Where do you get your Ph??

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Pho Nguyen Hue

10487 Bolsa Ave

Westminster, CA 92684

(714) 839-8916



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This is a momo preferred places to get ph? g?, or chicken noodles (items #19-25 on their menu). The other entr?e's are OK but not that great. Be warned that this place is a little ghetto, parking is difficult and food is not MSG free. Ask for an order of You Tiao (gi? ch?o qu?y) and soak it in the soup. Check the bakery to the left side of the restaurant. Get the purple colored roundish taro baked pastry, they're about $1.50 and very tasty.
 
[quote author="No_Such_Reality" date=1217569046]Pho' Bac ~ Barranca & Yale in Stonegate.</blockquote>


In Irvine, I'll second Pho Bac on Barranca, we eat there at least once a week. They do a great job with packaging up their takeout orders as well.



On the other end of the spectrum, Pho 99 at Walnut/Jeffrey is horrific --- avoid.
 
<strong>A brief on Ph?</strong>



<em>This is an attempt by non-Vietnamese to describe (briefly) the history of Ph?, and a few popular regional varieties. Apologies for any inaccuracies.</em>



To summarize history, prior to arrival of the French, Vietnam was like many of her Asian neighbors, refraining from consumption of beef. The family cow spent most of its life laboring in the rice paddies, it was just immoral to kill it for meat. Then the French came and Moo-Moo's became fillet mignon and pot-au-feu. End of history lesson.



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The Vietnamese wasted no time in adopting to French tastes in beef. The first ph? b?, or beef noodle is reported to have been served between late 1800's to early 1900's, in the provicne of Nam Dinh, just SW of Hanoi. The dish quickly spread to Hanoi, then to other cities. Ph? b? was served with clear beef bone soup base, with banh pho, a white rice noodle. If you could afford it (back then), your bowl came with slices of beef, or various beef bits and parts (tendon, tripe, oxtail, etc).



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Generally speaking Ph? is considered a northern Vietnamese dish (Pho Bac = Northern Pho), with some Chinese and French influences. Purists prefer to eat it without a lot of garnish or sauce, because they consider the soup base to be most important, and should NOT be contaminated in flavor by adding lime juice, hoisin, or chili sauce directly into the bowl. Purists don't even like bean sprouts. If you see a plate of onions on the side, put some chili sauce on it and eat it with a spoon (along with some soup), but don't put it inside your bowl.



During the mid 20th century, Vietnam was divided between North and South via 1954 Geneva Conference. An estimated 2 million North Vietnamese moved South, increasing the popularity of Ph? in Southern Vietnam. The South Vietnamese added their own preferred garnish, such as bean sprouts, cilantro, basil, lime, hosin sauce, etc.



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Over time, various other ingredients are added, such as beef balls, seafood, chicken, etc. My favorite variety is chicken, which is made with clear chicken soup base (no beef bones):



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Now let's briefly go over the 3 main regions of Vietnam, and their local Ph? varieties. Wikipedia also has a good write-up:

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_Vietnam">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_Vietnam</a>





<strong>Northern Vietnam</strong>



Ph? b? (beef noodle), which we've already covered. Bun, a thin rice vermicelli, typically served in dishes like B?n Cha (with grilled pork), and B?n Than, which is a chicken noodle soup.



B?n Cha, note the rice vermicelli is served "dry" on a plate. You can read more about it <a href="http://www.noodlepie.com/bun_cha/index.html">here</a>.



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B?n Than (chicken noodle soup), in this picture the soup hasn't been added:

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<strong>Central Vietnam</strong>



Central Vietnam is famous for their B?n B? Hu?, which is served with pork-beef-lemon grass soup base, and bun noodles (roundish rice noodles). In addition to the beef, be warned that this dish may come with pig's feet, pig's blood cubes, and other goodies like steamed pork and shrimp paste. The spicy lemon grass soup WILL STAIN if you get it on your shirt. You can read more about it <a href="http://wanderingchopsticks.blogspot.com/2008/06/bun-bo-hue-vietnamese-hue-style-beef.html">here</a>. There's a few restaurants in Westminster that serves Central Vietnamese dishes, I'll post them later in this thread.



Two versions of B?n B? Hu?, note the noodle looks different from typical northern Ph?:

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Other Central Vietnam dishes include M? Qu?ng, from Quang Nam province. The traditional style use a yellow-ish noodle, but these days I've seen it served with white noodles. You can read more about it <a href="http://www.vietworldkitchen.com/features/mi_quang.htm">here</a>.

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And there's B?n m?ng Vit, which is served with bamboo (m?ng) shoots and duck: (quack quack)

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<strong>Southern Vietnam</strong>



As mentioned earlier, the South Vietnamese adopted their own styles of garnish to Ph?. In addition, they have local noodle styles, as well as those influenced by Chinese immigrants, Thai-Khmer (Cambodian), and possibly Ch?m.



After the Manchu conquest of Ming Dynasty, many ethnic Chinese immigrated from Guangdong to Vietnam. About 85% of them lived in the south in 1970's, and are referred to as "Hoa". They typically spoke Cantonese or Teochew. These Chinese immigrants also brought with them Southern style Chinese noodles to Vietnam, typically referred to as "mi" in Vietnamese, as well as flat/wide Chinese noodles for pan frying, and clear noodles used in Hu Tieu Thanh Xuan and Hu Tieu Mi Kho. But the Vietnamese "B?n" noodle is totally indigenous.



Here's a picture of Hu Tieu Mi Kho, made with clear noodle (aka "glass noodle) and egg noodles. Typically clear noodles are served with seafood, but can also be found with beef/pork or combination with seafood:

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"Glass Noodles":

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Crunchy Chinese egg noodles (mi):

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Here's another Southern dish, B?n ri?u (crab meat noodle soup). This version is topped wtih crab and shrimp paste:

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Bun Thit Nuong, rice noodles with pork and veggies -- Recipe <a href="http://www.whats4eats.com/recipes/r_pa_bunthit.php">here</a>. This dish is served with cold vermicelli noodle, sometimes with sliced marinated cucumber, daikon, carrot, with veggies and sprouts added, and toped with marinated pork and served with fish sauce on the side. In the photo below, some of the veggies went into the sauce. @_@

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Bun cha gio, or noodle with fried egg rolls (cha gio = fried eggrolls). This dish is usually served with cold vermicelli on bottom, topped with veggies and cut fried eggroll, with fish sauce on the side:

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Here's a Southern dish with some Chinese & Khmer (Cambodian) influence, Hu Tieu Nam Vang, aka Phnom Penh Noodle Soup (recipe <a href="http://vietworldkitchen.typepad.com/blog/2007/11/hu-tieu-nam-van.html">here</a>). This dish could be made with a variety of different noodles, but the soup is pork bone based and not beef or fish. Go here for more info: <a href="http://www.noodlepie.com/hu_tieu/index.html">http://www.noodlepie.com/hu_tieu/index.html</a>

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Here's another variety of Hu Tieu noodles, Hu Tieu My Tho. My Tho is a city about 70 km SW of Saigon. This dish is made with pork bone soup stock, ground pork, pork bone/ribs/knuckle, clear, roundish medium chewy noodle, and somewhat fatty:

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I do not know the name of the place, but it is one block west of Newport Ave. on McFadden. I think it may be called Pho Bien.
 
My SIL is Vietnamese. So, I have my fair share of Vietnamese food on weekends in Little Saigon.



We went to Pho Thang Long this weekend. I don't think they have MSG in their soup base as I did not cry out for gallons of "water" afterwards. The place is very busy. There may be a wait if you go after 12 noon. I like the big waterfall feature in the restaurant. Very unique. Nice, clean and modern atmosphere.



9550 Bolsa Ave #115F

Westiminster, CA 92683

714-839-4955
 
If you're taking a date to Little Saigon for Central Vietnamese food, dishes like spicy beef B?n B? Hu? and M? Qu?ng, I could suggest Quan Hy. The interior decoration is nice and everything looks clean. Unfortunately by being overly clean, the food isn't as tasty. But it's a good place to take non-Vietnamese. Restaurant's atmosphere is great for couples. There's also a good beef jerky place to the right side of the restaurant. Also, as a bit of trivia, one scene in the movie "The Fast and the Furious" was filmed in <a href="http://www.seeing-stars.com/ImagePages/LittleSaigonGatePhoto.shtml">this parking lot</a>.



Quan Hy Restaurant

9727 Bolsa Ave

Westminster, CA 92683

(714) 775-7179

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For those with more hardy constitution, and looking for more traditional, authentic flavor, I recommend Ngu Binh:



Ngu Binh Restaurant

14072 Magnolia St Ste 107

Westminster, CA 92683

(714) 903-6000

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If Ngu Binh scares you, try Quan Vy Da instead. It's authentic enough for Central Vietnamese noodles but not as ghetto. For the squrmish, when ordering B?n B? Hu? tell the the waiter "no pig's feet, no pig blood".



Quan Vy Da

9950 Bolsa Ave Ste B

Westminster, CA 92683

(714) 531-2905



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Another good place to take a date is Brodard Chateau. Wonderfully decorated with a full service bar, but food is a little pricey (by local standards). Order the Brodard rolls with chef's special sauce -- Nem Nuong Cuon (Pork) & Chao Tom Cuon (Shrimp). Skip the rolls with any other dipping sauce (plum?). Here, you can also order the glass noodle and duck noodle (B?n m?ng vit) that I mentioned in earlier post.



Brodard Chateau

9100 Trask Avenue

Garden Grove, CA 92844

(714) 899-8273

<a href="http://www.brodard.net/chateau/overview.html">http://www.brodard.net/chateau/overview.html</a>

Menu: <a href="http://www.brodard.net/chateau/PDF/BrodardChateau_Menu.pdf">http://www.brodard.net/chateau/PDF/BrodardChateau_Menu.pdf</a>



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For those with more hardy constitution, I recommend the original Brodard, a cafeteria style restaurant that serves better tasting food at half the price of Brodard Chateau:



Brodard Restaurant (Original)

9892 Westminster Ave

Garden Grove, CA 92844

(714) 530-1744

<a href="http://www.brodard.net/overview.html">http://www.brodard.net/overview.html</a>

Menu: <a href="http://www.brodard.net/downloads/BR_Menu.pdf">http://www.brodard.net/downloads/BR_Menu.pdf</a>



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This place can be a pain in the butt to find. It's basically located in the back parking lot of "Mall of Fortune", behind the 99 cent store:



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P.S. Most of these photos are from yelp. I usually forget to take photos before I finish the whole bowl.
 
When we see a crazy Asian food fanatic with a camera in the restaurant we all know who he is. I bet he freaks out the owners of the restaurant thinking that he is from the County Health department or may be he is a food columist. Either way he gets away with free food!
 
Wow, I feel pretty hip --- I've been to every place Momopi listed. Even my 60+ year old caucasian parents who still live in Minnesota insist on a trip to Brodard every time they are in town --- you know it is good when you can reach that audience.



Damn am I hungry now!! Wish I had more time for lunch today...but I guess the horrible Saigon Cuisine on Bristol across from my office will have to do....
 
Besides Ph?, another popular Northern Vietnamese dish is B?nh cu?n, which is like a Vietnamese version of rice noodle roll, typically served with Ch? (Vietnamese pork sausages). You can read about it here:

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B?nh_cu?n">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B?nh_cu?n</a>





I usually go to a place called Tay Ho, on Bolsa next to the Little Saigon mall. If you're facing the mall's main entrance, it's to the left side in the little shopping plaza. Note that although their hours say 8am-8pm, the owner likes to shut down by 7:30pm, or whenever the goodies are sold out. So get here early. This is an authentic place so, probably not safe to take someone who's squirmish.



Banh Cuon Tay Ho 2

9242 Bolsa Ave, Ste F

Westminster, CA 92683

(714) 895-4796



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Momopi, You are good..... Are you sure you are not Vietnamese? ;)



I like Tay Ho a lot. I often request my SIL to bring an order back for me when I can't join them for lunch. So, what about Vietnamese pork chop? Let us in on your favorite pork chop place. (I guess this should be a separate thread then?) Thanks!
 
Pho Kimmie on Brushard is not bad. Brodard did not impresss. They do not even serve pho.



CK, Saigon Cuisine has changed owners several times. They now have Mexican help cooking in the back and the quality has gone down.
 
[quote author="Keanu" date=1217682351]Momopi, You are good..... Are you sure you are not Vietnamese? ;)



I like Tay Ho a lot. I often request my SIL to bring an order back for me when I can't join them for lunch. So, what about Vietnamese pork chop? Let us in on your favorite pork chop place. (I guess this should be a separate thread then?) Thanks!</blockquote>


I like Vietnamese pork chop over broken rice (C?m T?m). This dish is easily found at most Vietnamese restaurants, but the problem is <em>really</em> inconsistent. I'm not an expert at Vietnamese food, but could suggest checking with Wandering Chopsticks, or the guys over at Biggest Menu:



<a href="http://wanderingchopsticks.blogspot.com/">http://wanderingchopsticks.blogspot.com/</a>

<a href="http://biggestmenu.com/">http://biggestmenu.com/</a>





You could also try one of my prior recommendations for Bun Bo Hue, Quan Vy Da restaurant at corner of Brookhurst and Bolsa. They also serve pork chop over broken rice.



Quan Vy Da

9950 Bolsa Avenue, #B

Westminster, CA 92683

(714) 531-2905

<a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/quan-vy-da-westminster">http://www.yelp.com/biz/quan-vy-da-westminster</a>



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For Pho we go to Pho 79.... it is not on the menu, but you can order a bowl of ox tail for $ 1.50.



Momopi, when you eat pho, did you order a bowl of sour onion or a bowl of fat with onion in it? You have to know how to eat Pho like the Northern Vietnamese, than you truly can enjoy Pho.



As for broken rice, Com Tam Thanh and this restaurant which I forgot the name, but it is on Harbor and Edinger.



Noodle House- Cao Diem Mi Gia on Westminster and Trieu Chau Noodle house on First and Newhope, at this resturant try their vietnamese fry donuts, come early, if you go pass 10am....it is gone. Also try Xi Mai, if this doesn't clot your heart, I don't know what will...it is good, but will be gone by 10am. Plus, when you order, make sure you order fast and get all your duck in line, if later you want to order to go....they will moan and beoch about it. If you go Saturday and Sunday...be ready to get in line. They shut their door at 5pm...no end or but about it.



I don't care for Tay Ho, because I don't like those sticky flat rolls.



Monopi, if you truly like the southern Vietnamese cuisine you need to eat at Cay Dua for their Bun Nuoc Leo.



If you want to eat Hue foods...if you can find a restaurant that serve Com Ong Phu....than that is authentic.



Eat cheap??? Try Phuc Loc on Westminster and Magnolia...You can order for $ 2 or $ 3. They open 4am in the morning.



The best Pho is when my Dad cooks them....he would starts around 3pm, while he plays card with his friends....Pho will be done around 6 or 7am, everyone eat breakfast and go home to sleep. The whole house smell of pho. Good old memory.
 
Hi Tulip,



At Pho Nguyen Hue we usually get a plate of vinegar-marinated raw onion (sour onion?). I put some Sriracha hot sauce on it and eat it in a spoon with some soup. The onion itself is never placed into the bowl so it won't contaminate the flavor.



I've observed some girls from central region would add sauce and lime juice directly into the bowl. I asked them where to get Com Am Phu and nobody knows. You could try cooking it:

http://vietnam.vnanet.vn/Internet/en-US/49/130/119/9945/12/2007/Default.aspx



Ingredients: (Serves 2)

- Rice: 300g

- Half fat and half lean pork meat: 200g

- Pork sausage: 200g

- Duck eggs: 2

- Fermented pork rolls: 6

- Fresh shrimp: 200g

- Cucumber: 200g

- Scallion heads: 50g

- Sugar, cooking oil, fish sauce, seasoning, red peppers, lemon, spring onion bulbs, carrot and basil



Preparation:

- Slice the pork meat into thin threads then mix with seasoning. Fry the meat in cooking oil.

- Clean and crush the shrimp and then fry in cooking oil.

- Grill the fermented pork rolls and fry the duck eggs.

- Slice all prepared materials into threads.

- When the rice is well-done, put in a bowl and flip it onto a round plate. Place other ingredients around the plate.

- The dish is served hot with sweet and sour sauce.



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Vegetarian version:

http://www.asialifehcmc.com/?m=article&a=detail&cate;_parent=&article_id=388



Ingredients (serves one)

? 1 cup of white rice

? Green bean powder for decoration

? 100g fried shredded tofu

? 1 handful Vietnamese mint, shredded

? 100g cha lua chay (tofu-based vegetarian spam)

? 100g cucumber, finely sliced and marinated in vinegar and sugar

? 100g nam beo ngu (white mushrooms mixed with mint )

? 100g mi can nuong (Vietnamese thick noodles which you chop, fry and mix in with lemongrass, sesame, salt, pepper and sugar before grilling)



Preparation

The dish is very easy to assemble and should be done according to individual taste and preference. Simply place the rice in the centre of the plate (decoration with a red chili and some green bean paste is optional) and arrange the individual servings around it. The dish is best enjoyed when all the components are mixed up together.



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p.s. I cook my own ox tail soup, if you're interested I can provide recipe.
 
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