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[quote author="garrison" date=1259834730][quote author="gypsyuma" date=1259830588][quote author="garrison" date=1259812090]I've read many of the conspiracy sites regarding 9/11. They're so full of whack-job theories I can't wrap my mind around how anyone could believe any of it. While I won't call anyone "retarded", I'd doubt many of the conspiracy theorists have any formal education or background in hard science. But what would I know, I only graduated with a Physics degree from a little school by the Severn River...



Psst....we also really did land on the moon, it wasn't a studio back-lot!



edit: Never mind, I'm done trying to reason with you...I just went to your hate Israel site. I've also read your posts about arranging marriages. So you're either Palestinian or Pakistani, correct? Do you own a "I heart Osama" t-shirt as well?</blockquote>


Well, now you have shown your true colors, haven't you. I try and discuss something RESPECTFULLY, and you have throw out the big bad racist remarks. Did they teach you racism in your big bad science school too?



<strong>Your</strong> an asswipe.</blockquote>


And <em><strong>you're</strong></em> an attorney, are you not? I would hope you would learn the difference between the possessive form of "you" and its contraction in law school. Yeah, I'm a racist alright...whatever. I just hate stupid people. You really think the Jews were behind 9/11?</blockquote>


So try and have my license yanked if it makes you feel all superior and shit.



And if you have a problem with me making a typo, then by all means, bring your ass on over to my house and take care of my four kids so that I can make sure I dot all my "i"s and cross all my "t"s for you.



You obviously have a small dick you are trying to make up for. And I do not discuss politics with racists, because like you, I do not talk to STUPID PEOPLE!
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1259834354][quote author="gypsyuma" date=1259830706][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1259823099][quote author="gypsyuma" date=1259809537]But then there is the WHO? WHY? WHAT? that are up for discussion because they are not factual. And it is this that I am still unclear about.</blockquote>


None of the conspiracy theorists have an S.E. license and are working. Every engineer I know who does seismic (that includes my wife) believe the conventional wisdom. One of them wrote the current codes for seismic. Certainly you are free to believe who you like, but I believe the structural engineers I know.</blockquote>


Thank you for the RESPECTFUL response. But my questions go beyond structural ones.



Since I can see that there are racists just waiting and ready to pounce on anything I say, I will just leave it at that.</blockquote>


I disagree. In order to believe the conspiracy, you must abandon all the data and studies by the SE?s on why the buildings came down (and there?s reams), and believe that the structural engineers are lying to cover up for some clandestine effort to cover for the Israelis or the CIA or men on the moon or whoever. None of the theory?s work without assuming something nefarious happened to bring the building down outside of two jetliners filled with JP-5 hyjacked by Al Qaeda AND you ignore the SE's.



While the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by people who happened to be Muslim, they share something with McVeigh and those guys who tried to blow up the LP storage station near Fresno (getting ?back? at the government for Ruby Ridge and Waco) ? they were all crazy anti-government types willing to target civilians, and in some mentally deranged twisted reality, decided that their ?cause? was worth it.



And I have an "I heart Obama" shirt.</blockquote>


I get what you are saying - I totally do. But I still have questions that are unresolved. I will give just one example, because I have a rabid racist with a small dick biting at my ass.



Why after 9/11 did Bush block the investigation into what happened for more than a year, which in effect destroyed alot of the evidence?



And there you have it...... if having doubts and questions like this makes me an "Osama lover", then so be it.



And I have a "I heart Edward Cullen" shirt.
 
[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1259835343]If there was ever a reason to <em>not</em> feel bad about the forums closing, this is it.</blockquote>


I could not agree more. And if this is how it is going to roll over at the new place, then I will just take my Osama loving ass out of the picture.
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1259834919][quote author="gypsyuma" date=1259830706][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1259823099][quote author="gypsyuma" date=1259809537]But then there is the WHO? WHY? WHAT? that are up for discussion because they are not factual. And it is this that I am still unclear about.</blockquote>


None of the conspiracy theorists have an S.E. license and are working. Every engineer I know who does seismic (that includes my wife) believe the conventional wisdom. One of them wrote the current codes for seismic. Certainly you are free to believe who you like, but I believe the structural engineers I know.</blockquote>


Thank you for the RESPECTFUL response. But my questions go beyond structural ones.



Since I can see that there are racists just waiting and ready to pounce on anything I say, I will just leave it at that.</blockquote>


In order to suppose that our own government was responsible for 9/11, you have to zoom out a bit and question the goal: what is the point of staging a fake terrorist attack? Ostensibly, the point would be politically popular excuse for war with the offending group, but why OBL and AQ? Since you brought up the missing WMD and Iraq, it would seem a logical conclusion that if 9/11 were staged, they would have framed a more belligerent and more politically viable target like Iraq and Saddam in the first place instead of some backwater 4th world country like Afghanistan. And why frame Saudi nationals when the risk of popular uprising against our "ally" was so high?



Finally, what I consider to be the nail in the coffin of the idea that Bush & Co. were part of a 9/11 conspiracy: any evidence would be out by now, proclaimed publically, verified by independent sources, and indictments and investigations would be all the news covered. While absence of evidence isn't always evidence of absence, with as polarizing a Presidency as Bush's (and even a few faked news stories from CBS) if there was any truth out there it would have been revealed already. The only thing keeping this conspiracy theory alive is the inability of people, who find the overall idea intriguing, to investigate the debris for themselves and put to rest any lingering doubt.



But again, there is NO credible, verifiable, and unequivocal proof being kept from you and you risk your own credibility by beating the dead horse. Unless you also believe Obama was in on it. ;)</blockquote>


Never said it was our government, so I will just stop reading what you wrote right there.
 
[quote author="gypsyuma" date=1259835535][quote author="Nude" date=1259834919][quote author="gypsyuma" date=1259830706][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1259823099][quote author="gypsyuma" date=1259809537]But then there is the WHO? WHY? WHAT? that are up for discussion because they are not factual. And it is this that I am still unclear about.</blockquote>


None of the conspiracy theorists have an S.E. license and are working. Every engineer I know who does seismic (that includes my wife) believe the conventional wisdom. One of them wrote the current codes for seismic. Certainly you are free to believe who you like, but I believe the structural engineers I know.</blockquote>


Thank you for the RESPECTFUL response. But my questions go beyond structural ones.



Since I can see that there are racists just waiting and ready to pounce on anything I say, I will just leave it at that.</blockquote>


In order to suppose that our own government was responsible for 9/11, you have to zoom out a bit and question the goal: what is the point of staging a fake terrorist attack? Ostensibly, the point would be politically popular excuse for war with the offending group, but why OBL and AQ? Since you brought up the missing WMD and Iraq, it would seem a logical conclusion that if 9/11 were staged, they would have framed a more belligerent and more politically viable target like Iraq and Saddam in the first place instead of some backwater 4th world country like Afghanistan. And why frame Saudi nationals when the risk of popular uprising against our "ally" was so high?



Finally, what I consider to be the nail in the coffin of the idea that Bush & Co. were part of a 9/11 conspiracy: any evidence would be out by now, proclaimed publically, verified by independent sources, and indictments and investigations would be all the news covered. While absence of evidence isn't always evidence of absence, with as polarizing a Presidency as Bush's (and even a few faked news stories from CBS) if there was any truth out there it would have been revealed already. The only thing keeping this conspiracy theory alive is the inability of people, who find the overall idea intriguing, to investigate the debris for themselves and put to rest any lingering doubt.



But again, there is NO credible, verifiable, and unequivocal proof being kept from you and you risk your own credibility by beating the dead horse. Unless you also believe Obama was in on it. ;)</blockquote>


Never said it was our government, so I will just stop reading what you wrote right there.</blockquote>


Really? Open minded enough to believe unproven conspiracies but you won;t read three paragraphs? Not even to see if ANY of it applies, such as your question about Bush delaying any investigation?



Your passion may make you a great advocate for your clients, but you are letting it blind you to reason. There is NO evidence that supports a conspiracy by anyone else than those who perpetrated it. Just because you can concieve the possiblity does not mean it was really possible.



And for the record, I have an "I heart Sadat" t-shirt from the 3rd grade... top that, bitches.
 
I can top it: I still have a couple of those decks of cards they passed out to US Servicemen lying around.



I can also say this because I have family that was mentally disabled and they have no issue with me repeating this.



"Arguing on the internet is alot like participating in the Special Olympics. You may come in first, but your still a retard".



SGIP.
 
gawd what has this thread turned into?



we are living in history and 911 is only a part of that history. let the story unfold before we jump to conclusions.



but do tell, why the chicken crossed the road..
 
[quote author="LoudRoar" date=1259839723]gawd what has this thread turned into?



we are living in history and 911 is only a part of that history. let the story unfold before we jump to conclusions.



but do tell, why the chicken crossed the road..</blockquote>


Becasue I need 30 or so more posts in the next 24 hours....
 
[quote author="LoudRoar" date=1259839723]gawd what has this thread turned into?



we are living in history and 911 is only a part of that history. let the story unfold before we jump to conclusions.



but do tell, <strong>why the chicken crossed the road</strong>..</blockquote>


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So, in summary: This 9/11 discussion was orchestrated by no_vas to reach 4,000 posts.



I was stuck in a taxi during Friday night traffic with a 9/11 conspiracy theorist taxi driver from LAX to Orange County about 5 years ago. I almost jumped out into traffic. He also told me about how evil the Federal Reserve was. Wait, does Awgee drive a taxi? :bug: I kid, I kid.
 
[quote author="Minimorty" date=1259828903]how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?</blockquote>


<a href="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_wood_could_a_woodchuck_chuck_if_a_woodchuck_could_chuck_wood">From this:</a>



<em>Using the formula: (W + I) * C where W = the constant of wood, which is well known to be 61, as agreed in many scientific circles. I = the variable in this equation, and stands for the word "if" from the original problem. As there are three circumstances, with 0 equaling the chance that the woodchuck cannot chuck wood, 1 being the theory that the woodchuck can chuck wood but chooses not to, and 2 standing for the probability that the woodchuck can and will chuck wood, we clearly must choose 2 for use in this equation. C = the constant of Chuck Norris, whose presence in any problem involving the word chuck must there, is well known to equal 1.1 of any known being, therefore the final part of this calculation is 1.1. As is clear, this appears to give the answer of (61 + 2) * 1.1 = (63) * 1.1 = 69.3. However, Chuck Norris' awesome roundhouse kick declares that all decimal points cannot be used in formulas such as this, and so it must be rounded to the final solution of 69 units of wood.</em>
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1259839903][quote author="LoudRoar" date=1259839723]gawd what has this thread turned into?



we are living in history and 911 is only a part of that history. let the story unfold before we jump to conclusions.



but do tell, why the chicken crossed the road..</blockquote>


Becasue I need 30 or so more posts in the next 24 hours....</blockquote>


You could talk about chicken farming...
 
<strong>Off color, but too funny not to share!</strong>



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