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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #120 on: February 16, 2018, 04:26:52 PM »
Psychology will tell you that exposure to this type of stuff desensitizes you and for those on the edges, the playing of video games makes them crave the actual experience... not just shooting a gun but shooting live targets.

I remember after playing a lot of GTA3, I felt like blowing people up with bazookas that cut me off on the 405.  But I never did.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #121 on: February 16, 2018, 04:34:54 PM »
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #122 on: February 16, 2018, 04:42:35 PM »
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #123 on: February 16, 2018, 05:02:12 PM »
But would the fringe not be affected by any other violent media around?

Nobody seems to be in a hurry to blame violent movies or TV shows.

Uhhh. I did mention other media in my post.
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #124 on: February 16, 2018, 05:21:33 PM »
As I've said previously, there is no accurate statistics on firearm ownership because we don't have a comprehensive system of firearm registration in every state or nation-wide.  In California for example, DOJ did not even retain information on long gun transactions until 2014.  Prior to 1968 (GCA) serial numbers weren't even required for firearms, and only recently did we pass laws requiring serial numbers for home made firearms.

The kind of "statistics" that are often cited are compiled from telephone surveys.  They're inaccurate due to low level of public trust to these kind of cold calls.  If someone cold called me to ask what's in my gun safe, I'd tell them I don't own any and hang up.  Pro-gun rights publications are inclined to exaggerate ownership numbers versus pro-gun control outlets, like those under Bloomberg LP, are likely to understate the ownership numbers.

When Gallup did surveys on gun ownership, the results came out like this:
1983:  40%
1993:  51%
1999:  34%
2012:  45%
2015:  43%

Citing survey results as facts and figures is wishful thinking at best, pathological lying at worst.  Realistically I wouldn't even know how to calculate the number of 80% lower receivers sold and assembled off-record.  I've seen them advertised for as low as $33, complete kits for $60 w/jig kits.  When 3D milling machines become affordable people can just point and click to mill their own components at home.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #125 on: February 16, 2018, 05:33:42 PM »
The more  deleterious effect on mental health that I can see is older citizens watching too much Fox News ...

 A Rigorous Scientific Look Into The 'Fox News Effect'



In 2012, a Fairleigh Dickinson University survey reported that Fox News viewers were less informed about current events than people who didn't follow the news at all. The survey had asked current events questions like "Which party has the most seats in the House of Representatives?" and also asked what source of news people followed. The Fox viewers' current events scores were in the basement. This finding was immediately trumpeted by the liberal media—by Fox, not so much—and has since become known as the Fox News effect. It conjures the image of Fox News as a black hole that sucks facts out of viewers' heads.

I have done similar surveys, both of current events and more general knowledge. In my research too, Fox News viewers scored the lowest of over 30 popular news sources (though Fox viewers did at least score better than those saying they didn't follow the news). The chart’s horizontal black lines with tick marks indicate the margins of statistical error. Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, a news satire, had the best-informed viewers.

Stereotypes aside, it's not that Fox News viewers live in a bubble and get all their news from that one source. The average Fox viewer listed 4.5 other source of news they regularly followed. Many also got news from the major broadcast networks, Facebook, and the liberal news channel MSNBC. Nevertheless, those who listed Fox News as one of their news sources had overall lower levels of knowledge on the factual questions. Fox viewers were less likely to know the capital of Canada, the religion of the Dalai Lama, or the size of the Federal budget. They couldn't find South Carolina on map or name the second digit of pi.

The Fox News effect is a correlation. It doesn't prove that watching Fox News causes people to be ill-informed.

Causes are much trickier to establish. I will give my guesses (along with the warning that they're only guesses). The first thing to realize is that every news medium has its own audience demographics. It's no secret to advertisers that the average Fox News viewer has less formal education and income than the average New York Times reader.

The Times is urban and urbane; Fox is small-town/suburban and populist. Fox competes directly against hundreds of other cable channels and has established a specialized niche in its media ecology. Fox trades in stories about the venality of big government, liberal overreach and little-guy heroes of the heartland. A large share of Fox stories deftly push emotional buttons (lest the viewer push the buttons on his or her remote…)

This format has been successful, but it has drawbacks. There's a lot that goes on in the world that doesn't easily fit the Fox template. There are important stories that don't make anyone angry, prove liberals are evil or otherwise carry an emotional punch. Fox viewers get less of them. Fox News is like an all-you-can-eat buffet, serving up red meat. A more balanced diet might be healthier in the long run.


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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #126 on: February 16, 2018, 05:38:38 PM »
This is an older article before OReilly and Ailes were fired ...  from a competing outlet -- but most of what they say here rings true ..

Fox News and the anxious elderly

"Viewers don't want to be informed. Viewers want to feel informed."

Those are the words of Chet Collier, one of the founders of Fox News, as quoted in Gabriel Sherman's new biography of Roger Ailes, the network's chief.
Mission apparently accomplished: Fox is the most-watched cable news network, and yet, some surveys suggest that people who rely on Fox as their primary information source know less about current events than people who watch no news at all.

But to jab at Fox for inaccuracy is to miss Fox's purpose. Fox has created an information community. We used to say, "Everybody's entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." In a mass media age, what counted as "fact" was defined by a few great national institutions: a small group of prestigious newspapers, a pair of leading news magazines, a trio of television broadcasters.


Dissenters had a difficult time reaching any kind of large audience -- or even identifying who their audience might be.

Advancing technology opened new possibilities, and Sherman's biography deftly tells the story of how it happened.

The launch of CNN inspired NBC to create a cable news channel of its own, CNBC. Roger Ailes -- a former TV producer who had emerged as the most successful Republican campaign consultant of the 1980s -- was hired to run CNBC. After he lost an internal power struggle, Ailes joined Rupert Murdoch's Fox network.

And the rest, as they say, is history.

Before Fox, news programmers had struggled with the question of what their product was. Did it include health information, and if so, how much? Weather? Financial information? Human interest? Political opinion? Ailes built his new channel upon a very different question: who is my product for?


The largest generation in American history, the baby boomers, were reaching deep middle age by the mid-1990s. They were beginning to share an experience familiar to all who pass age 50: living in a country very different from the one they had been born into.

Fox offered them a new virtual environment in which they could feel more at home than they did in the outside world. Fox was carefully designed to look like a TV show from the 1970s: no holograms, no urban hipster studios, lots of primary colors.


In other respects too, Fox offered a path back to a vanishing past. Here was a place in which men were firmly in charge, and in which women were valued most for their physical attractiveness. Here was a place in which ethnic minorities appeared only in secondary roles -- and then, with brave exceptions, only to affirm the rightness of the opinions of the white males in the primary roles.

Back in the 1970s, students of public opinion had noticed a strange anomaly: in the very years, 1967-1973, when trust in government, business, the military and organized religion most sharply declined, trust in television rose. Some speculated that TV as an institution had an inherently adversarial relationship to other institutions: TV enhanced its own credibility by denigrating the credibility of everything and everyone that wasn't TV.

That theory was coded into the DNA of Fox. Here, on this station, the chosen market segment could enjoy security and validation. Out there was depicted a hostile world of threats, danger, crime, and decaying values.

In the nearly two decades since the launch of Fox, the average age of the viewers has increased -- and so has their alienation from a country that twice elected Barack Obama to the presidency.

Economic prospects have narrowed and darkened for middle-income people. First the stock market, then the housing market, then the gold market bubbled and burst -- taking the savings of the unwary with them. Americans in their 60s have reason to worry about the stability of Social Security and Medicare.

New claims on government assistance -- unemployment insurance, health care spending on under-65s -- can be seen as drains on resources that would otherwise flow to the over-65s.

The question famously associated with Fox News' Bill O'Reilly, "Who's looking out for you?" resonates especially powerfully in the ears of the economically anxious elderly in a rapidly changing country.

Gabriel Sherman tells eyebrow-raising stories about Roger Ailes. Always a man who kept enemies' lists, Ailes has -- in Sherman's account -- succumbed to increasing apprehension as he has gained increasing power. His office is secured with a double set of locked and coded doors. His country home features a panic room. Former employees report being followed and suspect their e-mail has been read. The anxiety that permeates Fox News' broadcasts emanates authentically from the man at the top. Yet it speaks also to something pervasive in Fox's audience too.

Like talk radio before it, but even more intensely, Fox offered information programmed not as a stream of randomly connected facts, but as a means of self-definition and a refuge from a hostile external reality. Fox is a news medium that functions as a social medium.

How this new kind of TV news was built, and at what price, is the story painstakingly narrated by Gabriel Sherman in his indispensable book. What to think of this new kind of information entity is up to you. He only reports. You'll have to decide.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #127 on: February 16, 2018, 05:44:51 PM »
As I've said previously, there is no accurate statistics on firearm ownership because we don't have a comprehensive system of firearm registration in every state or nation-wide.  In California for example, DOJ did not even retain information on long gun transactions until 2014.  Prior to 1968 (GCA) serial numbers weren't even required for firearms, and only recently did we pass laws requiring serial numbers for home made firearms.

The kind of "statistics" that are often cited are compiled from telephone surveys.  They're inaccurate due to low level of public trust to these kind of cold calls.  If someone cold called me to ask what's in my gun safe, I'd tell them I don't own any and hang up.  Pro-gun rights publications are inclined to exaggerate ownership numbers versus pro-gun control outlets, like those under Bloomberg LP, are likely to understate the ownership numbers.

When Gallup did surveys on gun ownership, the results came out like this:
1983:  40%
1993:  51%
1999:  34%
2012:  45%
2015:  43%

Citing survey results as facts and figures is wishful thinking at best, pathological lying at worst.  Realistically I wouldn't even know how to calculate the number of 80% lower receivers sold and assembled off-record.  I've seen them advertised for as low as $33, complete kits for $60 w/jig kits.  When 3D milling machines become affordable people can just point and click to mill their own components at home.

Good post

and herein  lies the problem -- if you can measure and track gun ownership , how do you even begin to solve this complex problem.  We can register cars , boats , motorcycles, and track them down --- why cant we do the same for all guns sold. 

Criminals will always find a way to buy illegal guns just as criminals will find a way to buy illegal cars.  But that doesn't mean we throw our hands up and stop doing anything about it.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #128 on: February 16, 2018, 05:58:45 PM »
Maybe somebody should start a Fox News thread so you can guys can talk about it as a stand-alone subject.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #129 on: February 16, 2018, 06:05:38 PM »
If this was in the hood people won’t care or the media wouldn’t cover that much.
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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #130 on: February 16, 2018, 07:40:20 PM »
If you drill past the headline number you can tease out some truth.

The truth about gun deaths: numbers and actual solutions

First of all, look at the number of gun deaths on that chart from 2011. It’s 32,351. That’s a lot of gun deaths to be sure. So that’s the total number of murders by gun owners, right? The answer is not only Hell No, but it’s not even remotely close. It’s true that this figure is close to the total number of human lives ended in incidents involving a gun, but that’s all incidents. So how did those deaths happen?

Straight from the CDC where most of the media is drawing their numbers (while not as good of a source as the FBI or the Justice Department) we can find out that of those 32,352 gun deaths, 21,175 of them were suicides. That leaves us with 11,177 deaths to account for. But as it turns out, the FBI records that 8,583 deaths were murders of various sorts involving guns of all types. The remaining roughly 2,500 were accounted for by accidents and unintentional injuries. These include hunting accidents, toddlers getting hold of unsecured weapons and shooting somebody or just plain idiots who proved Darwin right.

Take a good look at those numbers. Of the actual 8,583 gun murders committed in 2011, 323 were committed with “rifles.” And that’s all rifles, including bolt action, deer hunting rifles and all the rest. The number committed with so called “assault rifles” were a fraction of that. When you ask how dangerous those rifles are, compare that to nearly 1,700 who were stabbed as well as nearly 500 murdered with blunt objects and and more than 700 beaten to death by somebody with their bare hands. Enough said on that topic.

https://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/04/the-truth-about-gun-deaths-numbers-and-actual-solutions/

Of course, the gun confiscation advocates know that only a tiny fraction of gun deaths are related to assault rifle use.  They talk incessantly about assault rifles despite their virtual irrelevance in gun deaths because they think it is a photogenic prop to disguise their real agenda which is to ban all guns. Assault rifles are used as the camel's nose under the tent which they hope to use to bring the whole camel into the tent. Same way Dems use DACA as a photogenic prop when DACA only represents a tiny percentage of total illegal immigrants. Dems hope that DACA will be the camel's nose that gets the whole camel (all illegals) into the tent.


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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #131 on: February 16, 2018, 09:15:08 PM »
Maybe somebody should start a Fox News thread so you can guys can talk about it as a stand-alone subject.
This is a partisan hack thread and nothing more.  Those members cant wait for stuff like this to happen (kids dying) so they can spread their hate more.  Its sick.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #132 on: February 16, 2018, 09:20:12 PM »
Some people really need therapy  ... I wish them all the best in fighting their persecution complex

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #133 on: February 16, 2018, 09:41:15 PM »
What is the rationale for non-military/law enforcement owning an AR-15 type weapon, other than it's a very effective weapon?  The statistics on deaths caused by long rifles do not reflect that a single person with an AR-15 type weapon can kill many with very little difficulty.  The AR-15 is easy to shoot, easy to modify, and easy to maintain, as per the needs of the military it was designed for.  It should not be in the hands of the general public.  If limiting the sales of these weapons will prevent one school shooting, or even decrease the number of deaths in an event, it is worth it.

The truth is, children are dying.  Many more are traumatized forever.  The argument that evil people will find a way doesn't fly with me.  Maybe if it took a few weeks longer for this kid to get a weapon, someone could have caught him.  These families are shattered, we owe it to them to do something.  I think it needs to be addressed on multiple fronts, from gun control laws, to armed guards at schools, even to changing the way we design schools.  It really is only a matter of time before something happens much closer to home.

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Re: Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
« Reply #134 on: February 17, 2018, 07:37:31 AM »
What is the rationale for non-military/law enforcement owning an AR-15 type weapon, other than it's a very effective weapon?  The statistics on deaths caused by long rifles do not reflect that a single person with an AR-15 type weapon can kill many with very little difficulty.  The AR-15 is easy to shoot, easy to modify, and easy to maintain, as per the needs of the military it was designed for.  It should not be in the hands of the general public.  If limiting the sales of these weapons will prevent one school shooting, or even decrease the number of deaths in an event, it is worth it.

The truth is, children are dying.  Many more are traumatized forever.  The argument that evil people will find a way doesn't fly with me.  Maybe if it took a few weeks longer for this kid to get a weapon, someone could have caught him.  These families are shattered, we owe it to them to do something.  I think it needs to be addressed on multiple fronts, from gun control laws, to armed guards at schools, even to changing the way we design schools.  It really is only a matter of time before something happens much closer to home.

AR 15 civilian owners are a protected , coddled class

This is the affirmative action hiding in plain sight

The most mind boggling stat is 3 percent of Americans own half the guns in this country

That 3 percent has more power than images of dead kids and their crying parents on the TV screen every few weeks

Are we still a democracy ?


 

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