners of the internet).  To compare, in 2014, a troubled young man in Taiwan stabbed 28 people on the train, resulting in 4 fatalities and 10 critical injuries.  Fortunately emergency services and hospitals were nearby the train station, otherwise it would have resulted in 14 fatalities.

This young man was a student of Tunghai University and had been giving off warning signs for quite some time.  People avoided him because he likes to talk about leading groups of people to abandoned classrooms or train stations and killing them all.  His safe space was the dark corner of the internet for snuff fiction.  Long before he went to stab 28 people, multiple calls were made to the school administration warning them, but nobody bothered to make an effort.  After the attack the university staff and students were shocked before coming to realization on the cost of their inaction.

Instead of demonizing the troubled young man, the University released a statement calling him a member of their family, and that they loved him, but did not love him enough.  The school apologized to the public for their failings.  The student body held prayers for him and marched with banners that called on their fellow students to take "one more step, to look once again, and to speak one more word" -- do not ignore your fellow students who are troubled.  They felt shameful that they allowed one of their peers to cause the damage to society.

http://www.thu.edu.tw/web/announcement/announcement_detail.php?cid=7&id=3467



How many of us would make an effort to go sit with a loner or outcast at lunch table in school?  Do we point our fingers at Everyone else but ourselves?

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