Will this Economy affect your home purchase?

[quote author="bkshopr" date=1229506807]Only 2 single stories were built during the last 15 years in Irvine. Plan one of Camelia in Northwood 2 and Stan Pac's plan one at Northpark Sq. Both are about 1780 sf priced over $820,000.</blockquote>
Don't forget Quail Hill:



Chantilly Plan 1 (pseudo single story... the main bedrooms are on the 1st floor and one bonus/bedroom upstairs)

Vicara Plan 1 (3000sft on one floor is impressive)
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1229567919][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229562491]Aren?t those sold for charity?

At least the buyer is eligible for the full tax deduction.</blockquote>


Yes, you can claim a deduction along with the kids.</blockquote>




Not bad, seems to make sense.

You get dollar for dollar credit on this particular type of charitable donation.

Better than handing it over to the US Treasury
 
I appreciate the participatory responses. The data is not conclusive but it does shed light to the desire of the consumers. IHB members are mostly first time buyers. Most technology savvy users tend to be the younger generation buying their first home. Move up buyers are represented by the 4th item on my poll and the percentage is low compared the 2nd and 3rd entries consisted of mostly entry level buyers.



Places like Laguna Crossing and Orchard Hills are the farthest along in development. They are also the riskiest for the land seller at this time because the pool of equity rich move up buyers is infinitesimally small. Formerly glorious days in Irvine luxury homes were the majority of the market shares drew move up buyers within an 8 mile radius. 80% of new home buyers were Irvine?s neighbors.



Recent grading activities on the flat lands are sign of shifting gear to accelerate the entry level products to meet the demand a few years from now. Level land is much more conducive for higher density entry level housing than hillside terrains.



Entry level homes in the past represented a smaller inventory within an array of larger home segmentation. Larger homes and lower density yield higher profit margin for land because less land was wasted for side yards and garages (components that the builders can?t charge the consumers for). Entry level homes lesser footage must be made up in quantity to yield decent land profit margin. The biggest hurdle is to overcome land consumption for more garages, longer road, more side yard separation between homes, greater guest parking count, and much more utility infrastructure. The dilemma is builders can?t pump up the salable footage because it will price out the entry level buyers. The only solution is to increase density. This is the reason why an entry home cost more per SF than move up homes.



Very few architects have the skill to balance the complex design and economic formula for entry level homes. Unrelenting land prices must require the top tier architects in solving this equation.



When most of the products are entry level it is extremely difficult in finding differentiations and segmentation. Apartment like condos, townhomes, detached condos, and detached narrow alley load homes are the only 4 possibilities. AI may invent a few more for me. I favor the detached solutions over attached homes. Builders will offer more footage incentive in attached homes to offset its negative premium.



Flat land developments I have seen so far are Woodbury East, Stone Gate, and another large parcel between Woodbury and Freeway 5. The likelihood of entry level homes at these sites is strong.



The big question is why should the developer carry the cost now and wait until 2011-2012 to release new homes at rock bottom prices? Obviously the waiting strategy is to maximize profitability.



For those who selected item 2 on the poll should really reconsider resale between now and then prior to new homes benchmark pricing for greedy home sellers. The lack of depreciation in Irvine is also contributed by the hope of higher benchmark pricing.
 
I would have voted #4 but took the bitter pill of losing most of my DP to sell our house and wait the market out (#2).



My big dismay is that land density will never let me see a new 3-car wide garage in Irvine unless I somehow get into Shady Canyon and build one myself... but if that happens... I'm going to one-up bkshopr and bust a 6-car wide garage.



It makes me wonder though... are garages really that undervalued such that builders don't really give them much of a thought when designing floorplans. When I drive around these $1mil+ neighborhoods and see the BMW/MBZ/LexInf parked on the driveway, it makes me think that the owner would rather have that protected in the garage if it had more space.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1231813880]I would have voted #4 but took the bitter pill of losing most of my DP to sell our house and wait the market out (#2).



My big dismay is that land density will never let me see a new 3-car wide garage in Irvine unless I somehow get into Shady Canyon and build one myself... but if that happens... I'm going to one-up bkshopr and bust a 6-car wide garage.



It makes me wonder though... are garages really that undervalued such that builders don't really give them much of a thought when designing floorplans. When I drive around these $1mil+ neighborhoods and see the BMW/MBZ/LexInf parked on the driveway, it makes me think that the owner would rather have that protected in the garage if it had more space.</blockquote>


City does not require a covered 3rd car stall for homes with 4 bedrooms or more. However the 3rd stall has to be exclusive for the homeowner therefore most developers will take advantage of the the required front setback for driveways.



Higher priced homes often demand a third car but developers opted for a tandem solution because it will save a driveway and a ten additional stretch of road. Your dream will come true when developers can charge consumer the garage the same value ratio as habitable space. Very few architectural guideline today will permit a frontal 3 car garage elevation and certainly not in metro OC. Corona and IE still offer your preferred garage solution. Shady Canyon guideline mandates no 3 car garages alignment on the same plane and they have to be turned and hidden from street view.



Your best bet is a resale.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1231815816]Shady Canyon guideline mandates no 3 car garages alignment on the same plane and they have to be turned and hidden from street view.

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So I can cross that area off my list of possible places to live. I didn't want to be a billionaire anyways.

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Your best bet is a resale.</blockquote>
Or... teardown and rebuild.



One day I will have that dream of a *new* 3-car (or greater) wide garage home in Irvine... one day.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1231817109][quote author="bkshopr" date=1231815816]Shady Canyon guideline mandates no 3 car garages alignment on the same plane and they have to be turned and hidden from street view.

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So I can cross that area off my list of possible places to live. I didn't want to be a billionaire anyways.

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Your best bet is a resale.</blockquote>
Or... teardown and rebuild.



One day I will have that dream of a *new* 3-car (or greater) wide garage home in Irvine... one day.</blockquote>


By then you also will see this around your dream home.



<img src="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z179/jsotoodeh/flying_pig.jpg" alt="" />
 
What about the "Not looking to time the exact market bottom but will buy when the numbers work out and the right home comes along" option?
 
jhammons:



Since you admitted that you are willing to catch the knife by March, may I ask you why?



Do you currently own a home now or are you renting?



Have you considered renting until you are sure that home prices have bottomed?



Sure... no one can acurately predict exactly when the bottom will hit, but when it does... you're not going to lose that much by buying a little after the bottom.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1229498220]

Chinese taste for handbags are opposite of houses. In Northern CA Chinese love Shapell and leverage its name in resale. The El Dorado at Pathfinder and Nogales is astrociously ugly. However they are better than the slums at the Colima flat land.</blockquote>


How about the homes up the hill by Nogalas & Pathfinder? I noticed that they have the alcove style kitchen hood.
 
[quote author="momopi" date=1231838237][quote author="bkshopr" date=1229498220]

Chinese taste for handbags are opposite of houses. In Northern CA Chinese love Shapell and leverage its name in resale. The El Dorado at Pathfinder and Nogales is astrociously ugly. However they are better than the slums at the Colima flat land.</blockquote>


How about the homes up the hill by Nogalas & Pathfinder? I noticed that they have the alcove style kitchen hood.</blockquote>


You are referring to the Ridgemoor built in 1996 by Akins/ Koll later acquired by Catellus during the Ridgemoor project. The project was designed for Asians with shoe cabinets by the foyer, double door entry, and having an extra "dirty" wok kitchen in additional to a show off kitchen. I actually helped Carl Akins back then with a Chinese design program during the infancy of the Chinese RE market in hills of Rowland Heights. Here is a picture of the development. It has a hood alcove like you mentioned with spice racks at both sides of the inset walls. By separating the garages take the curse off the infamous IHO's favorite 3 car garage.



<img src="http://www.rayrealty.us/marketing/FeaturedHomes/Pictures/H512088/1.jpg" alt="" />
 
Gah... what sacrilege!! The whole appeal of a 3-car wide garage is the huge giant driveway you can turn into a basketball court.



It's interesting because many houses up in the Quill look like this... except they're only single garages. Why a builder would do that is beyond me... they don't even have direct access to the house... boo.
 
Why can't Irvine build some homes like the one that bkshopr just posted above with the separated 3 car garage and shoe box near the door entry...

bah, you'd think the builders will cater to the specific needs of a certain racial segment of the future home buyers in Irvine instead of worthless junks they're turning out over the past few years.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1229567923][quote author="bkshopr" date=1229506807]Only 2 single stories were built during the last 15 years in Irvine. Plan one of Camelia in Northwood 2 and Stan Pac's plan one at Northpark Sq. Both are about 1780 sf priced over $820,000.</blockquote>
Don't forget Quail Hill:



Chantilly Plan 1 (pseudo single story... the main bedrooms are on the 1st floor and one bonus/bedroom upstairs)

Vicara Plan 1 (3000sft on one floor is impressive)</blockquote>


Hmm.. also a couple in Turtle Ridge.. I think both Amberhill Plan 1 and La Cima Plan 1 were single story..
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1231839887][quote author="momopi" date=1231838237][quote author="bkshopr" date=1229498220]

Chinese taste for handbags are opposite of houses. In Northern CA Chinese love Shapell and leverage its name in resale. The El Dorado at Pathfinder and Nogales is astrociously ugly. However they are better than the slums at the Colima flat land.</blockquote>


How about the homes up the hill by Nogalas & Pathfinder? I noticed that they have the alcove style kitchen hood.</blockquote>


You are referring to the Ridgemoor built in 1996 by Akins/ Koll later acquired by Catellus during the Ridgemoor project. The project was designed for Asians with shoe cabinets by the foyer, double door entry, and having an extra "dirty" wok kitchen in additional to a show off kitchen. I actually helped Carl Akins back then with a Chinese design program during the infancy of the Chinese RE market in hills of Rowland Heights. Here is a picture of the development. It has a hood alcove like you mentioned with spice racks at both sides of the inset walls. By separating the garages take the curse off the infamous IHO's favorite 3 car garage.



<img src="http://www.rayrealty.us/marketing/FeaturedHomes/Pictures/H512088/1.jpg" alt="" /></blockquote>


I really like Ridgemoor. Especially homes on single loaded streets with great backyard views of the SGV. I always thought Ridgemoor seemed to have all of the things a Chinese buyer would want, I'm glad to see that didn't happen by accident.
 
My buddy owns a home up there on Routh Drive (2nd alley up the hill). The homes on his street has 3 car garages (side by side) in front. I suspect their home is of a different tract than the ones pictured above, which is probably behind the security gate up Ridgeview?



If you live "down the hill" on those streets, you have to be careful because the street is curved, and some of the drivers go down hill way too fast. One time I was hauling some fishing gear to the car and this lady almost ran me over. Thankfully, I was able to dive out of her way without breaking any of my rods.



<img src="http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rha/lowres/rhan901l.jpg" alt="" />
 
[quote author="High Gravity" date=1231896904][quote author="bkshopr" date=1231839887][quote author="momopi" date=1231838237][quote author="bkshopr" date=1229498220]

Chinese taste for handbags are opposite of houses. In Northern CA Chinese love Shapell and leverage its name in resale. The El Dorado at Pathfinder and Nogales is astrociously ugly. However they are better than the slums at the Colima flat land.</blockquote>


How about the homes up the hill by Nogalas & Pathfinder? I noticed that they have the alcove style kitchen hood.</blockquote>


You are referring to the Ridgemoor built in 1996 by Akins/ Koll later acquired by Catellus during the Ridgemoor project. The project was designed for Asians with shoe cabinets by the foyer, double door entry, and having an extra "dirty" wok kitchen in additional to a show off kitchen. I actually helped Carl Akins back then with a Chinese design program during the infancy of the Chinese RE market in hills of Rowland Heights. Here is a picture of the development. It has a hood alcove like you mentioned with spice racks at both sides of the inset walls. By separating the garages take the curse off the infamous IHO's favorite 3 car garage.



<img src="http://www.rayrealty.us/marketing/FeaturedHomes/Pictures/H512088/1.jpg" alt="" /></blockquote>


I really like Ridgemoor. Especially homes on single loaded streets with great backyard views of the SGV. I always thought Ridgemoor seemed to have all of the things a Chinese buyer would want, I'm glad to see that didn't happen by accident.</blockquote>


Yes that was the project as you described: single loaded street with over view. The tract with all 3 cars were Shea.
 
[quote author="zovall" date=1231896820][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1229567923][quote author="bkshopr" date=1229506807]Only 2 single stories were built during the last 15 years in Irvine. Plan one of Camelia in Northwood 2 and Stan Pac's plan one at Northpark Sq. Both are about 1780 sf priced over $820,000.</blockquote>
Don't forget Quail Hill:



Chantilly Plan 1 (pseudo single story... the main bedrooms are on the 1st floor and one bonus/bedroom upstairs)

Vicara Plan 1 (3000sft on one floor is impressive)</blockquote>


Hmm.. also a couple in Turtle Ridge.. I think both Amberhill Plan 1 and La Cima Plan 1 were single story..</blockquote>


Yes, you are right! the Amberhill single story has an outside stairs leading to the second story bedroom suite. I think a majority of the buyers took that option. Likewise the La Cima plan one as shown in the model has an elaborate second floor built above the single story home with 2 bedroom suites sharing a second story living room having a kitchenette, an interior stairs and an outside stairs.



Both of these although intended to be single stories but developers greed of the second story options that most consumers selected defeated the single story character of the neighborhood. Viccara did have a pure single story.



Single story is developers' nightmare in land consumption. Most lose money on the land but captured the lost revenue by pumping up footage on the 2 story houses.
 
[quote author="tenmagnet" date=1231911147]Prestige?

There appears to be a Lexus parked in front of that garage.</blockquote>


But Ten, I don't see Lexus on <a href="http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&story=top100K&subject=more&referer=advice">this list.</a> Can't be much of a status symbol...
 
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