Trooper_IHB
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I saw a sign the other day that said, "Don't believe in my marriage? Well then, I don't believe in your magic underwear." I had to Google it.
Who gave big money to ban gay marriage? (yes on 8)
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First, I am sorry that you were the victim of those acts. . . it only hurts the cause.
However, I never understood this argument. What would same-sex marriage do to the "core unit of society"? The divorce rate of this country is 50 percent. The rate of divorce between Christians and Non-Christians are basically the same. We are not up and arms about divorces and how we need to outlaw them? What exact same-sex marriage do to the institution of marriage.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
I hope they break one down for Orange County. Currently, the only place I don't buy from is Exxon Mobil, who won't put sexual orientation in it's anti-discrimination policy.
I received this notice and link in email today. There will be a protest gathering at City Hall in Irvine at 10:30. The protest list is broken down by state/city/county for easy reference. It looks like its quite well coordinated:
front page - http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/
California, specifically- http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/page/California
MB - I'm sorry your car was vandalized. Were you sporting a Yes on 8 bumpersticker? I know a lot of Dems in OC who stopped putting bumperstickers on their cars for the very same reason. It's very sad that people can't disagree without resorting to violence against people or property. I have hope though that those people are a tiny minority.
Well, you lost me on that. I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
Although the Mormon Church was not the only supporter of Prop 8, even you realize that without its overwhelming support, it might not have passed, yes? I know there has been a lot of focus on the non-Caucasian vote, but I think that misses the point. Had any one of the large voting blocs been smaller or not present, Prop 8 would not have passed. So focusing on large voting blocs is, I think, part of understanding what No on 8 folks need to do next time. While the various large voting blocs may not appreciate the new-found attention, it is part and parcel of being "out there" on the issue. As your fellow Mormon Stephen Covey says, "When you pick up one end of the stick, you pick up the other." Or as I like to say, "If you are going to stand up for something, you need to have the courage of your convictions."
Don't interpret that to mean that I think violent acts are ok.
Thanks for mentioning that. I never knew.
IrvineCommuter_IHB
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mediaboyz said:I gave money -- but not big moneyto support YES on Prop 8 because I felt it is the right thing for the the family and feel it is the core unit of society. Others on the PROP 8 threads have done a great job explaining other reasons so I'll leave my explanation here. I'm also a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The comments on here and expletive name calling about the church or its members are not appreciated.
Contrary to popular belief: 1. We were not the only ones behind the YES on 8 vote and 2. We did not provide a majority of funds rather 40 percent of funds with help by others like The Catholic Church.
First, I am sorry that you were the victim of those acts. . . it only hurts the cause.
However, I never understood this argument. What would same-sex marriage do to the "core unit of society"? The divorce rate of this country is 50 percent. The rate of divorce between Christians and Non-Christians are basically the same. We are not up and arms about divorces and how we need to outlaw them? What exact same-sex marriage do to the institution of marriage.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
earthbm_IHB
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magic underwear!
"The world is a comedy to those that think; a tragedy to those that feel"
If I were an enterprising governor of some small neighbouring state (Oregon? Nevada?) I'd push thru a quick law legalizing gay marriage. Would do wonders to the economy.
"The world is a comedy to those that think; a tragedy to those that feel"
If I were an enterprising governor of some small neighbouring state (Oregon? Nevada?) I'd push thru a quick law legalizing gay marriage. Would do wonders to the economy.
Trooper_IHB
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First, I am sorry that you were the victim of those acts. . . it only hurts the cause.
I agree 100%
There is a State by State effort going on now to dissect the names of business owners who donated to any of the National anti-gay marriage amendments. The first of the lists are now being disseminated after being broken down into counties. They will further be broken down into cities and towns. The same is happening for Mormon owned businesses, etc.
Hey, what's fair is fair. I will never give another of my gay dollars to any of these businesses.....and thats where it will be felt the most. An economic boycott. Not only by us, but by our straight, fair minded allies.
If anyone is interested in doing the same, simply Google it.
There will be a huge co-ordinated Nationwide protest this Saturday at 10:30 am West Coast, 1:30 pm East Coast.
I agree 100%
There is a State by State effort going on now to dissect the names of business owners who donated to any of the National anti-gay marriage amendments. The first of the lists are now being disseminated after being broken down into counties. They will further be broken down into cities and towns. The same is happening for Mormon owned businesses, etc.
Hey, what's fair is fair. I will never give another of my gay dollars to any of these businesses.....and thats where it will be felt the most. An economic boycott. Not only by us, but by our straight, fair minded allies.
If anyone is interested in doing the same, simply Google it.
There will be a huge co-ordinated Nationwide protest this Saturday at 10:30 am West Coast, 1:30 pm East Coast.
savvysearch_IHB
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Trooper said:
I hope they break one down for Orange County. Currently, the only place I don't buy from is Exxon Mobil, who won't put sexual orientation in it's anti-discrimination policy.
NoWowway_IHB
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Trooper said:
I received this notice and link in email today. There will be a protest gathering at City Hall in Irvine at 10:30. The protest list is broken down by state/city/county for easy reference. It looks like its quite well coordinated:
front page - http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/
California, specifically- http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/page/California
Trooper_IHB
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I haven't bought ExxonMobil gas in about 3 years now.....
EvaLSeraphim_IHB
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mediaboyz said:After being gone for a while I finally have gotten caught up on some threads, here is my input:
I gave money -- but not big money
Contrary to popular belief: 1. We were not the only ones behind the YES on 8 vote and 2. We did not provide a majority of funds rather 40 percent of funds with help by others like The Catholic Church.
The effort was good overall but challenging at times. Personally I know friends who had signs stolen, and my car was vandalized. Not very tolerant.
MB - I'm sorry your car was vandalized. Were you sporting a Yes on 8 bumpersticker? I know a lot of Dems in OC who stopped putting bumperstickers on their cars for the very same reason. It's very sad that people can't disagree without resorting to violence against people or property. I have hope though that those people are a tiny minority.
Well, you lost me on that. I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
Although the Mormon Church was not the only supporter of Prop 8, even you realize that without its overwhelming support, it might not have passed, yes? I know there has been a lot of focus on the non-Caucasian vote, but I think that misses the point. Had any one of the large voting blocs been smaller or not present, Prop 8 would not have passed. So focusing on large voting blocs is, I think, part of understanding what No on 8 folks need to do next time. While the various large voting blocs may not appreciate the new-found attention, it is part and parcel of being "out there" on the issue. As your fellow Mormon Stephen Covey says, "When you pick up one end of the stick, you pick up the other." Or as I like to say, "If you are going to stand up for something, you need to have the courage of your convictions."
Don't interpret that to mean that I think violent acts are ok.
EvaLSeraphim_IHB
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savvy said:
Thanks for mentioning that. I never knew.
NoWowway_IHB
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This wouldn't be the first time that the Mormons were against civil rights. They also opposed the Equal Rights Amendment.
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In Utah, the attack against ERA began when the amendment was first considered by the Utah legislature in 1973. The same fears of anti-ERA opponents prompted Mormon Church leaders to join their financial resources, promotional skills and broad network of members to the anti-ERA movement. In 1976, church leaders described ERA as "a moral issue with many disturbing ramifications for women and for the family as individual members as a whole." President Spencer Kimball declared it "would strike at the family, humankind's basic institution."
In typical grassroots fashion, ward bishops solicited donations to support the anti-ERA effort, speeches against the amendment were deemed appropriate at all church meetings, and church buildings were used as anti-ERA literature distribution centers. Church-sponsored anti-ERA organizations operated in Florida, Nevada, North and South Carolina, Missouri, Illinois and Arizona.
As the official voice of the church, the Ensign published articles clarifying the church's position, speeches about ratification given by church leaders in different locations, and official policy statements that left no room for misinterpretation. Bishops, stake presidents, teachers and women read them in classes, and official press packets were distributed widely to local newspapers, television personalities and other individuals in the media. In March 1980, the Church went all out with the publication of The Church and the Proposed Equal Rights Amendment: A Moral Issue.
In the midst of this anti-ERA campaign, active Mormon Sonia Johnson testified in 1978 in support of ERA before the Senate Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights, upsetting Senator Orrin Hatch. Her feisty testimony caught media attention, and she became a lightening rod for Mormon and other religious supporters of equality. Subsequently though, she was excommunicated from the Mormon Church in December 1979.
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In Utah, the attack against ERA began when the amendment was first considered by the Utah legislature in 1973. The same fears of anti-ERA opponents prompted Mormon Church leaders to join their financial resources, promotional skills and broad network of members to the anti-ERA movement. In 1976, church leaders described ERA as "a moral issue with many disturbing ramifications for women and for the family as individual members as a whole." President Spencer Kimball declared it "would strike at the family, humankind's basic institution."
In typical grassroots fashion, ward bishops solicited donations to support the anti-ERA effort, speeches against the amendment were deemed appropriate at all church meetings, and church buildings were used as anti-ERA literature distribution centers. Church-sponsored anti-ERA organizations operated in Florida, Nevada, North and South Carolina, Missouri, Illinois and Arizona.
As the official voice of the church, the Ensign published articles clarifying the church's position, speeches about ratification given by church leaders in different locations, and official policy statements that left no room for misinterpretation. Bishops, stake presidents, teachers and women read them in classes, and official press packets were distributed widely to local newspapers, television personalities and other individuals in the media. In March 1980, the Church went all out with the publication of The Church and the Proposed Equal Rights Amendment: A Moral Issue.
In the midst of this anti-ERA campaign, active Mormon Sonia Johnson testified in 1978 in support of ERA before the Senate Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights, upsetting Senator Orrin Hatch. Her feisty testimony caught media attention, and she became a lightening rod for Mormon and other religious supporters of equality. Subsequently though, she was excommunicated from the Mormon Church in December 1979.
Trooper_IHB
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Calls for a boycott of ExxonMobil in online forums began after the merger when the corporation revoked Mobil's queer-inclusive policies at the end of 1999. The Boycott received a major boost when the Human Rights Campaign endorsed it last month.
So I stand corrected. I haven't bought ExxonMobil gay for more years than I remember !
Mobil had domestic partner benefits for their employees, but when they merged with Exxon, the Exxon sharholders decided that didn't mesh with their ethics....so Mobil employees that had benefits, suddenly lost them. They have never been returned and the boycott continues.
Same happened with Coors beer many, many years ago....but they finally smartened up.....after a prominent Coors family member came out of the closet ! I still won't drink it though. (I mean, it sux as far as beer goes....but that's beside the point)
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Another significant boycott was that against the Coors Brewing Company. The action was initiated in 1973 by labor unions protesting the company's antagonistic attitude. They were soon joined by gay men and lesbians, African Americans, and Latinos dissatisfied with the corporation's practices.
Glbtq activists were particularly incensed that the brewery put prospective employees through a polygraph test to determine, among other things, if they were homosexual. Not surprisingly, Coors did not have an anti-discrimination policy, and prospective employees discovered to be homosexual were not hired.
So I stand corrected. I haven't bought ExxonMobil gay for more years than I remember !
Mobil had domestic partner benefits for their employees, but when they merged with Exxon, the Exxon sharholders decided that didn't mesh with their ethics....so Mobil employees that had benefits, suddenly lost them. They have never been returned and the boycott continues.
Same happened with Coors beer many, many years ago....but they finally smartened up.....after a prominent Coors family member came out of the closet ! I still won't drink it though. (I mean, it sux as far as beer goes....but that's beside the point)
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Another significant boycott was that against the Coors Brewing Company. The action was initiated in 1973 by labor unions protesting the company's antagonistic attitude. They were soon joined by gay men and lesbians, African Americans, and Latinos dissatisfied with the corporation's practices.
Glbtq activists were particularly incensed that the brewery put prospective employees through a polygraph test to determine, among other things, if they were homosexual. Not surprisingly, Coors did not have an anti-discrimination policy, and prospective employees discovered to be homosexual were not hired.
TimHume_IHB
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From what I have read, Stephanie Meyer, the author of the Twilight book is a Mormon. I think I will be making it a point to not go see this movie.
NoWowway_IHB
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Dobson & Focus on the Family
Dobson & Focus on the Family
Trooper_IHB
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And here's the article, in case people don't understand NoWow's video. This should help it make sense.
Focus on the Family donates $622,000 to Yes on 8, then lays off 202 workers due to "budget constraints"
The irony.....
Focus on the Family donates $622,000 to Yes on 8, then lays off 202 workers due to "budget constraints"
The irony.....
savvysearch_IHB
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NoWowway_IHB
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Not sure how all the boycotting is going. I do have my own small list of things to avoid, including boycotting skiing this year in Utah and not staying in a list of hotels owned by prop8 supporters.
However, Karma seems to be a continuing problem for all those "pious" people who support the ban on gay marriage. From the OC Business Journal(you probably need to subscribe to it,so will put an excerpt here)
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
This past week’s news from www.ocbj.com and other sources
Compiled by Julie LeupoldTOP STORIES
Shares of Irvine chipmaker Microsemi Corp. took a wild ride last week after reports that Chief Executive James J. Peterson didn’t earn degrees from Brigham Young University that appear on his resume. Peterson denied misrepresenting his education, but the school maintains it never issued him degrees. San Diego investor Barry Minkow, who has shorted Microsemi’s shares hoping to profit from their decline, first made the allegations against Peterson. The news sent Microsemi’s shares down 40% before rebounding Friday to a market value of about $1 billion after Microsemi’s board expressed support for Peterson.
In related news, Irvine chipmaker Broadcom Corp. fired senior vice president of global manufacturing Vahid Manian after Minkow said he didn’t receive a University of California, Irvine, degree as stated in his biography. Minkow said he didn’t hold a short position in Broadcom’s shares.
However, Karma seems to be a continuing problem for all those "pious" people who support the ban on gay marriage. From the OC Business Journal(you probably need to subscribe to it,so will put an excerpt here)
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
This past week’s news from www.ocbj.com and other sources
Compiled by Julie LeupoldTOP STORIES
Shares of Irvine chipmaker Microsemi Corp. took a wild ride last week after reports that Chief Executive James J. Peterson didn’t earn degrees from Brigham Young University that appear on his resume. Peterson denied misrepresenting his education, but the school maintains it never issued him degrees. San Diego investor Barry Minkow, who has shorted Microsemi’s shares hoping to profit from their decline, first made the allegations against Peterson. The news sent Microsemi’s shares down 40% before rebounding Friday to a market value of about $1 billion after Microsemi’s board expressed support for Peterson.
In related news, Irvine chipmaker Broadcom Corp. fired senior vice president of global manufacturing Vahid Manian after Minkow said he didn’t receive a University of California, Irvine, degree as stated in his biography. Minkow said he didn’t hold a short position in Broadcom’s shares.