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Title: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 23, 2022, 04:20:00 PM
We've discussed this before but that was more what your current situation is.

This one is what you prefer and maybe what you think will be the future of business as we know it.

For the team I'm on, they prefer full time remote. Prior to Covid, they would always ask to work remote but I was more of an in-office type of person. But once Covid hit and I got used to using the collaboration tools, chat and video calls... I became a remote convert.

If you are new at a company or you have a certain position, working in-office has its advantages, but I think once you have an established team/setting/position, I would think most would like to be remote just because of the convenience and balance.

There is a discussion in the Housing Analysis that we will shift back to in-office work but I don't think so. I think now that everyone who can work remote has gotten a taste of at least a year's worth of remote work, they may never go back to full time in-office.

Edit: Typos.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: CalBears96 on February 23, 2022, 04:53:20 PM
I actually prefer working in the office, or at least hybrid office. Sure, you can accomplish things with collaboration tools and conference calls, but you can't replace the convenience of the office environment. Unless you have a toxic working environment.  ;D
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: akkord on February 23, 2022, 05:18:09 PM
Our team is remote, my manager doesn't want to go in nor do I, even though my office is only a few miles away, we'll go in if the guys at the very top force us.  Our team still gets together every couple months for drinks/dinner or a bbq. 
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on February 23, 2022, 08:48:51 PM
I work remotely....just go from home to home to home etc etc etc
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on February 23, 2022, 11:27:43 PM
I work remotely....just go from home to home to home etc etc etc

Now that's working for home... other people's homes. :)
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: daedalus on February 23, 2022, 11:57:09 PM
My wfh/office balance is just about perfect.  I cycle through periods of both, and just about when I get tired of 1, I cycle to the other.  I prefer to spend most of my time in the office.  The work is more interesting there and the hours fly by (hourly pay).  But it's also tiring.  WFH is a bit more leisurely, and I get to "recharge" when I wfh, but it's also not quite as interesting.  I've never liked commuting and have always lived close to work.  Door to door in about 10 minutes on average. 
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: moc on February 24, 2022, 02:21:15 PM
I actually prefer working in the office, or at least hybrid office. Sure, you can accomplish things with collaboration tools and conference calls, but you can't replace the convenience of the office environment. Unless you have a toxic working environment.  ;D

Agree completely. 1-2 days a week at home and 3-4 in the office has been the perfect balance for me.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on February 25, 2022, 10:31:04 AM
Been in the office the whole time.  Sitting at my desk, in a suit and tie.  I have had work from home for a decade...only use it from the back of my boat in the summer in Catalina or when out of town... Cant work at home, just not productive there.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: eyephone on February 25, 2022, 11:10:33 AM
When you sell insurance products you dont have to be in the office. hahaha
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on February 25, 2022, 11:20:11 AM
When you sell insurance products you dont have to be in the office. hahaha

So you stayed out then?
;D ;D >:D
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: eyephone on February 25, 2022, 11:22:11 AM
I am not the one selling insurance. haha
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on February 25, 2022, 11:23:08 AM
I am not the one selling insurance. haha

Me too, what's your point?
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: eyephone on February 25, 2022, 11:27:37 AM
I thought you said you are also licensed to sell insurance products. (or maybe it was someone else)
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on February 25, 2022, 12:01:00 PM
I thought you said you are also licensed to sell insurance products. (or maybe it was someone else)

I have licenses to move lots of stuff....commodities, stocks, bonds, insurance, futures, options forex...you name it. Doesn't mean I do any one in particular.  I specialize in stocks and options. 
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: eyephone on February 25, 2022, 12:04:49 PM
So I was right again and agane
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on February 25, 2022, 12:07:18 PM
So I was right again and agane

I am licensed but I really don't sell any insurance products. Why you feeling sick? ;D ;D >:D
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: eyephone on February 25, 2022, 12:27:18 PM
Another lie and false allegation that I am feeling sick.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: eyephone on February 25, 2022, 12:27:46 PM
Modcheck
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on February 25, 2022, 07:11:15 PM
Another lie and false allegation that I am feeling sick.

Just askin, was concerned…do you need some insurance?..I know a guy.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: OCtoSV on March 04, 2022, 08:54:34 AM
Remote work era entering it's twilight

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/google-tells-employees-to-return-to-offices-in-april.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/google-tells-employees-to-return-to-offices-in-april.html)
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 04, 2022, 09:56:28 AM
Remote work era entering it's twilight

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/google-tells-employees-to-return-to-offices-in-april.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/google-tells-employees-to-return-to-offices-in-april.html)

Still some remote, the article says it's a hybrid program.

My relative's company went full remote... his CEO sold his SoCal home and moved out of state (ala morekaos).
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 08, 2022, 11:59:49 AM
Higher gas, company returning to office, there could be a shift in demand; more people would want to move closer to work.

If Russia shuts the gas to Europe and the US moves forward with a Russian oil embargo, which seems to be the news this a.m., this thread will be interesting to track over the next 12-18 mo.

Or more people will look to work at companies that offer a work from home option.

I respect your guys' opinions but this is a fast moving topic as well. The big companies up here want people back, and remote workers that moved out of the area i.e. true remote will see a rapid reversal of tolerance for the practice, and perhaps even be forced into renting apts near the office to satisfy corp reqs (worst case scenario that I've seen too many co-workers have to endure that tried to make remote work prior). Perhaps Twitter for those that absolutely must WFH:
https://deadline.com/2022/03/apple-google-twitter-set-return-to-work-policies-1234972162/ (https://deadline.com/2022/03/apple-google-twitter-set-return-to-work-policies-1234972162/)

I personally have been mulling the move down south for over a year, and it would be hugely accretive to my retirement fund, however the broader my network grows and the more senior my role and those I interact with become lead me to 2 observations: 1) actual tangible visibility to exec mgt matters until you've reached the level you feel you have maxed out at; 2) it would be career suicide for me to go remote in terms of taking myself out of the local pool of talent, where RSUs can be dictated by location but also new opptys seem to appear out of thin air if you nurture your network.

I moved this quote here due to relevancy.

I think this depends.

Younger people who started working in a remote environment may just prefer it overall and if there is demand from talent to be remote, companies will have to provide that option.

Then there are the older experienced people who always worked in office but then got used to remove from Covid... and don't want to go back. That will also make companies have to keep that in mind.

Add to that the benefits of lower office cost, more agile workforce (in theory) and I think it's too late to put the WFH genie back in the bottle.

At a smaller company, a local office is fine... but when you work for a larger one, and everyone is all over anyways... a need for a conference room or to meet clients is probably all the space required.

As much as I was a proponent for onsite work only... if your department/team/whatever/position can function remotely, why go back in?
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: paydawg on March 08, 2022, 12:40:22 PM



As much as I was a proponent for onsite work only... if your department/team/whatever/position can function remotely, why go back in?

Because your spouse doesn't want you working at home anymore   ;D
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: CalBears96 on March 08, 2022, 01:22:06 PM



As much as I was a proponent for onsite work only... if your department/team/whatever/position can function remotely, why go back in?

Because your spouse doesn't want you working at home anymore   ;D

Well, my wife wants me to work at home because then I could help wash and cut the vegetables for her.  ;D
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: sleepy5136 on March 09, 2022, 01:26:55 AM
Remote work era entering it's twilight

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/google-tells-employees-to-return-to-offices-in-april.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/google-tells-employees-to-return-to-offices-in-april.html)

If this does become the norm for companies in the near future, watch out for RE prices in areas like TX, AZ, etc. Ppl literally moved out of SV to avoid HCOL.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: akkord on March 09, 2022, 06:24:08 AM
Didn't Twitter say work from wherever you want.  We went in 1 day a week for a month or so in Sept/Oct, then the whole team went remote again.  I can see us doing a 1 day a week thing or maybe every couple of weeks, no one on our team wants to go in. 
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: qwerty on March 09, 2022, 09:46:46 AM
Large multinational generally don’t have a good argument to go back into the office other than “that’s what we are used to”. Clearly remote works.

Damn I hate agreeing with IHO.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: Soylent Green Is People on March 09, 2022, 10:12:01 AM
We're being called back later this month, but in a smaller building. Company quit their big leased office for a less expensive one nearby. The hybrid work environment will be here to stay, certainly when it's $6.00 per gallon to commute, and commercial real estate PPSF stays as high as it is. It makes zero financial sense to do otherwise.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: Ready2Downsize on March 09, 2022, 11:58:49 AM
Remote work era entering it's twilight

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/google-tells-employees-to-return-to-offices-in-april.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/google-tells-employees-to-return-to-offices-in-april.html)





If this does become the norm for companies in the near future, watch out for RE prices in areas like TX, AZ, etc. Ppl literally moved out of SV to avoid HCOL.

People been moving to AZ for years, way before the pandemic. Lots of businesses are going there, chip companies, EV, amazon, etc. That increase in population because of jobs has led to increased household formation.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 09, 2022, 03:36:02 PM
Large multinational generally don’t have a good argument to go back into the office other than “that’s what we are used to”. Clearly remote works.

Damn I hate agreeing with IHO.

We are ab brothers after all.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: sleepy5136 on March 09, 2022, 08:36:43 PM
Remote work era entering it's twilight

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/google-tells-employees-to-return-to-offices-in-april.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/google-tells-employees-to-return-to-offices-in-april.html)






If this does become the norm for companies in the near future, watch out for RE prices in areas like TX, AZ, etc. Ppl literally moved out of SV to avoid HCOL.

People been moving to AZ for years, way before the pandemic. Lots of businesses are going there, chip companies, EV, amazon, etc. That increase in population because of jobs has led to increased household formation.
The pandemic has led to folks living in HCOL to move to lower cost of living areas.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on March 09, 2022, 09:46:39 PM
I think a lot of companies who will remain remote and/or mostly remote will be looked upon favorably by employees.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: Kenkoko on March 09, 2022, 09:54:49 PM
My company went almost the full circle.

From  full remote -> hybrid -> management pushing everyone back into the office -> huge pushback from employees -> back to hybrid -> now 90% remote

I think remote is here to stay for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: qwerty on March 09, 2022, 10:37:01 PM
My company went almost the full circle.

From  full remote -> hybrid -> management pushing everyone back into the office -> huge pushback from employees -> back to hybrid -> now 90% remote

I think remote is here to stay for the foreseeable future.

I think this it will play out this way for a lot of companies. Not sure what the catalyst would be to get people back into the office.  I probably work more because I work from home than I would if had to go to the office.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: CalBears96 on March 09, 2022, 10:48:36 PM
My company went almost the full circle.

From  full remote -> hybrid -> management pushing everyone back into the office -> huge pushback from employees -> back to hybrid -> now 90% remote

I think remote is here to stay for the foreseeable future.

My company did this:

March 2020 - May 2020 - full remote
May 2020 - July 2020 - 25% (team A go in for 2 weeks, then team B for 2 weeks, etc.)
July 2020 - July 2021 - 50% (teams A/B go in for 2 weeks, then teams C/D for 2 weeks)
July 2021 - Jan 2022 - full office
Jan 2022 - Last Friday - 50% again due to Omicron
This Monday - ??? - full office again

No pushback from employees because our CEO was having none of that.  :P We have vaccine mandate, so probably 98%+ of the employees are fully vaccinated + boosted. We had to upload proof of vaccination to internal website.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on March 18, 2022, 08:43:11 AM
A friend of mine is involved in office space planning for her company and she and her team wants to stay remote so she doesn't know how to tell her company that she doesn't need an office or team area.

She's asking for a team huddle room that other teams can use as it will only be used several times a month (if that).
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on March 25, 2022, 05:11:50 PM
Welcome back!!…what no bidet?…. ;D ;D >:D

Irate Google workers lash out at execs for cutting WFH staff salaries during heated town hall meeting - while those returning to tech titan's California HQ are furious the BIDETS are being removed from restrooms

Google execs faced a barrage of compensation questions at recent town hall
Employee satisfaction with compensation plunged in recent internal survey
Google has been adjusting salaries to match local markets for remote workers
Meanwhile, staff returning to HQ are upset that bidets are disappearing
The luxurious bathroom perk runs afoul of Google's efforts to conserve water

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10653671/Irate-Google-workers-lash-compensation-removal-office-bidets.html
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on March 25, 2022, 07:49:28 PM
Welcome back!!…what no bidet?…. ;D ;D >:D

Irate Google workers lash out at execs for cutting WFH staff salaries during heated town hall meeting - while those returning to tech titan's California HQ are furious the BIDETS are being removed from restrooms

Google execs faced a barrage of compensation questions at recent town hall
Employee satisfaction with compensation plunged in recent internal survey
Google has been adjusting salaries to match local markets for remote workers
Meanwhile, staff returning to HQ are upset that bidets are disappearing
The luxurious bathroom perk runs afoul of Google's efforts to conserve water

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10653671/Irate-Google-workers-lash-compensation-removal-office-bidets.html

Oh the humanity!!!
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: OCtoSV on March 28, 2022, 09:31:39 AM
Bay Area moving to OC can expect minimum 25% comp cut, probably more like 40-50% when factoring in promotion inertia
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: chromatin on March 28, 2022, 10:46:21 AM
I work for a company based in SF (hired during covid) I have a 10% cut from the salaries of my peers in SF.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: OCtoSV on March 28, 2022, 11:04:23 AM
That's not bad! Are you early in your career or 5+ yrs experienced?
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: chromatin on March 28, 2022, 11:45:21 AM
5+ years in my career California remote for us is 90%, Utah is 80%, Texas/Florida is 70%
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: OCtoSV on March 28, 2022, 12:59:55 PM
What many people don't realize is the comp figures are based on the geo market comp averages, not cost of living. When I interview people from outside the Bay area I am always amazed at how low their salary ask is.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on April 11, 2022, 01:08:06 PM
Endgame....

Fed-up managers declare WFH is over, as 77% say they’d fire you or cut your pay for not coming back to the office

Working from home. It was fun while it lasted?

https://fortune.com/2022/04/07/remote-work-from-home-is-over-firing-pay-cut/
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 11, 2022, 02:06:58 PM
Endgame....

Not in my micro view... The Great Resignation is seeing the execs fold to demands for WFH... it cost way more to replace someone (esp a tenured worker) than to keep them (moreso if they are at home and don't require office space).

Caveat: This is more for tech/engineering types.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: Liar Loan on April 12, 2022, 12:44:21 PM
Endgame....

Not in my micro view... The Great Resignation is seeing the execs fold to demands for WFH... it cost way more to replace someone (esp a tenured worker) than to keep them (moreso if they are at home and don't require office space).

Caveat: This is more for tech/engineering types.


When unemployment reaches 8% the WFH calculus may change.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 12, 2022, 01:43:06 PM
Endgame....

Not in my micro view... The Great Resignation is seeing the execs fold to demands for WFH... it cost way more to replace someone (esp a tenured worker) than to keep them (moreso if they are at home and don't require office space).

Caveat: This is more for tech/engineering types.


When unemployment reaches 8% the WFH calculus may change.

Is this another one of these LL crystal ball moments that will shift later on? :)

Sure... things can change, but I view WFH like that genie that is out of the bottle.

Prior to Covid, people really wanted to WFH but were told they couldn't because of various reasons... infrastructure, type of job, lack of support, etc etc.

But when Covid forced people to WFH and they could actually still do their jobs (some less productive, some more productive) and then the staunch in-office people found out how much nice it was to WFH... it's very hard to go back.

If I could rewind time, and be WFH while my kids were younger... I would definitely do that without a second thought... I would seek out those type of jobs or push my current job to allow it.

Now I know why all our salespeople were "remote"... but also confirmed why everyone was so jealous of them.

I remember back before Covid when you hear those remote people talk about "Oh... but it's better to be in office", but ask them to stop being remote and they clam up.

The poll says it all... more people prefer remote (again, this also depends on what kind of job you have).
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: Liar Loan on April 12, 2022, 02:02:19 PM
Endgame....

Not in my micro view... The Great Resignation is seeing the execs fold to demands for WFH... it cost way more to replace someone (esp a tenured worker) than to keep them (moreso if they are at home and don't require office space).

Caveat: This is more for tech/engineering types.


When unemployment reaches 8% the WFH calculus may change.

Is this another one of these LL crystal ball moments that will shift later on? :)

Sure... things can change, but I view WFH like that genie that is out of the bottle.

Prior to Covid, people really wanted to WFH but were told they couldn't because of various reasons... infrastructure, type of job, lack of support, etc etc.

But when Covid forced people to WFH and they could actually still do their jobs (some less productive, some more productive) and then the staunch in-office people found out how much nice it was to WFH... it's very hard to go back.

If I could rewind time, and be WFH while my kids were younger... I would definitely do that without a second thought... I would seek out those type of jobs or push my current job to allow it.

Now I know why all our salespeople were "remote"... but also confirmed why everyone was so jealous of them.

I remember back before Covid when you hear those remote people talk about "Oh... but it's better to be in office", but ask them to stop being remote and they clam up.

The poll says it all... more people prefer remote (again, this also depends on what kind of job you have).

All I'm saying is right now employees have a lot of leverage, but when people are in fear of losing their jobs that leverage goes away.

I started working from home pre-pandemic and I would never want to go back to commuting and working in a dull, drab, gray office, so I can definitely sympathize with how these workers feel.  At some point, management will regain leverage on this issue and we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on April 12, 2022, 04:25:43 PM
Endgame....

Not in my micro view... The Great Resignation is seeing the execs fold to demands for WFH... it cost way more to replace someone (esp a tenured worker) than to keep them (moreso if they are at home and don't require office space).

Caveat: This is more for tech/engineering types.


When unemployment reaches 8% the WFH calculus may change.

Is this another one of these LL crystal ball moments that will shift later on? :)

Sure... things can change, but I view WFH like that genie that is out of the bottle.

Prior to Covid, people really wanted to WFH but were told they couldn't because of various reasons... infrastructure, type of job, lack of support, etc etc.

But when Covid forced people to WFH and they could actually still do their jobs (some less productive, some more productive) and then the staunch in-office people found out how much nice it was to WFH... it's very hard to go back.

If I could rewind time, and be WFH while my kids were younger... I would definitely do that without a second thought... I would seek out those type of jobs or push my current job to allow it.

Now I know why all our salespeople were "remote"... but also confirmed why everyone was so jealous of them.

I remember back before Covid when you hear those remote people talk about "Oh... but it's better to be in office", but ask them to stop being remote and they clam up.

The poll says it all... more people prefer remote (again, this also depends on what kind of job you have).

All I'm saying is right now employees have a lot of leverage, but when people are in fear of losing their jobs that leverage goes away.

I started working from home pre-pandemic and I would never want to go back to commuting and working in a dull, drab, gray office, so I can definitely sympathize with how these workers feel.  At some point, management will regain leverage on this issue and we'll see what happens.

From what I've heard from clients, the larger companies will probably want their employees to mostly come back to the office but small companies from the start-ups to mid-sized companies will be mostly WFH and use that as a job benefit to lure employees from the big companies.  I think it'll be a hybrid WFH world going forward.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on April 20, 2022, 09:32:10 AM
Now they have a new excuse...or maybe just a bitch... ;D ;D >:D

'I can't come to the office because of inflation!': Remote workers now claim skyrocketing cost of gas and childcare under Biden administration is making it too expensive for them to commute as they fight to work from home
Remote work proponents are blaming inflation for their need to stay home
Companies looking for workers to return to the office have been met with push-back from workers who claim their daily office routine is now too expensive
Workers have cited gas prices, now at an average of $4.33 per gallon, and increased childcare costs as reasons to stay home
They also allege eating at work is now too expensive due to food cost increases
Consumer prices reached 8.5 percent last month, nearly double what were in March 2021, and the highest inflation rate the U.S. has seen since 1981

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/20/business/return-to-office-inflation-covid.html
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on April 20, 2022, 10:31:05 AM
Twitter, Salesforce and other big companies still doing remote, some permanent:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/13/10-companies-that-switched-to-permanent-hybrid-or-remote-work-and-hiring-right-now.html

https://buildremote.co/companies/companies-going-remote-permanently/
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on April 30, 2022, 03:36:35 PM
…of course it is!…
 ;D ;D >:D
Ending WFH is 'RACIST'! Apple staff tell CEO Tim Cook that forcing them back to the office will make tech firm 'younger, whiter and more male-dominated'

'Apple Together,' a group of about 200 Apple employees, wrote an open letter on Friday condemning the company's choice to bring staffers back to its offices
CEO Tim Cook wrote in an email to staffers that they would need to work in the office one day a week, gradually ramping up to three days a week by mid-May
The group said that the shift back to in-person will make the company 'younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative [and] more able-bodied'
 They said it will lead to 'privileges' - like location, age, race and gender - 'deciding who can work for Apple, not who'd be the best fit'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10770827/Apple-staff-claim-forcing-work-person-lead-whiter-male-dominated-workforce.html
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: akula1488 on April 30, 2022, 05:06:29 PM
At least they didn't write an letter to Tim Cook that returning to office is anti LGBTQ+...

…of course it is!…
 ;D ;D >:D
Ending WFH is 'RACIST'! Apple staff tell CEO Tim Cook that forcing them back to the office will make tech firm 'younger, whiter and more male-dominated'

'Apple Together,' a group of about 200 Apple employees, wrote an open letter on Friday condemning the company's choice to bring staffers back to its offices
CEO Tim Cook wrote in an email to staffers that they would need to work in the office one day a week, gradually ramping up to three days a week by mid-May
The group said that the shift back to in-person will make the company 'younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative [and] more able-bodied'
 They said it will lead to 'privileges' - like location, age, race and gender - 'deciding who can work for Apple, not who'd be the best fit'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10770827/Apple-staff-claim-forcing-work-person-lead-whiter-male-dominated-workforce.html
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: daedalus on April 30, 2022, 05:46:18 PM
I am shocked there are that many idiots working at Apple.  Does "more neuro-normative" mean less crazy and entitled?  If so, I am all for it. 
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on April 30, 2022, 05:48:58 PM
Ending WFH is racist?  Oh man, that's funny.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: Kenkoko on April 30, 2022, 10:49:18 PM
A group of 200 Apple employees sounds like a lot on the news headline, but is it really?

Considering Apple has over 150,000 employees....That's 0.01%.

You can always find 0.01% people with extreme views in any group that size.

Tech remote work is getting politicized now mostly because tech employees tend to be predominantly liberal when it comes to politics.

Apple is on the extreme end of that spectrum, with 97.5% percent of employee donations going to Dems.

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/31/18039528/tech-employees-politics-liberal-employers-candidates (https://www.vox.com/2018/10/31/18039528/tech-employees-politics-liberal-employers-candidates)
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: CalBears96 on April 30, 2022, 11:37:25 PM
A group of 200 Apple employees sounds like a lot on the news headline, but is it really?

That's because it's not actual news headline.

Whenever you see a post from moretroll, you can be assured that it's from his source of misinformation: dailyfail
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on June 01, 2022, 07:21:55 AM
Get your butt back in a chair…recess is over…

Remote work is no longer acceptable': Elon Musk tells Tesla staff they face being fired unless they do 40 hours in the office before working from home

Tesla CEO Elon Musk told executive staff at the company they must work for at least 40 hours per week in the office 'or depart Tesla'
He sent in email with miss-spelt subject line 'remote work is no longer acceptble'
Musk said working in office for 40 hours is 'less than we ask of factory workers'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10874471/Elon-Musk-tells-Tesla-staff-face-fired-unless-40-hours-office.html
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 01, 2022, 02:03:50 PM
Not spell checking email is no longer acceptble.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: The California Court Company on June 01, 2022, 02:07:27 PM
lol they redacted the work email address of Elon but I would bet $100 it is elon@tesla.com since it is obviously 4 letters.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: Liar Loan on June 01, 2022, 02:15:52 PM
In lieu of announcing a company layoff, give people the choice of whether to "come back in" or quit.  Smart man.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: Compressed-Village on June 01, 2022, 02:43:53 PM
Quit, Elon wins. Fired, Elons pays severance.

Indeed smart.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on June 01, 2022, 03:41:36 PM
I don't think severance is required for layoffs or firing.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: CalBears96 on June 01, 2022, 04:08:20 PM
I don't think severance is required for layoffs or firing.

Yeah, severance is not required, but usually given for layoffs. Definitely not for being fired...unless you're an executive that ran the company to the ground.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: Compressed-Village on June 01, 2022, 04:49:10 PM
I don't think severance is required for layoffs or firing.

Yeah, severance is not required, but usually given for layoffs. Definitely not for being fired...unless you're an executive that ran the company to the ground.

Ha ha, golden parachute deploy.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: USCTrojanCPA on June 01, 2022, 05:43:23 PM
Elon does his own thing but I can see how more companies are going to want people back in the office.  The smart ones will stay remote and mostly remote and start hiring a good talent that is looking to stay remote. 
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: The California Court Company on June 01, 2022, 05:52:34 PM
there is also a second email with subject line “to be super clear”

He is basically saying in person collaboration is needed to come up with great new products, taking a dig at companies that have not yet been mandating return to office.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on August 02, 2022, 09:11:55 AM
SFH is not holding up….more unicorns and rainbows…
 
The downside to working from home: Google CEO Sundar Pichai warns workers they aren't PRODUCTIVE or focused enough and calls on them to think of ways to speed up product development after revenue growth slowed to 13%
·         Google CEO Sundar Pichai told staff during an all-hands meeting last week that he expected them to improve productivity following a sluggish second quarter
·         As staff were concerned about layoffs, Pichai said: 'It's clear we are facing a challenging macro environment with more uncertainty ahead'
·         The tech giant is handing out a survey to staff to help the company to become more productive
·         Questions on the survey include: 'Where should we remove speed bumps to get to better results faster?'
·         The company did not confirm the prospect of layoffs but said that hiring would be slowed through 2023
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11071821/Google-CEO-tells-employees-arent-PRODUCTIVE-says-slow-hiring.html
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: The California Court Company on August 02, 2022, 10:42:45 AM
easy solution. 20% pay cut and WFH (to make up deficiency in productivity) and no pay cut but return to office.

SFH is not holding up….more unicorns and rainbows…
 
The downside to working from home: Google CEO Sundar Pichai warns workers they aren't PRODUCTIVE or focused enough and calls on them to think of ways to speed up product development after revenue growth slowed to 13%
·         Google CEO Sundar Pichai told staff during an all-hands meeting last week that he expected them to improve productivity following a sluggish second quarter
·         As staff were concerned about layoffs, Pichai said: 'It's clear we are facing a challenging macro environment with more uncertainty ahead'
·         The tech giant is handing out a survey to staff to help the company to become more productive
·         Questions on the survey include: 'Where should we remove speed bumps to get to better results faster?'
·         The company did not confirm the prospect of layoffs but said that hiring would be slowed through 2023
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11071821/Google-CEO-tells-employees-arent-PRODUCTIVE-says-slow-hiring.html
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: morekaos on August 02, 2022, 11:01:49 AM
Exactly why I’ve been in the office every day since the start of this stupid thing. Productivity, i’ve had work from home for over a decade and still barely ever use it.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: irvinehomeowner on August 02, 2022, 01:15:51 PM
I used to be that way before the pandemic... a staunch believer that at office was the most productive way to work... even if not really working, you are at the office and available when people need you.

But after Covid, working from home and using the communication tools often and always has changed my mind... for people who can handle it. Due to the fact that I work with various people from different time zones now more than ever, I'm not going to be up at 5 in the morning helping someone with an issue and then have to commute into the office and stay there until 6pm. WFH allows me to be very accessible to both work and family and now I would not have it any other way.

However, it doesn't work for everyone depending on so many variables. I have some co-workers who are terrible WFH people... never around, admitting they aren't working etc etc. Those people should be required to be in-office.
Title: Re: Work in office or remote?
Post by: CalBears96 on August 02, 2022, 02:27:38 PM
However, it doesn't work for everyone depending on so many variables. I have some co-workers who are terrible WFH people... never around, admitting they aren't working etc etc. Those people should be required to be in-office.

I think most people are this way, which is why productivity suffers.
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