Author Topic: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine  (Read 622752 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ob1

  • Yearning for 949 / 714
  • **
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 34
  • -Received: 72
  • Posts: 306
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2014, 09:02:56 AM »
And what a great day for the city of Irvine to choose deserving people over the potential of another dollar.

You want to really increase the value of homes in the GP area, then return to the original great park plan instead of the commercialized excuse for a park consisting of a golf course.

Is this a joke? All your emotional words ain't working. (deserving people, freedom)

The emotional words are working for me.
I'm a retired Marine, though, so I'm biased.

But, let me get this straight, you're OK with a toxic plume, but not a veteran's memorial? 

Offline eyephone

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 499
  • -Received: 782
  • Posts: 15054
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2014, 09:17:52 AM »
And what a great day for the city of Irvine to choose deserving people over the potential of another dollar.

You want to really increase the value of homes in the GP area, then return to the original great park plan instead of the commercialized excuse for a park consisting of a golf course.

Is this a joke? All your emotional words ain't working. (deserving people, freedom)

The emotional words are working for me.
I'm a retired Marine, though, so I'm biased.

But, let me get this straight, you're OK with a toxic plume, but not a veteran's memorial?

So every closed base there should be a military memorial? Should there be a memorial or something to honor them for farm workers, farmers, factory workers, etc..?

Offline irvinehomeshopper

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 531
  • -Received: 988
  • Posts: 3424
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2014, 09:45:29 AM »
Applaud for the Five Points thinking about what is right for People rather than what is right for the pocket book. I am glad that finally a sliver of Irvine finally has some sort of dignity.
"I can only imagine at a house warming party what a total embarrassment it would be to tell the guests that there is no tour because there is no more house to show you because you are standing in the only room in the house. "

Offline .

  • O.C. Resident
  • ***
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 140
  • -Received: 73
  • Posts: 790
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2014, 09:57:20 AM »
And what a great day for the city of Irvine to choose deserving people over the potential of another dollar.

You want to really increase the value of homes in the GP area, then return to the original great park plan instead of the commercialized excuse for a park consisting of a golf course.

Is this a joke? All your emotional words ain't working. (deserving people, freedom)

The emotional words are working for me.
I'm a retired Marine, though, so I'm biased.

But, let me get this straight, you're OK with a toxic plume, but not a veteran's memorial?

I have respect for veteran/soldier and I understand what they sacrifice to bring peace.  I support to have a veteran cemetery. 

However, why in Irvine?  We, Asian, are afraid of ghost and Irvine is 40~50% Asian.  Why can't the veteran cemetery in the Non-Asian community?

Offline qwerty

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 2748
  • -Received: 1841
  • Posts: 8017
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2014, 09:59:53 AM »
This is probably not going to come off as very PC but I've never been a big fan if honoring one group of people over another, like eye phone said, why should a soldiers life be considered more honorable than a janitor, retail clerk, fast food worker, white collar worker, etc. also, let's not pretend that most soldiers join the military because they love this country and want to protect it. There probably are some but most aren't that altruistic. A lot of soldiers are people who were not, by societies standard, very smart and had no other choice but to join the military. I will say though that I don't think a lot of soldiers are appropriately taken care of by the govt when they come back after actually serving in actual combat.

Offline qwerty

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 2748
  • -Received: 1841
  • Posts: 8017
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2014, 10:00:58 AM »
Ok. I can't take an argument seriously when u bring up ghosts.

jmoney74

  • Guest
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2014, 10:11:27 AM »
Ok. I can't take an argument seriously when u bring up ghosts.

How do the homes sell around Rose Hills?

Offline ob1

  • Yearning for 949 / 714
  • **
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 34
  • -Received: 72
  • Posts: 306
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2014, 10:18:56 AM »
This is probably not going to come off as very PC but I've never been a big fan if honoring one group of people over another, like eye phone said, why should a soldiers life be considered more honorable than a janitor, retail clerk, fast food worker, white collar worker, etc. also, let's not pretend that most soldiers join the military because they love this country and want to protect it. There probably are some but most aren't that altruistic. A lot of soldiers are people who were not, by societies standard, very smart and had no other choice but to join the military. I will say though that I don't think a lot of soldiers are appropriately taken care of by the govt when they come back after actually serving in actual combat.

Couldn't your comments could apply equally to police and firemen?

Regardless of their motives, or level of intelligence, they volunteered and gave their lives fighting for your freedom to do things like express your thoughts and feelings on message boards.

If a janitor or farmer sacrificed their lives, yes, it would be appropriate for the benefited to show their appreciation.
Since, you and I and all americans have benefited from the veterans' sacrifice, it is appropriate for all of us to show our appreciation.  IMO 

Unfortunately, most people have no idea what others have sacrificed and assume they are simply entitled to everything this country provides. 

You cannot force anyone to be appreciative, so I won't try.  But realize that your freedom was not a gift, it was hard fought and won. 

Offline qwerty

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 2748
  • -Received: 1841
  • Posts: 8017
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2014, 10:31:11 AM »
I do feel the same way about police officers and firefighters.  And I do think intent should be considered. Who should I be more grateful to,  a screw up, who had no where else to go, joins the military and ends up in fighting in a war or someone like pat Tillman who could have played in the nfl and made the choice to go fight for his country. That i think is truly honorable, the other guy not so much.

Offline eyephone

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 499
  • -Received: 782
  • Posts: 15054
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2014, 10:38:22 AM »
This is probably not going to come off as very PC but I've never been a big fan if honoring one group of people over another, like eye phone said, why should a soldiers life be considered more honorable than a janitor, retail clerk, fast food worker, white collar worker, etc. also, let's not pretend that most soldiers join the military because they love this country and want to protect it. There probably are some but most aren't that altruistic. A lot of soldiers are people who were not, by societies standard, very smart and had no other choice but to join the military. I will say though that I don't think a lot of soldiers are appropriately taken care of by the govt when they come back after actually serving in actual combat.

Couldn't your comments could apply equally to police and firemen?

Regardless of their motives, or level of intelligence, they volunteered and gave their lives fighting for your freedom to do things like express your thoughts and feelings on message boards.

If a janitor or farmer sacrificed their lives, yes, it would be appropriate for the benefited to show their appreciation.
Since, you and I and all americans have benefited from the veterans' sacrifice, it is appropriate for all of us to show our appreciation.  IMO 

Unfortunately, most people have no idea what others have sacrificed and assume they are simply entitled to everything this country provides. 

You cannot force anyone to be appreciative, so I won't try.  But realize that your freedom was not a gift, it was hard fought and won.

The US BENEFITED from cheap food/vegetables. Due to the cheap labor of farm workers. Do you think it's fun working in the sun or poor working conditions or working for less than minimum wage? I never heard of them complaining for a memorial.

Another thing I would like to add: farm workers who picked vegetables are exposed to pesticides
« Last Edit: July 28, 2014, 10:59:31 AM by eyephone »

Offline qwerty

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 2748
  • -Received: 1841
  • Posts: 8017
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2014, 10:55:38 AM »
This is probably not going to come off as very PC but I've never been a big fan if honoring one group of people over another, like eye phone said, why should a soldiers life be considered more honorable than a janitor, retail clerk, fast food worker, white collar worker, etc. also, let's not pretend that most soldiers join the military because they love this country and want to protect it. There probably are some but most aren't that altruistic. A lot of soldiers are people who were not, by societies standard, very smart and had no other choice but to join the military. I will say though that I don't think a lot of soldiers are appropriately taken care of by the govt when they come back after actually serving in actual combat.

Couldn't your comments could apply equally to police and firemen?

Regardless of their motives, or level of intelligence, they volunteered and gave their lives fighting for your freedom to do things like express your thoughts and feelings on message boards.

If a janitor or farmer sacrificed their lives, yes, it would be appropriate for the benefited to show their appreciation.
Since, you and I and all americans have benefited from the veterans' sacrifice, it is appropriate for all of us to show our appreciation.  IMO 

Unfortunately, most people have no idea what others have sacrificed and assume they are simply entitled to everything this country provides. 

You cannot force anyone to be appreciative, so I won't try.  But realize that your freedom was not a gift, it was hard fought and won.

The US BENEFITED from cheap food/vegetables. Due to the cheap labor of farm workers. Do you think it's fun working in the sun or poor working conditions or working for less than minimum wage? I never heard of them complaining for a memorial.

i grew up in a farming community where it gets to 120 degrees in the summer.  these guys bust their ass for minimum wage or less wearing long sleeve shirts because the direct sun is even worse.  my dad was also a laborer. blew out his back in his late 40s from constantly being bent over picking vegetables his whole life making minimum wage. he also severed the tips of two fingers. blown out back and severed finger tips, made for a great quality of life up until he died in 2012, like eyephone said, where is his memorial?

Offline irvinehomeshopper

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 531
  • -Received: 988
  • Posts: 3424
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #56 on: July 28, 2014, 11:26:24 AM »
It didn't during the 70's when the Rose Hill community started. No Asians live in Whittier! They all live all around the Holy Temple in Hacienda Hts.

Ok. I can't take an argument seriously when u bring up ghosts.

How do the homes sell around Rose Hills?
"I can only imagine at a house warming party what a total embarrassment it would be to tell the guests that there is no tour because there is no more house to show you because you are standing in the only room in the house. "

Offline ob1

  • Yearning for 949 / 714
  • **
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 34
  • -Received: 72
  • Posts: 306
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2014, 11:33:12 AM »
It's a sad commentary that you believe picking vegetables is comparable to war.

There is nothing I can do to talk sense to those so divorced from reality.
I don't mean that as a cheap insult, just that your comments reflect that you have aboslutely no idea what war is like.
That you have been spared the horror of war is completely lost on you.

The following member(s) thanked this post:


Offline qwerty

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 2748
  • -Received: 1841
  • Posts: 8017
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #58 on: July 28, 2014, 11:50:30 AM »
It's a sad commentary that you believe picking vegetables is comparable to war.

There is nothing I can do to talk sense to those so divorced from reality.
I don't mean that as a cheap insult, just that your comments reflect that you have aboslutely no idea what war is like.
That you have been spared the horror of war is completely lost on you.



i think you are trying to get others to embrace your thoughts and beliefs.  its too bad you cant see that everyone is different and value different things.  i value all humans the same, you apparently dont. and thats fine. we are all entitled to our own opinions. just dont try to push them on me or others.

The following member(s) thanked this post:

.

Offline qwerty

  • Certified Irvine Addict
  • ****
  • Thanks
  • -Given: 2748
  • -Received: 1841
  • Posts: 8017
Re: Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine
« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2014, 11:52:09 AM »
It's a sad commentary that you believe picking vegetables is comparable to war.

There is nothing I can do to talk sense to those so divorced from reality.
I don't mean that as a cheap insult, just that your comments reflect that you have aboslutely no idea what war is like.
That you have been spared the horror of war is completely lost on you.



the fact that you have food on your table is completely lost on you.

 

Talk Irvine Links

[Recent Posts]
[FAQ / Rules]

Site Supporters



Recent Posts

Re: Short Rivian? by The California Court Company
[Yesterday at 08:55:50 PM]


Re: Whittier: New SFH in Portola by CalBears96
[Yesterday at 08:28:29 PM]


Re: Whittier: New SFH in Portola by Cares
[Yesterday at 08:02:31 PM]


Re: coronavirus by eyephone
[Yesterday at 05:15:29 PM]


Re: Whittier: New SFH in Portola by CalBears96
[Yesterday at 04:27:58 PM]

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2022, SimplePortal