2010 Woodbury/WB East New Home Collection
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Aqua Bliss_IHB
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Hey Nudey your setup is nice but I'll still take my media niche with built-in (attached - bad quality just took it with the phone).... I get tons of storage, can put home theatre speakers in it, holds all 3 game systems, and looks very clean at the same time.... But I commend you on the clean setup indeed...
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bkshopr_IHB
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[quote author="Matchbox" date=1255873189]Montecito and Carmel are part of an afterthought to Woodbury planning. This site was originally planned as a middle school. This is the only neighborhood that digresses from the original Woodbury theme; it does not have its own private park to identify with.
Montecito seems like an essentially a glorified courtyard house like one of the typical CalPac courtyard houses (Example: Cortile and Bowen Court in Woodbury). 6 homes will share one driveway/ entry off the street. Montecito straddles the outer perimeter of the old middle school site and the more traditional single family Carmel homes (each one individually loaded off the street) will be placed in the middle.
I'd venture to guess the reason that Carmel is less expensive than the Villa Rosa, even though they have similar living area, is because Carmel is placed in a more exposed site vulnerable to traffic noise off of Jeffery, and more likely to have non-residents wandering in from the public Jeffery Open Space trail. This is also the narrowest part of the trail, with little vegetation and no walls to diffuse the sound of 60mph traffic.
Villa Rosa is deep inside the confines of the community and within closer proximity to its amenities like pools and parks, therefore I think justifies a price difference.</blockquote>
Carmel yields higher density than VRosa therefore the land value per home is calculated lower even though both projects have similar footages.
Montecito seems like an essentially a glorified courtyard house like one of the typical CalPac courtyard houses (Example: Cortile and Bowen Court in Woodbury). 6 homes will share one driveway/ entry off the street. Montecito straddles the outer perimeter of the old middle school site and the more traditional single family Carmel homes (each one individually loaded off the street) will be placed in the middle.
I'd venture to guess the reason that Carmel is less expensive than the Villa Rosa, even though they have similar living area, is because Carmel is placed in a more exposed site vulnerable to traffic noise off of Jeffery, and more likely to have non-residents wandering in from the public Jeffery Open Space trail. This is also the narrowest part of the trail, with little vegetation and no walls to diffuse the sound of 60mph traffic.
Villa Rosa is deep inside the confines of the community and within closer proximity to its amenities like pools and parks, therefore I think justifies a price difference.</blockquote>
Carmel yields higher density than VRosa therefore the land value per home is calculated lower even though both projects have similar footages.
bkshopr_IHB
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It is very obvious the designers of these homes adhered to the rules of feng shui judging from the majority of home buyers at Ivy. Although Asian population is 40% in Irvine the percentage of Asian buyers is much higher.
With that being said I would like IHBers to participate in the step by step plan review process. I found the best way to learn is actually doing it yourself.
First Rule: Identify the plans with a toilet or bathroom placed closer to front property before the front door. This is a plan where all future asset is flushed down the toilet before reaching the front door.
Second rule: Toilet and bathroom above the front door are very bad also. Occupants regardless of age in such a house will face serious health issues.
Third Rule: Toilet over cooktop. Cuisine is the second to education for Chinese lifestyle priorities. Having shit over food meant that the family will not be able to eat in peace. (money hardship, emotional distress, and family quarrels)
Please post your findings.
With that being said I would like IHBers to participate in the step by step plan review process. I found the best way to learn is actually doing it yourself.
First Rule: Identify the plans with a toilet or bathroom placed closer to front property before the front door. This is a plan where all future asset is flushed down the toilet before reaching the front door.
Second rule: Toilet and bathroom above the front door are very bad also. Occupants regardless of age in such a house will face serious health issues.
Third Rule: Toilet over cooktop. Cuisine is the second to education for Chinese lifestyle priorities. Having shit over food meant that the family will not be able to eat in peace. (money hardship, emotional distress, and family quarrels)
Please post your findings.
bkshopr_IHB
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[quote author="Aqua Bliss" date=1255876123]Matchbox I get what you're saying about Montecito being courtyard style homes and I see what you mean after looking at the rendering here:
http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=home&Id=176
In the rendering, it doesn't really look like a street in front of the house, but more of a driveway that makes sense now that you say there will be 6 homes (3 on each side) sharing a driveway like entry, though each having their own driveway at the same time. But I thought typically with these style of homes they have the entry on the other side. To build a courtyard home with the garage in the back and the main entry also in the back (which I guess is really the front), seems quite odd especially if there is no parking on the street/driveway alongside the home.
I mean if you have guests to your home and you are the 3rd most in, they would have to park a block away and walk up to what feels like the back of your home, at which time they would find the front door. Does anyone else think this off kilter? I can't think of another development like this...</blockquote>
Thank you for pointing this out. I did not realize the Brookfield's plan is off a motorcourt. I thought the plans are conventional lots.
A visitor would have to walk down the motorcourt to get to the front door of the home. The owners should avoid beige carpets and make sure the color matches leaked motor oil color. I have a friend living in Cobblestone Oakcreek. He said walking across the motorcourt to his front door not only made his house very dirty but his little toddlers almost got hit by his neighbors' car when she walked out the front door in a blind spot. Double whammy for the little one when she is not tall enough to be seen on the rear view mirror and the front door is smack across the vehicular path of travel.
http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=home&Id=176
In the rendering, it doesn't really look like a street in front of the house, but more of a driveway that makes sense now that you say there will be 6 homes (3 on each side) sharing a driveway like entry, though each having their own driveway at the same time. But I thought typically with these style of homes they have the entry on the other side. To build a courtyard home with the garage in the back and the main entry also in the back (which I guess is really the front), seems quite odd especially if there is no parking on the street/driveway alongside the home.
I mean if you have guests to your home and you are the 3rd most in, they would have to park a block away and walk up to what feels like the back of your home, at which time they would find the front door. Does anyone else think this off kilter? I can't think of another development like this...</blockquote>
Thank you for pointing this out. I did not realize the Brookfield's plan is off a motorcourt. I thought the plans are conventional lots.
A visitor would have to walk down the motorcourt to get to the front door of the home. The owners should avoid beige carpets and make sure the color matches leaked motor oil color. I have a friend living in Cobblestone Oakcreek. He said walking across the motorcourt to his front door not only made his house very dirty but his little toddlers almost got hit by his neighbors' car when she walked out the front door in a blind spot. Double whammy for the little one when she is not tall enough to be seen on the rear view mirror and the front door is smack across the vehicular path of travel.
25inIrvine_IHB
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Two Articles on front page of the OC Register's business section about the new homes:
<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery">http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery</a>
I can't find the second one but it is titled "Irvine Co. Ready to Build"
<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery">http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery</a>
I can't find the second one but it is titled "Irvine Co. Ready to Build"
ABC123_IHB
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<a href="http://irvinehomes.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/17/irvine-company/8887/">Which new Irvine home might you buy?</a>
frank69m_IHB
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Does anyone think the new 650 homes will bring down some of the prices of the million dollar homes in Woodbury? I mean the highest price homes here are in the 800s with most in the 600s.
Boy, I just can't wait for this. More traffic on Sand Canyon going down to the 5. This will be fun.
Boy, I just can't wait for this. More traffic on Sand Canyon going down to the 5. This will be fun.
PANDA_IHB
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[quote author="frank69m" date=1255933572]Does anyone think the new 650 homes will bring down some of the prices of the million dollar homes in Woodbury? I mean the highest price homes here are in the 800s with most in the 600s.
Boy, I just can't wait for this. More traffic on Sand Canyon going down to the 5. This will be fun.</blockquote>
I'm sure Juliet's Balconey, Mills Fleurs, Portisol, Villa Rosa, and Rosemoor will all come down after these new homes releases.
Boy, I just can't wait for this. More traffic on Sand Canyon going down to the 5. This will be fun.</blockquote>
I'm sure Juliet's Balconey, Mills Fleurs, Portisol, Villa Rosa, and Rosemoor will all come down after these new homes releases.
bkshopr_IHB
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Owners of $mil homes are not price insulated and Irvine is no exception. Buyers who are interested in buying have so much more choices this time around. Homeowners would need to lower their asking price to compete with the new home inventory.
irvine_home_owner_IHB
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[quote author="25inIrvine" date=1255914688]Two Articles on front page of the OC Register's business section about the new homes:
<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery">http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery</a>
I can't find the second one but it is titled "Irvine Co. Ready to Build"</blockquote>
Here it is:
<a href="http://headlines.ocregister.com/articles/new-47249-home-irvine.html">http://headlines.ocregister.com/articles/new-47249-home-irvine.html</a>
It was hard to find, but I have the print edition of the OCR so I just did a search for a phrase in that article and it came up.
Of note to me:
Bren is bankrolling this thing:
<em>
To get the ball rolling, the Irvine Co. ? traditionally a land developer that sells tracts to the homebuilders ? will take on a new role. At a time when financing for homebuilding projects is scarce, the Irvine Co. will hold onto the land and bankroll construction.
The homebuilders will build and sell the homes for a fee, company officials said. The Irvine Co. will take all the risk ? and reap all the profits (or losses) once the homes are sold.
</em>
And they have been doing "research":
<em>
Company consultants also learned that home shoppers today want to do away with the formal living room and replace it with a ?great room.? They want bigger kitchens suitable for entertaining. And windows along the back of the house, with rooms that flow seamlessly from indoors to outdoors.
That led to creation of the ?California room,? a roof-covered patio where families can dine in fair weather.
Designers also came up with a place where families can shed dirty cleats and uniforms when returning from soccer games.
The biggest surprise: Demand for storage space.
?More people shop at Costco and Wal-Mart and need a place to store all that stuff,? Young said. ?Lifestyles have changed.?
</em>
Also from Lasner's article:
<em>
Construction savings were created by rethinking homes, so space and money wasn't wasted on things few people use ? like big living rooms, tiny spare bedrooms or three-car garages.
In return, bigger kitchens morph into part of "great rooms" -- signature main living areas in these new homes. Also, larger storage areas placate the high-volume grocery shoppers who, as Irvine Co. execs note, frequent the Costco discounters of the world.
</em>
What? I used my 3-car garage! More storage space is nice... but I don't think a 3rd car garage is "wasted" space. Heh.
<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery">http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery</a>
I can't find the second one but it is titled "Irvine Co. Ready to Build"</blockquote>
Here it is:
<a href="http://headlines.ocregister.com/articles/new-47249-home-irvine.html">http://headlines.ocregister.com/articles/new-47249-home-irvine.html</a>
It was hard to find, but I have the print edition of the OCR so I just did a search for a phrase in that article and it came up.
Of note to me:
Bren is bankrolling this thing:
<em>
To get the ball rolling, the Irvine Co. ? traditionally a land developer that sells tracts to the homebuilders ? will take on a new role. At a time when financing for homebuilding projects is scarce, the Irvine Co. will hold onto the land and bankroll construction.
The homebuilders will build and sell the homes for a fee, company officials said. The Irvine Co. will take all the risk ? and reap all the profits (or losses) once the homes are sold.
</em>
And they have been doing "research":
<em>
Company consultants also learned that home shoppers today want to do away with the formal living room and replace it with a ?great room.? They want bigger kitchens suitable for entertaining. And windows along the back of the house, with rooms that flow seamlessly from indoors to outdoors.
That led to creation of the ?California room,? a roof-covered patio where families can dine in fair weather.
Designers also came up with a place where families can shed dirty cleats and uniforms when returning from soccer games.
The biggest surprise: Demand for storage space.
?More people shop at Costco and Wal-Mart and need a place to store all that stuff,? Young said. ?Lifestyles have changed.?
</em>
Also from Lasner's article:
<em>
Construction savings were created by rethinking homes, so space and money wasn't wasted on things few people use ? like big living rooms, tiny spare bedrooms or three-car garages.
In return, bigger kitchens morph into part of "great rooms" -- signature main living areas in these new homes. Also, larger storage areas placate the high-volume grocery shoppers who, as Irvine Co. execs note, frequent the Costco discounters of the world.
</em>
What? I used my 3-car garage! More storage space is nice... but I don't think a 3rd car garage is "wasted" space. Heh.
OCCOBRA_IHB
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[quote author="graphrix" date=1255834940]I saw that Carmel was going to be built by "The New Home Company" and I thought that just meant that the builder is TBD. No... that is the name of the company started by former CEO of John Laing, Larry Webb. Now, I have heard good things about Larry, but he also ran a company in the 90s that went busto. So hopefully third time is a charm for him. Turns out from my google-fu they were looking for a sales and marketing director. They should have found someone for that position before they named the company, because that name is going to suck for search engine optimization when you get results for a sewing machine company and bunch of other garbage. Lets just hope that their focus is in building quality homes.</blockquote>
OCCOBRA_IHB
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[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1255952435][quote author="25inIrvine" date=1255914688]Two Articles on front page of the OC Register's business section about the new homes:
<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery">http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery</a>
I can't find the second one but it is titled "Irvine Co. Ready to Build"</blockquote>
Here it is:
<a href="http://headlines.ocregister.com/articles/new-47249-home-irvine.html">http://headlines.ocregister.com/articles/new-47249-home-irvine.html</a>
It was hard to find, but I have the print edition of the OCR so I just did a search for a phrase in that article and it came up.
Of note to me:
Bren is bankrolling this thing:
<em>
To get the ball rolling, the Irvine Co. ? traditionally a land developer that sells tracts to the homebuilders ? will take on a new role. At a time when financing for homebuilding projects is scarce, the Irvine Co. will hold onto the land and bankroll construction.
The homebuilders will build and sell the homes for a fee, company officials said. The Irvine Co. will take all the risk ? and reap all the profits (or losses) once the homes are sold.
</em>
And they have been doing "research":
<em>
Company consultants also learned that home shoppers today want to do away with the formal living room and replace it with a ?great room.? They want bigger kitchens suitable for entertaining. And windows along the back of the house, with rooms that flow seamlessly from indoors to outdoors.
That led to creation of the ?California room,? a roof-covered patio where families can dine in fair weather.
Designers also came up with a place where families can shed dirty cleats and uniforms when returning from soccer games.
The biggest surprise: Demand for storage space.
?More people shop at Costco and Wal-Mart and need a place to store all that stuff,? Young said. ?Lifestyles have changed.?
</em>
Also from Lasner's article:
<em>
Construction savings were created by rethinking homes, so space and money wasn't wasted on things few people use ? like big living rooms, tiny spare bedrooms or three-car garages.
In return, bigger kitchens morph into part of "great rooms" -- signature main living areas in these new homes. Also, larger storage areas placate the high-volume grocery shoppers who, as Irvine Co. execs note, frequent the Costco discounters of the world.
</em>
What? I used my 3-car garage! More storage space is nice... but I don't think a 3rd car garage is "wasted" space. Heh.</blockquote>
<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery">http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-homes-new-2610240-one-recovery</a>
I can't find the second one but it is titled "Irvine Co. Ready to Build"</blockquote>
Here it is:
<a href="http://headlines.ocregister.com/articles/new-47249-home-irvine.html">http://headlines.ocregister.com/articles/new-47249-home-irvine.html</a>
It was hard to find, but I have the print edition of the OCR so I just did a search for a phrase in that article and it came up.
Of note to me:
Bren is bankrolling this thing:
<em>
To get the ball rolling, the Irvine Co. ? traditionally a land developer that sells tracts to the homebuilders ? will take on a new role. At a time when financing for homebuilding projects is scarce, the Irvine Co. will hold onto the land and bankroll construction.
The homebuilders will build and sell the homes for a fee, company officials said. The Irvine Co. will take all the risk ? and reap all the profits (or losses) once the homes are sold.
</em>
And they have been doing "research":
<em>
Company consultants also learned that home shoppers today want to do away with the formal living room and replace it with a ?great room.? They want bigger kitchens suitable for entertaining. And windows along the back of the house, with rooms that flow seamlessly from indoors to outdoors.
That led to creation of the ?California room,? a roof-covered patio where families can dine in fair weather.
Designers also came up with a place where families can shed dirty cleats and uniforms when returning from soccer games.
The biggest surprise: Demand for storage space.
?More people shop at Costco and Wal-Mart and need a place to store all that stuff,? Young said. ?Lifestyles have changed.?
</em>
Also from Lasner's article:
<em>
Construction savings were created by rethinking homes, so space and money wasn't wasted on things few people use ? like big living rooms, tiny spare bedrooms or three-car garages.
In return, bigger kitchens morph into part of "great rooms" -- signature main living areas in these new homes. Also, larger storage areas placate the high-volume grocery shoppers who, as Irvine Co. execs note, frequent the Costco discounters of the world.
</em>
What? I used my 3-car garage! More storage space is nice... but I don't think a 3rd car garage is "wasted" space. Heh.</blockquote>
Fishy333_IHB
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[quote author="Aqua Bliss" date=1255876123]Matchbox I get what you're saying about Montecito being courtyard style homes and I see what you mean after looking at the rendering here:
http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=home&Id=176
In the rendering, it doesn't really look like a street in front of the house, but more of a driveway that makes sense now that you say there will be 6 homes (3 on each side) sharing a driveway like entry, though each having their own driveway at the same time. But I thought typically with these style of homes they have the entry on the other side. To build a courtyard home with the garage in the back and the main entry also in the back (which I guess is really the front), seems quite odd especially if there is no parking on the street/driveway alongside the home.
I mean if you have guests to your home and you are the 3rd most in, they would have to park a block away and walk up to what feels like the back of your home, at which time they would find the front door. Does anyone else think this off kilter? I can't think of another development like this...</blockquote>
Can somone confirm this or is it pure speculation from the rendering? Per the description of Montecito "Traditional two-story detached homes." I hope traditional does not mean shared driveway.
If you look at the floor plan of the garage there is a side door that leads to the outside. Traditionlly this door will lead you to the backyard. If speculation is true about shared drive way won't that side door lead you to the shared driveway?
http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=home&Id=176
In the rendering, it doesn't really look like a street in front of the house, but more of a driveway that makes sense now that you say there will be 6 homes (3 on each side) sharing a driveway like entry, though each having their own driveway at the same time. But I thought typically with these style of homes they have the entry on the other side. To build a courtyard home with the garage in the back and the main entry also in the back (which I guess is really the front), seems quite odd especially if there is no parking on the street/driveway alongside the home.
I mean if you have guests to your home and you are the 3rd most in, they would have to park a block away and walk up to what feels like the back of your home, at which time they would find the front door. Does anyone else think this off kilter? I can't think of another development like this...</blockquote>
Can somone confirm this or is it pure speculation from the rendering? Per the description of Montecito "Traditional two-story detached homes." I hope traditional does not mean shared driveway.
If you look at the floor plan of the garage there is a side door that leads to the outside. Traditionlly this door will lead you to the backyard. If speculation is true about shared drive way won't that side door lead you to the shared driveway?
bkshopr_IHB
New member
[quote author="Fishy333" date=1255997960][quote author="Aqua Bliss" date=1255876123]Matchbox I get what you're saying about Montecito being courtyard style homes and I see what you mean after looking at the rendering here:
http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=home&Id=176
In the rendering, it doesn't really look like a street in front of the house, but more of a driveway that makes sense now that you say there will be 6 homes (3 on each side) sharing a driveway like entry, though each having their own driveway at the same time. But I thought typically with these style of homes they have the entry on the other side. To build a courtyard home with the garage in the back and the main entry also in the back (which I guess is really the front), seems quite odd especially if there is no parking on the street/driveway alongside the home.
I mean if you have guests to your home and you are the 3rd most in, they would have to park a block away and walk up to what feels like the back of your home, at which time they would find the front door. Does anyone else think this off kilter? I can't think of another development like this...</blockquote>
Can somone confirm this or is it pure speculation from the rendering? Per the description of Montecito "Traditional two-story detached homes." I hope traditional does not mean shared driveway.
If you look at the floor plan of the garage there is a side door that leads to the outside. Traditionlly this door will lead you to the backyard. If speculation is true about shared drive way won't that side door lead you to the shared driveway?</blockquote>
Go to the link on the first thread and click on interactive map. The neighborhood of Montecito is set up as a 6-pack cluster just like Cortile of Woodbury. The major difference is the elimination of the pedestrian paseo and front doors will be accessed via motorcourt. The space where the paseo would have been becomes a yard.
In Cortile each home has a maximum of 2 contiguous adjacent neighbors where as Montecito will have up to 5 contiguous adjacent neighbors. The benefit is capturing the pedestrian paseo as yard and allowing the home to become bigger thus lowering the value ratio by the BagOChip theory.
http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=home&Id=176
In the rendering, it doesn't really look like a street in front of the house, but more of a driveway that makes sense now that you say there will be 6 homes (3 on each side) sharing a driveway like entry, though each having their own driveway at the same time. But I thought typically with these style of homes they have the entry on the other side. To build a courtyard home with the garage in the back and the main entry also in the back (which I guess is really the front), seems quite odd especially if there is no parking on the street/driveway alongside the home.
I mean if you have guests to your home and you are the 3rd most in, they would have to park a block away and walk up to what feels like the back of your home, at which time they would find the front door. Does anyone else think this off kilter? I can't think of another development like this...</blockquote>
Can somone confirm this or is it pure speculation from the rendering? Per the description of Montecito "Traditional two-story detached homes." I hope traditional does not mean shared driveway.
If you look at the floor plan of the garage there is a side door that leads to the outside. Traditionlly this door will lead you to the backyard. If speculation is true about shared drive way won't that side door lead you to the shared driveway?</blockquote>
Go to the link on the first thread and click on interactive map. The neighborhood of Montecito is set up as a 6-pack cluster just like Cortile of Woodbury. The major difference is the elimination of the pedestrian paseo and front doors will be accessed via motorcourt. The space where the paseo would have been becomes a yard.
In Cortile each home has a maximum of 2 contiguous adjacent neighbors where as Montecito will have up to 5 contiguous adjacent neighbors. The benefit is capturing the pedestrian paseo as yard and allowing the home to become bigger thus lowering the value ratio by the BagOChip theory.
Fishy333_IHB
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[quote author="bkshopr" date=1256000277][quote author="Fishy333" date=1255997960][quote author="Aqua Bliss" date=1255876123]Matchbox I get what you're saying about Montecito being courtyard style homes and I see what you mean after looking at the rendering here:
http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=home&Id=176
In the rendering, it doesn't really look like a street in front of the house, but more of a driveway that makes sense now that you say there will be 6 homes (3 on each side) sharing a driveway like entry, though each having their own driveway at the same time. But I thought typically with these style of homes they have the entry on the other side. To build a courtyard home with the garage in the back and the main entry also in the back (which I guess is really the front), seems quite odd especially if there is no parking on the street/driveway alongside the home.
I mean if you have guests to your home and you are the 3rd most in, they would have to park a block away and walk up to what feels like the back of your home, at which time they would find the front door. Does anyone else think this off kilter? I can't think of another development like this...</blockquote>
Can somone confirm this or is it pure speculation from the rendering? Per the description of Montecito "Traditional two-story detached homes." I hope traditional does not mean shared driveway.
If you look at the floor plan of the garage there is a side door that leads to the outside. Traditionlly this door will lead you to the backyard. If speculation is true about shared drive way won't that side door lead you to the shared driveway?</blockquote>
Go to the link on the first thread and click on interactive map. The neighborhood of Montecito is set up as a 6-pack cluster just like Cortile of Woodbury. The major difference is the elimination of the pedestrian paseo and front doors will be accessed via motorcourt. The space where the paseo would have been becomes a yard.
</blockquote>
i went to the interactive map and I don't see where they talk about motorcourt and 6 pack cluster. can you give me direct link?
http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=home&Id=176
In the rendering, it doesn't really look like a street in front of the house, but more of a driveway that makes sense now that you say there will be 6 homes (3 on each side) sharing a driveway like entry, though each having their own driveway at the same time. But I thought typically with these style of homes they have the entry on the other side. To build a courtyard home with the garage in the back and the main entry also in the back (which I guess is really the front), seems quite odd especially if there is no parking on the street/driveway alongside the home.
I mean if you have guests to your home and you are the 3rd most in, they would have to park a block away and walk up to what feels like the back of your home, at which time they would find the front door. Does anyone else think this off kilter? I can't think of another development like this...</blockquote>
Can somone confirm this or is it pure speculation from the rendering? Per the description of Montecito "Traditional two-story detached homes." I hope traditional does not mean shared driveway.
If you look at the floor plan of the garage there is a side door that leads to the outside. Traditionlly this door will lead you to the backyard. If speculation is true about shared drive way won't that side door lead you to the shared driveway?</blockquote>
Go to the link on the first thread and click on interactive map. The neighborhood of Montecito is set up as a 6-pack cluster just like Cortile of Woodbury. The major difference is the elimination of the pedestrian paseo and front doors will be accessed via motorcourt. The space where the paseo would have been becomes a yard.
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i went to the interactive map and I don't see where they talk about motorcourt and 6 pack cluster. can you give me direct link?
bkshopr_IHB
New member
[quote author="Fishy333" date=1256001041][quote author="bkshopr" date=1256000277][quote author="Fishy333" date=1255997960][quote author="Aqua Bliss" date=1255876123]Matchbox I get what you're saying about Montecito being courtyard style homes and I see what you mean after looking at the rendering here:
http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=home&Id=176
In the rendering, it doesn't really look like a street in front of the house, but more of a driveway that makes sense now that you say there will be 6 homes (3 on each side) sharing a driveway like entry, though each having their own driveway at the same time. But I thought typically with these style of homes they have the entry on the other side. To build a courtyard home with the garage in the back and the main entry also in the back (which I guess is really the front), seems quite odd especially if there is no parking on the street/driveway alongside the home.
I mean if you have guests to your home and you are the 3rd most in, they would have to park a block away and walk up to what feels like the back of your home, at which time they would find the front door. Does anyone else think this off kilter? I can't think of another development like this...</blockquote>
Can somone confirm this or is it pure speculation from the rendering? Per the description of Montecito "Traditional two-story detached homes." I hope traditional does not mean shared driveway.
If you look at the floor plan of the garage there is a side door that leads to the outside. Traditionlly this door will lead you to the backyard. If speculation is true about shared drive way won't that side door lead you to the shared driveway?</blockquote>
Go to the link on the first thread and click on interactive map. The neighborhood of Montecito is set up as a 6-pack cluster just like Cortile of Woodbury. The major difference is the elimination of the pedestrian paseo and front doors will be accessed via motorcourt. The space where the paseo would have been becomes a yard.
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i went to the interactive map and I don't see where they talk about motorcourt and 6 pack cluster. can you give me direct link?</blockquote>
<a href="http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Map.aspx">Woodbury map</a>
Then click on Neighborhood.
Look for #2
The small stub streets are motor courts. There will be 6 homes sharing each motorcourt. The home depicted on the rendering has enhanced paving on the motorcourt to lessen the severity of asphalt.
http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=home&Id=176
In the rendering, it doesn't really look like a street in front of the house, but more of a driveway that makes sense now that you say there will be 6 homes (3 on each side) sharing a driveway like entry, though each having their own driveway at the same time. But I thought typically with these style of homes they have the entry on the other side. To build a courtyard home with the garage in the back and the main entry also in the back (which I guess is really the front), seems quite odd especially if there is no parking on the street/driveway alongside the home.
I mean if you have guests to your home and you are the 3rd most in, they would have to park a block away and walk up to what feels like the back of your home, at which time they would find the front door. Does anyone else think this off kilter? I can't think of another development like this...</blockquote>
Can somone confirm this or is it pure speculation from the rendering? Per the description of Montecito "Traditional two-story detached homes." I hope traditional does not mean shared driveway.
If you look at the floor plan of the garage there is a side door that leads to the outside. Traditionlly this door will lead you to the backyard. If speculation is true about shared drive way won't that side door lead you to the shared driveway?</blockquote>
Go to the link on the first thread and click on interactive map. The neighborhood of Montecito is set up as a 6-pack cluster just like Cortile of Woodbury. The major difference is the elimination of the pedestrian paseo and front doors will be accessed via motorcourt. The space where the paseo would have been becomes a yard.
</blockquote>
i went to the interactive map and I don't see where they talk about motorcourt and 6 pack cluster. can you give me direct link?</blockquote>
<a href="http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-And-Residences/Woodbury-Map.aspx">Woodbury map</a>
Then click on Neighborhood.
Look for #2
The small stub streets are motor courts. There will be 6 homes sharing each motorcourt. The home depicted on the rendering has enhanced paving on the motorcourt to lessen the severity of asphalt.
kcmkane_IHB
New member
The Coronado plans in Woodbury East confuse me. Based on the picture it appears that these are probably alley loaded similar to San Simeon, etc --- but then I look at the floorplans and it looks like garages face out front along with the front doors (into a motorcourt I presume?). Anybody (BK?) have an idea which it is? Or could it be some sort of paired home like Paloma? And yeah, I know --- it's KB Home. But its the only SFR that falls into what we want to pay.
<a href="http://www.villagesofirvine.com/NewHomeCollection/coronado.aspx">Link to Coronado</a>
<img src="http://www.villagesofirvine.com/assets/images/residences/Coronado/Coronado_med.jpg" alt="" />
<strong>Edited to add:</strong> Yes, BK --- I did notice that in Coronado Plan 1 you flush the toilet right above the kitchen sink.
<a href="http://www.villagesofirvine.com/NewHomeCollection/coronado.aspx">Link to Coronado</a>
<img src="http://www.villagesofirvine.com/assets/images/residences/Coronado/Coronado_med.jpg" alt="" />
<strong>Edited to add:</strong> Yes, BK --- I did notice that in Coronado Plan 1 you flush the toilet right above the kitchen sink.
blueray_IHB
New member
I have to admit we are living in an interesting era, which constantly defies all theory, experience and prediction.
I can clearly recall the moment I saw BKShOPR's summary of Aisan persona two years ago, and boy, time flies by fast!
My question is, with all these new development popping out at such a pace, what kind of price level will be set to NW/NP sellers? Can we expect <300 per SF anytime soon?
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Still RENTING after 4 years.
I can clearly recall the moment I saw BKShOPR's summary of Aisan persona two years ago, and boy, time flies by fast!
My question is, with all these new development popping out at such a pace, what kind of price level will be set to NW/NP sellers? Can we expect <300 per SF anytime soon?
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Still RENTING after 4 years.
Gohabsgo_IHB
New member
<blockquote>Smaller lots. The biggest lot size in the eight projects will be the 4,675 square feet in the Carmel project.</blockquote>
That's terrible. $800,000+ for less than 5,000 sf...really?
Does the sf include the california room? Are there walls or is it only a covered patio?
That's terrible. $800,000+ for less than 5,000 sf...really?
Does the sf include the california room? Are there walls or is it only a covered patio?