coronavirus

Hill Article: Senator Marco Rubio: Everyone should just wear a damn mask
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/504365-rubio-everyone-should-just-wear-a-damn-mask


Newsweek: Florida Gov. Threatens Licenses of Businesses That Ignore Social Distancing

Florida Republican Governor Ron DeSantis threatened to revoke the alcohol licenses of bars and restaurants that fail to follow mandatory social distancing measures meant to slow the spread of COVID-19.

His comments came one day after 13 employees and 28 patrons of The Knights Pub in Orlando tested positive for COVID-19. A state inspector found the business wasn't enforcing social distancing measures and suspended its alcohol license.

A spokesperson with Florida's Department of Business and Professional Regulation told Newsweek that inspectors and law enforcement agents are maintaining an enhanced, daily field presence in licensed establishments and will conduct both routine and complaint-based inspections on a schedule that includes weekdays and weekends.
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-go...inesses-that-ignore-social-distancing-1512950


 
qwerty said:
Cdc estimates survival rate at 99.4%.

120,000 deaths / estimated 20 million infections (based on serology tests)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/coronavirus-latest-news-06-25-2020-11593070962


The 20 million estimate also suggests that the death rate from the virus is lower than previously understood. Nearly 122,000 people have died in the U.S. from Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
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What's your point?

You keep forgetting that rate is low because we flattened the curve.

Look at the current increase in hospitalizations and ICU bed usage... when the virus is supposed to have vanished. AZ, where the sun is supposed to kill CV, is at 85%+ of hospital capacity.

Over 120k dead and still counting... the flu was only about 60k last year. Do you think 120k is a small number from a virus that can spread easily without safety protocols, we have no vaccine for, and are still working on a proven treatment? And we still don't know the long term effects of Covid. Young people may have mild or no symptoms but will that turn into a problem for them in the future?

And the simplest, most cost effective safety measure than anyone can do is wearing a mask but somehow that has turned into a political issue?

This is crazy.
 
The states that are getting hit hard now were not hit hard earlier, and so they have a "who gives a shit" attitude toward covid19.  Now they will experience what NY and Italy went through as their ICU beds fill to capacity and their elderly and medical professionals die.


NY is doing all they can to stop the virus because they went through hell. (edit changed out double negative)
Some people need to have first hand experience before they change their actions because otherwise it's fake.
 
So covid-hoax narrative is of course case counts will go up because we are doing more testing. We can do what Trump said and "slow down the testing".

But that's not the concern... the concern is that of those being tested, the percentage of who is positive is going up... the positivity rate. That rate is rising in the US and in many hot spot states:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/usa

Cali is staying pretty level so that's good but it is slightly rising. Nevada is enacting a mask mandate starting tomorrow because their rate is going up. And NY,NJ and CT have put travel bans/quarantines on hot spot states.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
And NY,NJ and CT have put travel bans/quarantines on hot spot states.
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Hawaii is getting sued on the same ban. I am curious, if SCOTUS have guts to pick it up, eventually. It's a clear violation of the Privileges and Immunities Clause
 
irvinehomeowner said:
So covid-hoax narrative is of course case counts will go up because we are doing more testing. We can do what Trump said and "slow down the testing".

But that's not the concern... the concern is that of those being tested, the percentage of who is positive is going up... the positivity rate. That rate is rising in the US and in many hot spot states:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/usa

Cali is staying pretty level so that's good but it is slightly rising. Nevada is enacting a mask mandate starting tomorrow because their rate is going up. And NY,NJ and CT have put travel bans/quarantines on hot spot states.
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Didn?t I say that before to quarantine. Does not cost money and saves lives.
 
Currently cases are going up, but hospitalizations and deaths are not following as closely as 2 months ago.  It probably means the people getting it are younger, and can handle covid better.  Also, our treatment is getting better for this disease.
 
zubs said:
Currently cases are going up, but hospitalizations and deaths are not following as closely as 2 months ago.  It probably means the people getting it are younger, and can handle covid better.  Also, our treatment is getting better for this disease.
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Either that or the virus strain weakens, gets less deadly.
 
Apple temporarily closing more stores in reaction to the uptick in cases:
https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/25/...-us-retail-stores-coronavirus-covid-19-spikes

It's not the lockdown that shuts down the economy.. it's the virus.

That's why some businesses closed when they didn't have to... and others have not re-opened.

If you want the economy to reopen... abide by safety protocols and wear a mask... if you don't want to wear a mask, stay home and don't complain about the economy.
 
Have you been to stores lately? Do you really think the virus is shutting down the economy?

There is no way you end up with 40M people unemployed without government mandated shutdowns.

Those 120K deaths are really doing a number on those people out and about right now. Oh it?s the flattening of the curve that did the trick. Got it.

I guess we shall see here soon. If what you and kenkoko believe is true, it will play out in the next couple of months. If ICUs in AZ and TX get overwhelmed and people start dropping like flies like you guys said they would we shall see what happens to consumer confidence. In a lot of states that 120k deaths hasn?t done a whole lot to discourage ?risky? behavior. If people know they can die, why do they still go out? Probably because there is a 99.4% survival rate and even higher the younger/healthier you are.

People are not going to stop doing something over a future unknown (potential health issues down the line from covid) when knowns like lung cancer can?t stop people from smoking, or liver disease from drinking, or heart disease from eating unhealthy.

The people have spoken and are speaking with their behavior.

 
CNBC article: Billionaire Tilman Fertitta on Tuesday called on U.S. residents to wear face coverings in public, saying it is necessary to keep the American economy open during the coronavirus pandemic.

"It is so important right now to wear a mask. Our only chance of staying open is the mask," the chairman and CEO of Houston-based restaurant giant Landry's said on CNBC's Power Lunch.

Fertitta, whose business empire includes more than 600 restaurants and Golden Nugget casinos, said wearing a mask is, ultimately, about respect for others. People do not need to wear one while driving their car, he said, but it is essential to do so while you're in public and around other individuals.

He conceded it may be difficult for employees to ask a customer to put on a mask. I don't have bouncers. No, I cannot make them wear it. But I can tell you this, they won't be allowed back, he said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/23/til...s-face-masks-needed-to-keep-economy-open.html
 
Apple probably is not a good case to cite. Most likely, the profits from the brick and mortar points of sale are down, so they cut the cost.
Virus, obviously, has it's negative impact on the economy, however the mandated shutdown is what completely kills the jobs. I would suggest to keep the economy open and let each individual make an educated decision on his/her fate. Non-believers can live a life, while believers can hide.

Off-topic: I am planning my vacation trip.
 
adventurous said:
Apple probably is not a good case to cite. Most likely, the profits from the brick and mortar points of sale are down, so they cut the cost.
Virus, obviously, has it's negative impact on the economy, however the mandated shutdown is what completely kills the jobs. I would suggest to keep the economy open and let each individual make an educated decision on his/her fate. Non-believers can live a life, while believers can hide.

Off-topic: I am planning my vacation trip.
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You still are going to post while on vacation right? You can?t leave me by myself with IHO.
 
qwerty said:
Have you been to stores lately? Do you really think the virus is shutting down the economy?

There is no way you end up with 40M people unemployed without government mandated shutdowns.

Those 120K deaths are really doing a number on those people out and about right now. Oh it?s the flattening of the curve that did the trick. Got it.

I guess we shall see here soon. If what you and kenkoko believe is true, it will play out in the next couple of months. If ICUs in AZ and TX get overwhelmed and people start dropping like flies like you guys said they would we shall see what happens to consumer confidence. In a lot of states that 120k deaths hasn?t done a whole lot to discourage ?risky? behavior. If people know they can die, why do they still go out? Probably because there is a 99.4% survival rate and even higher the younger/healthier you are.

People are not going to stop doing something over a future unknown (potential health issues down the line from covid) when knowns like lung cancer can?t stop people from smoking, or liver disease from drinking, or heart disease from eating unhealthy.

The people have spoken and are speaking with their behavior.
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Oh... so now the people have spoken... but not the market? You are so contradictory.

It's so funny... back in March/April... EVERYONE was compliant... even you with your wipe down protocols... there were no protests, no major resistance to free money (unemployment, PPP, stimulus checks). What happened to the people have spoken back then?

Why do we have to wait until people drop like flies? At that point in time, the damage to the economy will be much worse than the lockdown. I'm not asking for another lockdown, what I'm asking for is for people to be safe. Instead, it's swinging the other way which is why we are seeing this rise.

Has to be in the middle, keep the economy going, but keep Covid under control. Are masks really that hard to wear?
 
adventurous said:
Apple probably is not a good case to cite. Most likely, the profits from the brick and mortar points of sale are down, so they cut the cost.
Virus, obviously, has it's negative impact on the economy, however the mandated shutdown is what completely kills the jobs. I would suggest to keep the economy open and let each individual make an educated decision on his/her fate. Non-believers can live a life, while believers can hide.
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The problem with this is what "non believers" do affects everyone negatively. Just like you are seeing now.

Off-topic: I am planning my vacation trip.
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Good luck. Will you be flying on a plane without a mask? Don't bring hand sanitizer and don't social distance and let us know how that works out.
 
Pregnant women may be more likely to suffer severe coronavirus infections, according to the largest study of its kind:
https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc...vere-coronavirus-cases-hospitalization-2020-6

Pregnant women with COVID-19, the disease the coronavirus causes, are more likely to be hospitalized, admitted to the intensive care unit, and put on ventilators than non-pregnant women with the disease, according to a new CDC analysis including over 90,000 US women.

The report, the largest of its type to date, also found that Black and Hispanic pregnant women may be disproportionately affected by COVID-19.

While the analysis comes with many caveats ? namely, that it's unclear how many of the women were hospitalized due to labor and delivery, or pregnancy complications unrelated to COVID-19 ? it provides important data on a group that scientists have known little about.

It also underscores recommendations for pregnant women and their providers to take COVID-19 infections seriously, and for the healthcare system to address disturbing racial disparities.
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qwerty, so it's okay for old people or at-risk to get Covid and die but do you want to risk a pregnant woman getting hospitalized? Maybe affect the unborn child?

It's okay right? If they die, they die.

I want to get back to this because of all the ill-informed posts you have made, this is probably one of the wost:

qwerty said:
If what you and kenkoko believe is true, it will play out in the next couple of months.
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It's not me and kenkoko... it's science and data! Do you not remember NYC and Italy? Not only do you ignore anything that doesn't fit your opinion, you also forget what happened several months ago.

Why does the US have the most cases and deaths in the world? Because people want to ignore the science.

That's fine and dandy until that behavior continues to endanger elderly, at-risk and now pregnant women.

You talk about Black Lives Matter but you don't think any lives matter. It just doesn't make sense.
 
@IHO - it?s about inherent risk. Your odds of dying shouldn?t go up because of your skin color. I?m a vary fair person. With covid - it is just a new risk that has been added to daily life and we just have to deal with it.

I know you guys hate these comparisons but we don?t do these crazy accommodations for other things that could kill you with either other diseases or other things (drunk driving, mass shootings, etc).

The government could save many lives by banning alcohol, guns/bullets. They could have placed mask/social distancing requirements for the flu. All of these things kill people of all different ages. I?m sure it?s probably not that the government doesn?t want to save lives, but Over time the people/government have decided that there is an acceptable level of deaths probably because of the cost/benefit involved of trying to save every life.

So there is an established pattern of behavior and here comes along covid with a 99.4% survival rate (it sucks if you are part of that .6%). And now this time we take measures that end up with 40 million unemployed?

I don?t get the premise that saving a life from covid is greater than saving a life from [insert whatever you want here]

So yeah, if they die, they die.
 
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