1990 - 1995 in Irvine compared to now 2006 - ????

[quote author="CalGal" date=1212034026]<blockquote>Oh, and if there is another earthquake, then more people will commit suicide. Less people = less demand = cheaper houses.

What? What? Is that a bad thing to say, I don?t think so, when it comes from medical professionals.</blockquote>
Graph, can you check the link. I couldn't get it to work.</blockquote>


I dunno why the forums didn't like the link. So, I just saved the file and uploaded it as an attachment.
 
<blockquote>I am hearing rumors from many expert sources that another major earthquake will hit southern california that will be much bigger than northridge. If this really occurs this is another similar trend i am seeing. Is this a myth or fact? </blockquote>


Others have touched on other parts of your post, but I feel the need to comment on this one. As a daughter of an Engineering Geologist (an "expert source") I have a healthy yet realistic fear of the San Andreas fault. Yes, there is a section of that fault in Southern California that has not "gone off" recently. Recently, that is, in geologic time. My dad says the San Andreas is "10 months pregnant" and really could cause an earthquake any day. Or it could cause an earthquake 100 years from now. Those two times aren't that far apart in geologic time. I checked on his faultline map in his office when I was in college (I wanted to know how safe I was while at UCI), and IIRC (I'm not the expert so I could be totally wrong) Irvine is a decent distance from the part of the fault that is ready to let off energy. We'll probably feel it, and if the earthquake is strong enough we could see some damage, but the IE and parts of LA county will feel it worse. I'm going to see my dad tomorrow, so I might check on that with him.



<blockquote>Think of your question like a math formula. 12=3x is a good question while 12=bx5y2a3b4c7d is a bad question because the unknown variables are so dependent on each other so a million answers are possible.



If you want to ask about ?12? then narrow down your equation to 6+x or 4x where your reader could then use the minimal time to educate you rather than explaining the entire history of math.



Hope you get my ?math"aphor.</blockquote>


I heart bk!
 
<blockquote>Others have touched on other parts of your post, but I feel the need to comment on this one. As a daughter of an Engineering Geologist (an ?expert source") I have a healthy yet realistic fear of the San Andreas fault. Yes, there is a section of that fault in Southern California that has not ?gone off? recently. Recently, that is, in geologic time. My dad says the San Andreas is ?10 months pregnant? and really could cause an earthquake any day. Or it could cause an earthquake 100 years from now. Those two times aren?t that far apart in geologic time. I checked on his faultline map in his office when I was in college (I wanted to know how safe I was while at UCI), and IIRC (I?m not the expert so I could be totally wrong) Irvine is a decent distance from the part of the fault that is ready to let off energy. We?ll probably feel it, and if the earthquake is strong enough we could see some damage, but the IE and parts of LA county will feel it worse. I?m going to see my dad tomorrow, so I might check on that with him. </blockquote>
Cayci, this freaks me out too. Did you see the latest <a href="http://online.wr.usgs.gov/ocw/htmlmail/2008/May/22/20080522GSnr.html">USGS News Release on Southern California</a>.



To Do List for the weekend: Review Earthquake Prep Kits.



I would be interested to hear what your father has to say. Keep us updated. :)



Maybe we should update on the <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/778/">Earthquake Thread</a> so we don't hijack this thread.
 
<em> As a daughter of an Engineering Geologist (an ?expert source") I have a healthy yet realistic fear of the San Andreas fault. Yes, there is a section of that fault in Southern California that has not ?gone off? recently. Recently, that is, in geologic time. My dad says the San Andreas is ?10 months pregnant? and really could cause an earthquake any day. Or it could cause an earthquake 100 years from now. Those two times aren?t that far apart in geologic time. I checked on his faultline map in his office when I was in college (I wanted to know how safe I was while at UCI), and IIRC (I?m not the expert so I could be totally wrong) Irvine is a decent distance from the part of the fault that is ready to let off energy. We?ll probably feel it, and if the earthquake is strong enough we could see some damage, but the IE and parts of LA county will feel it worse. </em>



Please do let us know what your father says. I was just having this discussion with someone over the weekend, a recent transplant to OC. I told him (like you also seem to believe) that the Irvine Ranch part of OC was probably fairly shielded from the catastrophic damage that you might get elsewhere in the southland....But I was totally talking out of my a$$, because I've never done anything beyond eyeball fault maps and say "yeah, looks like we are safe".



Please do update Cacyi, and thanks!!
 
I know the answer!



PI=3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679

8214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196

4428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273

724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146951941511609...

An answer that never seems to have an end like the lawsuits.



[quote author="graphrix" date=1212033120]<blockquote>Think of your question like a math formula. 12=3x is a good question while 12=bx5y2a3b4c7d is a bad question because the unknown variables are so dependent on each other so a million answers are possible.</blockquote>


BK, you are slipping. The answer to your so called complex math is mello roos divided by feng shui multiplied by prop 13 divided by Donald Bren's number of lawsuits filed by Joan Irvine Smith which will always equal a perfect amount of snark.



<a href="http://ocecon101.blogspot.com/2006/12/bubble-blah.html">Panda, go read the comments on this snarky bastard's blog</a>.</blockquote>
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1212035605]I know the answer!



PI=3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679

8214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196

4428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273

724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146951941511609...

An answer that never seems to have an end like the lawsuits.</blockquote>


I think PI has better chance of ending than the lawsuits.
 
Think of your question like a math formula. 12=3x is a good question while 12=bx5y2a3b4c7d is a bad question because the unknown variables are so dependent on each other so a million answers are possible.



If you want to ask about ?12? then narrow down your equation to 6+x or 4x where your reader could then use the minimal time to educate you rather than explaining the entire history of math.



Hope you get my ?math"aphor.



BK, I am a creative guy so it hard for me to think in a linear way. I think about a hundred things at the same time. Let's start the question out like this. The subprime and bad loan practices caused the irvine housing bubble of 2006, what started the bubble from 1987 - 1990? Is this is 3x = 12 question that you are asking for? and yes, San Andreas fault is what i've been reading about a lot about these days. If a major earthquake breaks out in a bad way, what areas of Irvine would be effected? I've heard that it can happen any time now, most likely within a decade.



My next question is the wild fires. Have we ever had an instance in irvine history when the fires came that close to Portola Spings or Irvine Homes. When i drove past that area couple days it happened it was Dang Close, I mean REALLY Close. Who said the wild fires are only for the inland empire?



Curious Panda.
 
As i read the fault maps, it is the Newport-Inglewood fault that places this part of the OC most at risk. It is the fault responsible for the "Long Beach" earthquake of 1930, no?



Is this not correct?
 
Hi Panda. I saw an advertisement for Kung Fu Panda and thought of you :)



My advise is not to ask personal questions (e.g. what is everyone's jobs). Very bad form. Blogs are hard to fit in around sometimes, but these guys are so nice and mature-behaving that it's usually pretty easy to post (even if you screw up and post something dumb...which I have....they just let you know and don't hold it against ya or anything). The vast majority of people on this board are terrific. Just take people's posting advise and you'll be fine.



PS I also wouldn't accuse people who've been on the board over a year of anything b/c you think maybe they bought at the wrong time. Most everyone here is a bear. Some people here did buy at the wrong time, but they don't have a chip on their shoulder or they wouldn't be here. Like I said, these people are quite kind and thoughtful, even when they disagree. (Right, T!m?)
 
4walls4me,



Thanks for the tip. I will keep your advise in mind whenever i post. I agree that the post for "Your Profession for Irvine" was a very stupid way to gather information for vocational demographics in Irvine. One of the nice guys on this forum sent me the break down by industry where i no longer needed that thread. In any case, my stupid post turned out to be a lot of fun with a lot of jokesters. (lumberjacks, tin foil hat makers, stand up philosophers, shrimp past distributors, gamblers etc. )



I am definitely looking to make new friends in this forum, not enemies. I know some guys like graphix has been REALLY REALLY patient with me.

I agree with you that the vast majority of the people on this board are terrific guys and many of them are extremely funny. Thanks for your post. :)
 
As far as EQ's go, it's not just the proximity to the fault line, but also the soil types. The 1989 SF quake's epicenter was in the Santa Cruz mountains, some 70 miles away, but the soil in the marina district led to them experiencing as much damage as those of us right near the fault. EQ's are very real to me after that one and then living 10 miles from Northridge in '94.



Our house in Paso is on a raised foundation and had some pretty good bracing, but we had it reinforced even more. I'm not if there is anything you can do for slab foundations??? We are bracing the shelves in the garage and the hutch in the dining room this weekend (just moved). This hutch nearly killed me in '89. Another really useful thing is to put the child proof latches on your cabinets, otherwise they fly open and everything goes sailing across the room. Watch anything up high that is heavy. It will fly across the room and can be dangerous. I just now realized that I didn't pick a good spot for the le creusets!
 
What started bubble were greed from the sellers and desperate buyers willing to buy higher than what they could afford.

Earthquake is not dangerous by itself but the failure of buildings and other man-made infrastructures are harmful to the occupants.



Concrete structure is durable and fireproof but without steel inside they are deadly in Seismic activities due to the heavy weight falling on to victims. All Chinese government sponsored concrete buildings failed because the contracts were all awarded to relatives of officials. Relatives cut corner by taking out the steels and reinforcement bars. The finished appearance of the public structures such as schools and hospital looked fine but the structural skeletons were severely compromised.



Don't let the catastrophe in China scares you. The structures built in California are ductile and light weight so in the event of earthquake structures do not snapped and fall down. If it did the light weight stick framed structure will not crush you.



Fallen structures during the last Northridge earthquake were bad constrictors creation and most were already wiped out.



Structures in Irvine are very safe due to extensive requirements of shear walls and strict building code enforcements. Irvine just like anywhere else has an equal chance of being affected.



Asians are brought up by parents not to take risks. You have phobia about fire, earth quake, and financial commitment. (that is extremely normal among my studied demographic) My observations in Northpark were parents and grand parents were over protective because of their concern that kids could fall and caused broken bone injuries. Kids were not allowed on monkey bars and other tot lot apparatus. Asian kids growing up were cautious of everything.



Panda I think you fall into this category.



[quote author="PANDA DREAMING OF IRVINE" date=1212037710]Think of your question like a math formula. 12=3x is a good question while 12=bx5y2a3b4c7d is a bad question because the unknown variables are so dependent on each other so a million answers are possible.



If you want to ask about ?12? then narrow down your equation to 6+x or 4x where your reader could then use the minimal time to educate you rather than explaining the entire history of math.



Hope you get my ?math"aphor.



BK, I am a creative guy so it hard for me to think in a linear way. I think about a hundred things at the same time. Let's start the question out like this. The subprime and bad loan practices caused the irvine housing bubble of 2006, what started the bubble from 1987 - 1990? Is this is 3x = 12 question that you are asking for? and yes, San Andreas fault is what i've been reading about a lot about these days. If a major earthquake breaks out in a bad way, what areas of Irvine would be effected? I've heard that it can happen any time now, most likely within a decade.



My next question is the wild fires. Have we ever had an instance in irvine history when the fires came that close to Portola Spings or Irvine Homes. When i drove past that area couple days it happened it was Dang Close, I mean REALLY Close. Who said the wild fires are only for the inland empire?



Curious Panda.</blockquote>
 
i believe panda meant where there other fires that have ever come that close, and the answer is yes. aside from the areas adjacent to west irvine, northwood II, woodbury, and portola springs, all those hills around turtle rock, turtle ridge, shady canyon, and quail hill.
 
<blockquote>We are bracing the shelves in the garage and the hutch in the dining room this weekend (just moved). </blockquote>
The last minor shake we had my husband ran to hold up the Plasma TV. He was more concerned with losing the TV than he was with his own safety. That shake shook him enough to brace the TV to the wall. He hasn't secured anything else - but the TV is secure. :cheese:
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1212040086]I just can't take it any longer, I have no patience left...



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Fires? Are you serious? There is a whole thread about the wild fires that were burning right next to Portola Springs. Dude, is this your first month out of the cage?</blockquote>


Panda - Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you want to read all about Irvine as you say, spend less time typing and more time reading. I have pretty much stopped responding to your posts because every time I see one, I think "Oh, we already covered that a couple of months ago and I don't have time to do this all over again." If you read every post in every thread in the "Irvine Real Estate" section, I don't think you would have any questions left and would be more educated than you are now. My $0.02.
 
Panda,



You are allowed to ask just 2 questions per week and that is your allowance. Be a good Panda and go chew on the bamboo.



[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1212042683][quote author="graphrix" date=1212040086]I just can't take it any longer, I have no patience left...



http://img702.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/05/22/searchforanswers-4alfpq3oe.png



Fires? Are you serious? There is a whole thread about the wild fires that were burning right next to Portola Springs. Dude, is this your first month out of the cage?</blockquote>


Panda - Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you want to read all about Irvine as you say, spend less time typing and more time reading. I have pretty much stopped responding to your posts because every time I see one, I think "Oh, we already covered that a couple of months ago and I don't have time to do this all over again." If you read every post in every thread in the "Irvine Real Estate" section, I don't think you would have any questions left and would be more educated than you are now. My $0.02.</blockquote>
 
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