ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 10 27.8%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 21 58.3%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Total voters
    36
So no answer on how many EV GM sold in 2023 vs 2022? I'm sure you looked it up.

How is it cherry picking? You want to claim EV sales are disappointing and then show 2022 vs 2023 for ICE sales for GM... but then not show what the EV sales for GM for that same time period is?

Take the L... you know you like it.
 
Yes, they sold one in 2022 and 2 in 2023 so they upped sales by 100% but it was only 3 EVs vs 2 million ICE. It’s why they are all cutting production targets for 2024 and concentrating on what pays the bills and consumers want. Full EV companies have no choice but full speed ahead, they offer no alternatives, as their stock show..they are dying a slow death😂😂🦄🌈
 
So avoiding the true numbers.

The truth is EV sales for GM blew away ICE sales for GM from 2022 to 2023, despite having only 2 EVs to sell.

% sales of EVs is higher every year... morekaos can't handle the truth.

 
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which is why everybody is cutting production targets next year, sure…🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂😂 reality smashes into fantasy at full speed…🦄🌈

EV Sales Pace Is Running Short Of Power Going Into 2024​

Sales of battery-electric vehicles in the U.S. may have climbed above the 1 million unit mark this year, but there's evidence they're stalled at base camp rather than sprinting to new sales summits.

The proof is a combination of hard numbers and harder decisions by some of the major automakers. Those decisions include General Motors Co. slowing plans for new EV introductions and delaying the rollout of a new generation Chevrolet Bolt EV and EUV until 2025 and Ford Motor Co. cutting production of its F-150 Lightning electric pickup truck by 50% at the start of 2024.

“We're seeing record sales, they're less than expected, and that's simply because the auto manufacturers ignored the typical technology adoption cycle and assumed that EVs adoption would somehow be different than the way people generally adopt technology, and of course, they're not.”

www.forbes.com

EV Sales Pace Is Running Short Of Power Going Into 2024

EV sales in the U.S. may have hit a new milestone this year but a new study shows momentum is running low on power and may be giving way to a "Goldilocks" option.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
…but this is really the overlooked truth that spells DOOOOOOMMMM!!!🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂🦄🌈

Collapse Of Used EV Market Spells Doom For Biden’s Electric Car Dreams

A report from iSeeCars.com, a search engine for auto buyers, found that the average price for all cars declined 5% in 2023 compared with 2022.

But the resale price EVs plunged 33%.

While a used EV sold for an average of $52,821 in 2022, it went for less than $35,000 in 2023, which means they can be had for just slightly more than the average price for all cars.

Even with this dramatic decline in prices, it took 40% longer to sell an EV in 2023 than it did the year before. Used gas-powered cars, in contrast, sold 10% faster than they did in 2022.

“This combination of lower prices and slower sales suggests EVs have hit a market demand threshold that will be difficult to break through,” said Karl Brauer, iSeeCars executive analys

https://issuesinsights.com/2024/01/...t-spells-doom-for-bidens-electric-car-dreams/
 
73,000 EV’s vs 2,000,000 overall sales representing 3.6% of overall sales is pitiful…(both as a real number and a percentage) and they are pulling back on projections…looks like transition and consumer uptake are screaming….down…disaster!!😂😂😂🦄🌈

Ford reports 7.1% increase in U.S. new vehicle sales as industry marks best year since 2019

· Ford Motor reported sales of nearly 2 million vehicles in 2023, a 7.1% increase from the previous year.

· But its sales increase is lower than the overall industry’s growth.

· Ford’s F-Series continued to top the charts as America’s best-selling vehicle.

Electric vehicle sales came in at 72,608 for the year, up 18% from 2022 and boosted by nearly 26,000 EVs sold during the fourth quarter.

www.cnbc.com

Ford reports 7.1% increase in U.S. new vehicle sales as industry marks best year since 2019

Ford's U.S. sales increased about 7% last year, marking the automaker's best sales since 2020 but coming in lower than the overall industry's growth.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
 
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…again, you go from one owner to two..technically, that’s an increase but really who cares?...mass adoption is faltering and in the end will not meet any of the overly optimistic expectations. Traditional ICE manufacturers who ran into the market without thinking it through are re-evaluating and pulling back, to the detriment of their shareholders. Sole EV Producers have no other offerings so are pinned into “full speed ahead” and are failing at an alarming rate. Only the government sponsored companies are not publicly faltering (like China) but most privately funded ones are dying. The revolution you believe in is dying a slow and proper death that a free market executes on fools. That Is not to say some will not survive…never said they won’t, but the market will cull out the weaklings and it will not be a “transition” that our government wastefully blew our money on. I don’t care if you like or own an EV…just don’t do it on my dime. What makes me mad is those morons wasted all that money chasing unicorns and rainbows, created inflation and deficits and guys like you cheered it on….
 
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I like the idea of direct sales over dealer but am not sure it's very mature right now.

For example, we decided we want to test drive a Rivian. We went to the Laguna store and was told that they weren't doing test drives but we could sit inside the car. In order to actually test drive the car, we'd have to schedule an appointment at the Costa Mesa service center. The person wasn't able to help us schedule it but asked us to scan a QR code and do it ourselves. The next available weekend appointment was two weeks away, which we took right away. We called the local center to see if we could slip in earlier or same day and were told nope.

On the other hand, we happened to be at Tustin Market Place and drove by the auto center. On a whim, we were able to check out a Mazda CX-90, Lexus TX, and Hyundai Palisade on the spot with no waiting at all. The salespeople were waiting for us! In that moment, at least for the "trying" experience, I appreciated the dealers.
 
The Motor Court Company said:
www.bloomberg.com

Hertz to Sell 20,000 EVs in Shift Back to Gas-Powered Cars

Hertz Global Holdings Inc. plans to sell a third of its US electric vehicle fleet and reinvest in gas-powered cars due to weak demand and high repair costs for its battery-powered options.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com

EV for rental doesn’t make much sense because quite of bit people who rent are traveling and range anxiety is real. But high repair cost?
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But most people who rent are driving around town, so range isn't an issue. At all.
 
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