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[quote author="tenmagnet" date=1238556545][quote author="High Gravity" date=1238555605]

I was wondering why Diamond Jamboree does not have a Life Plaza store like the original Diamond Plaza in Rowland Heights. I thought it was perhaps the City of Irvine does not like businesses that stay open late at night.</blockquote>


Aren?t they over building or creating too much supply?

A huge new center is going up across the 60 fwy almost directly across from the original Diamond Plaza</blockquote>


That new center you describe as well as all the new buildings going up on Colima in Rowland Heights/City of Industry does seem to be over building. However, there seems to be an unlimited supply of Asian consumers. For example, have you ever seen a dim sum place that did not have a line out the door? They open new ones all the time but it doesn't seem to diminish the business of the existing ones.



I'm surprised you're familiar with Diamond Plaza because I don't think any establishments there are up to TEN standards. Do you take your little Asian lady friends to "the Boat" at Diamond Plaza for some late night noodles?
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1238550793]I was able to convince 99 Ranch and Sam Woo to come down to Irvine in the late 80's I think I can pitch a win win scenario to the City of Irvine and the local Chinese merchants.</blockquote>


99 Ranch and Sam Woo are already too Americanized as evidenced by the large number of whites who shop there. Can you convince Tak Shing Hong, Shun Fat, or some other more "authentic" Asian anchor to come to Irvine?
 
[quote author="High Gravity" date=1238557982][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1238556545][quote author="High Gravity" date=1238555605]

I was wondering why Diamond Jamboree does not have a Life Plaza store like the original Diamond Plaza in Rowland Heights. I thought it was perhaps the City of Irvine does not like businesses that stay open late at night.</blockquote>


Aren?t they over building or creating too much supply?

A huge new center is going up across the 60 fwy almost directly across from the original Diamond Plaza</blockquote>


That new center you describe as well as all the new buildings going up on Colima in Rowland Heights/City of Industry does seem to be over building. However, there seems to be an unlimited supply of Asian consumers. For example, have you ever seen a dim sum place that did not have a line out the door? They open new ones all the time but it doesn't seem to diminish the business of the existing ones.



I'm surprised you're familiar with Diamond Plaza because I don't think any establishments there are up to TEN standards. Do you take your little Asian lady friends to "the Boat" at Diamond Plaza for some late night noodles?</blockquote>


I play golf at the Pacific Palms Resort on occasion.

I've even been to ?the Boat?

You definitely get your money?s worth there
 
[quote author="tenmagnet" date=1238558494]I play golf at the Pacific Palms Resort on occasion.

I've even been to ?the Boat?

You definitely get your money?s worth there</blockquote>


My wedding reception was at the Pacific Palms. Us old timers still call that place the Industry Hills Sheraton.
 
[quote author="tenmagnet" date=1238556545][quote author="High Gravity" date=1238555605]

I was wondering why Diamond Jamboree does not have a Life Plaza store like the original Diamond Plaza in Rowland Heights. I thought it was perhaps the City of Irvine does not like businesses that stay open late at night.</blockquote>


Aren?t they over building or creating too much supply?

A huge new center is going up across the 60 fwy almost directly across from the original Diamond Plaza</blockquote>


Have you ever tried to find a parking spot there?
 
[quote author="High Gravity" date=1238558433][quote author="bkshopr" date=1238550793]I was able to convince 99 Ranch and Sam Woo to come down to Irvine in the late 80's I think I can pitch a win win scenario to the City of Irvine and the local Chinese merchants.</blockquote>


99 Ranch and Sam Woo are already too Americanized as evidenced by the large number of whites who shop there. Can you convince Tak Shing Hong, Shun Fat, or some other more "authentic" Asian anchor to come to Irvine?</blockquote>


TS Emporium was previously at the Arbor center. It was at the current bank location by A&J noodle place. It did not survive. The 1.5 generation was more interested at the snack inventory than the hardcore ginsengs, dried sea cucumber and $45 per pound dried scallops.



Shun Fat operates on slim margin but cheap rent. So far none of the landlords have been able to reduce the "authentic" Asian retailers' overhead expenses. These retailers rely heavily on 1.0 generation and the aging 1.5 generation.



1.5 generation is an interesting one. While young they want to assimilate with the white population but as they are getting older with teenage kids they want more of the "authentic" Asian retailers. Perhaps this may be nostalgic and a reminder of their 1.0 generation parents.



Irvine has a large 1.5 generation so authentic retailers would need to modify its structure to adapt.
 
[quote author="QH Renter" date=1238553849]I was curious what your data showed because there were relatively few Asians when I started elementary school in Irvine. There were a few Japanese and Vietnamese, but no Chinese or Koreans at that time. That changed pretty dramatically by the time I went to middle school (which would be consistent with the time frame you mentioned).</blockquote>


Japanese and Korean can survive without their ethnic foods and market. Chinese can't. Early settlers to San Gabriel, Monterey park, Hacienda heights, Rowland Heights, Cerritos and Irvine were Japanese and Koreans. Soon came the Japanese and korean restaurants to service the population. Then the Taiwanese purchase the Japanese restaurants and tried to pretend sushi chef themselves but added a kitchen god in the kitchen and several thick Chinese yellow pages stacked by the register. Soon after that their relatives start a small Asian grocery or a small dumpling restaurant but neither lasted several years.



The original Asian population in any cities in modern time will never be Chinese. Most Chinese are not risk takers in places where they live and places to establish a business. They relied on predecessors like the Koreans and the Japanese.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1238563047]

TS Emporium was previously at the Arbor center. It was at the current bank location by A&J noodle place. It did not survive. The 1.5 generation was more interested at the snack inventory than the hardcore ginsengs, dried sea cucumber and $45 per pound dried scallops.



Shun Fat operates on slim margin but cheap rent. So far none of the landlords have been able to reduce the "authentic" Asian retailers' overhead expenses. These retailers rely heavily on 1.0 generation and the aging 1.5 generation.



1.5 generation is an interesting one. While young they want to assimilate with the white population but as they are getting older with teenage kids they want more of the "authentic" Asian retailers. Perhaps this may be nostalgic and a reminder of their 1.0 generation parents.



Irvine has a large 1.5 generation so authentic retailers would need to modify its structure to adapt.</blockquote>


I'm disappointed that TS Emporium already came and left. I guess I'll have to make do with the subtenants located at the entrance of the 99 Ranch at Culver center for my ginseng and when I need to replace a pair of cheap Chinese flip-flops.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1238564548][quote author="QH Renter" date=1238553849]I was curious what your data showed because there were relatively few Asians when I started elementary school in Irvine. There were a few Japanese and Vietnamese, but no Chinese or Koreans at that time. That changed pretty dramatically by the time I went to middle school (which would be consistent with the time frame you mentioned).</blockquote>


Japanese and Korean can survive without their ethnic foods and market. Chinese can't. Early settlers to San Gabriel, Hacienda heights, Rowland Heights, Cerritos and Irvine were Japanese and Koreans. Soon came the Japanese and korean restaurants to service the population. Then the Taiwanese purchase the Japanese restaurants and tried to pretend sushi chef themselves but added a kitchen god in the kitchen and several thick Chinese yellow pages stacked by the register. Soon after that their relatives start a small Asian grocery or a small dumpling restaurant but neither lasted several years.



The original Asian population in any cities in modern time will never be Chinese. Most Chinese are not risk takers in places where they live and places to establish a business. They relied on predecessors like the Koreans and the Japanese.</blockquote>


I was one of the first Chinese in Hacienda Heights and I do recall that the only other Asians (there were only a few then) were Japanese. On my first day of school in HH, a girl asked me where I came from and I said Taiwan. She turned and announced to the class that "he's from Tijuana". Not only her but most people in HH at that time did not even knew what Taiwan was.
 
[quote author="QH Renter" date=1238567486]Thanks bk. I always learn something interesting from your posts.</blockquote>


Now can I have your Herman Miller molded and laminated rosewood Eames chair and ottoman?
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1238568255][quote author="QH Renter" date=1238567486]Thanks bk. I always learn something interesting from your posts.</blockquote>


Now can I have your Herman Miller molded and laminated rosewood Eames chair and ottoman?</blockquote>


I would, but if I remember correctly it does not match your wife's Pottery Barn furniture. Perhaps, if you were a garage dweller like IHO you would have a place to put it.
 
[quote author="QH Renter" date=1238568776][quote author="bkshopr" date=1238568255][quote author="QH Renter" date=1238567486]Thanks bk. I always learn something interesting from your posts.</blockquote>


Now can I have your Herman Miller molded and laminated rosewood Eames chair and ottoman?</blockquote>


I would, but if I remember correctly it does not match your wife's Pottery Barn furniture. Perhaps, if you were a garage dweller like IHO you would have a place to put it.</blockquote>


Now that is a point added to IHO's fantasy garage.
 
[quote author="QH Renter" date=1238568776][quote author="bkshopr" date=1238568255][quote author="QH Renter" date=1238567486]Thanks bk. I always learn something interesting from your posts.</blockquote>


Now can I have your Herman Miller molded and laminated rosewood Eames chair and ottoman?</blockquote>


I would, but if I remember correctly it does not match your wife's Pottery Barn furniture. Perhaps, if you were a garage dweller like IHO you would have a place to put it.</blockquote>


Then it will look like this protected by trash bags. I hate to have splattered grease on the chair from frying a turkey.

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[quote author="bkshopr" date=1238564548][quote author="QH Renter" date=1238553849]I was curious what your data showed because there were relatively few Asians when I started elementary school in Irvine. There were a few Japanese and Vietnamese, but no Chinese or Koreans at that time. That changed pretty dramatically by the time I went to middle school (which would be consistent with the time frame you mentioned).</blockquote>


Japanese and Korean can survive without their ethnic foods and market. Chinese can't. Early settlers to San Gabriel, Monterey park, Hacienda heights, Rowland Heights, Cerritos and Irvine were Japanese and Koreans. Soon came the Japanese and korean restaurants to service the population. Then the Taiwanese purchase the Japanese restaurants and tried to pretend sushi chef themselves but added a kitchen god in the kitchen and several thick Chinese yellow pages stacked by the register. Soon after that their relatives start a small Asian grocery or a small dumpling restaurant but neither lasted several years.



The original Asian population in any cities in modern time will never be Chinese. Most Chinese are not risk takers in places where they live and places to establish a business. They relied on predecessors like the Koreans and the Japanese.</blockquote>
So basically what you are saying...Chinese are followers and not the trend setters.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1238578058][quote author="bkshopr" date=1238564548][quote author="QH Renter" date=1238553849]I was curious what your data showed because there were relatively few Asians when I started elementary school in Irvine. There were a few Japanese and Vietnamese, but no Chinese or Koreans at that time. That changed pretty dramatically by the time I went to middle school (which would be consistent with the time frame you mentioned).</blockquote>


Japanese and Korean can survive without their ethnic foods and market. Chinese can't. Early settlers to San Gabriel, Monterey park, Hacienda heights, Rowland Heights, Cerritos and Irvine were Japanese and Koreans. Soon came the Japanese and korean restaurants to service the population. Then the Taiwanese purchase the Japanese restaurants and tried to pretend sushi chef themselves but added a kitchen god in the kitchen and several thick Chinese yellow pages stacked by the register. Soon after that their relatives start a small Asian grocery or a small dumpling restaurant but neither lasted several years.



The original Asian population in any cities in modern time will never be Chinese. Most Chinese are not risk takers in places where they live and places to establish a business. They relied on predecessors like the Koreans and the Japanese.</blockquote>
So basically what you are saying...Chinese are followers and not the trend setters.</blockquote>


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The Chinese did start the SAR mask trend.



<img src="http://www.xeni.net/images/boingboing/lvmask.jpg" alt="" />
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1238578058][quote author="bkshopr" date=1238564548][quote author="QH Renter" date=1238553849]I was curious what your data showed because there were relatively few Asians when I started elementary school in Irvine. There were a few Japanese and Vietnamese, but no Chinese or Koreans at that time. That changed pretty dramatically by the time I went to middle school (which would be consistent with the time frame you mentioned).</blockquote>


Japanese and Korean can survive without their ethnic foods and market. Chinese can't. Early settlers to San Gabriel, Monterey park, Hacienda heights, Rowland Heights, Cerritos and Irvine were Japanese and Koreans. Soon came the Japanese and korean restaurants to service the population. Then the Taiwanese purchase the Japanese restaurants and tried to pretend sushi chef themselves but added a kitchen god in the kitchen and several thick Chinese yellow pages stacked by the register. Soon after that their relatives start a small Asian grocery or a small dumpling restaurant but neither lasted several years.



The original Asian population in any cities in modern time will never be Chinese. Most Chinese are not risk takers in places where they live and places to establish a business. They relied on predecessors like the Koreans and the Japanese.</blockquote>
So basically what you are saying...Chinese are followers and not the trend setters.</blockquote>


If there's a new cell phone that's about to drop, the Korean's are going to be the first to floss that shit(Guilty). Cars? Once again, the Hangooks are going be the first ones rolling up to any Asian plaza showing off their over priced M5.



It's genetics.
 
[quote author="Serious Weapon" date=1238580655][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1238578058][quote author="bkshopr" date=1238564548][quote author="QH Renter" date=1238553849]I was curious what your data showed because there were relatively few Asians when I started elementary school in Irvine. There were a few Japanese and Vietnamese, but no Chinese or Koreans at that time. That changed pretty dramatically by the time I went to middle school (which would be consistent with the time frame you mentioned).</blockquote>


Japanese and Korean can survive without their ethnic foods and market. Chinese can't. Early settlers to San Gabriel, Monterey park, Hacienda heights, Rowland Heights, Cerritos and Irvine were Japanese and Koreans. Soon came the Japanese and korean restaurants to service the population. Then the Taiwanese purchase the Japanese restaurants and tried to pretend sushi chef themselves but added a kitchen god in the kitchen and several thick Chinese yellow pages stacked by the register. Soon after that their relatives start a small Asian grocery or a small dumpling restaurant but neither lasted several years.



The original Asian population in any cities in modern time will never be Chinese. Most Chinese are not risk takers in places where they live and places to establish a business. They relied on predecessors like the Koreans and the Japanese.</blockquote>
So basically what you are saying...Chinese are followers and not the trend setters.</blockquote>


If there's a new cell phone that's about to drop, the Korean's are going to be the first to floss that shit(Guilty). Cars? Once again, the Hangooks are going be the first ones rolling up to any Asian plaza showing off their over priced M5.



It's genetics.</blockquote>
I noticed that most Chinese people tend to be more conservative and not as flashy as most other asians, including Koreans. Nothing wrong in seeing how things play out before driving in head first (case in point with the E46 M3s that had engine failures in the first few years of production).
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1238580405][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1238578058][quote author="bkshopr" date=1238564548][quote author="QH Renter" date=1238553849]I was curious what your data showed because there were relatively few Asians when I started elementary school in Irvine. There were a few Japanese and Vietnamese, but no Chinese or Koreans at that time. That changed pretty dramatically by the time I went to middle school (which would be consistent with the time frame you mentioned).</blockquote>


Japanese and Korean can survive without their ethnic foods and market. Chinese can't. Early settlers to San Gabriel, Monterey park, Hacienda heights, Rowland Heights, Cerritos and Irvine were Japanese and Koreans. Soon came the Japanese and korean restaurants to service the population. Then the Taiwanese purchase the Japanese restaurants and tried to pretend sushi chef themselves but added a kitchen god in the kitchen and several thick Chinese yellow pages stacked by the register. Soon after that their relatives start a small Asian grocery or a small dumpling restaurant but neither lasted several years.



The original Asian population in any cities in modern time will never be Chinese. Most Chinese are not risk takers in places where they live and places to establish a business. They relied on predecessors like the Koreans and the Japanese.</blockquote>
So basically what you are saying...Chinese are followers and not the trend setters.</blockquote>


<img src="http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:bZBIhBb2HxQt9M:http://www.gakusen.ac.jp/faculty/alagna/AlagnaCourse.html Folders/ALAGNA.ENG. 1+2.htmFolder/AlagnaSuccessfulHabitsHPFolder/IdeaLightBulb02.GIF" alt="" />



The Chinese did start the SAR mask trend.



<img src="http://www.xeni.net/images/boingboing/lvmask.jpg" alt="" /></blockquote>
haha good stuff...I always enjoy your analysis bk and learn something new (especially when it comes to garages...haha).
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1238580927][quote author="Serious Weapon" date=1238580655][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1238578058][quote author="bkshopr" date=1238564548][quote author="QH Renter" date=1238553849]I was curious what your data showed because there were relatively few Asians when I started elementary school in Irvine. There were a few Japanese and Vietnamese, but no Chinese or Koreans at that time. That changed pretty dramatically by the time I went to middle school (which would be consistent with the time frame you mentioned).</blockquote>


Japanese and Korean can survive without their ethnic foods and market. Chinese can't. Early settlers to San Gabriel, Monterey park, Hacienda heights, Rowland Heights, Cerritos and Irvine were Japanese and Koreans. Soon came the Japanese and korean restaurants to service the population. Then the Taiwanese purchase the Japanese restaurants and tried to pretend sushi chef themselves but added a kitchen god in the kitchen and several thick Chinese yellow pages stacked by the register. Soon after that their relatives start a small Asian grocery or a small dumpling restaurant but neither lasted several years.



The original Asian population in any cities in modern time will never be Chinese. Most Chinese are not risk takers in places where they live and places to establish a business. They relied on predecessors like the Koreans and the Japanese.</blockquote>
So basically what you are saying...Chinese are followers and not the trend setters.</blockquote>


If there's a new cell phone that's about to drop, the Korean's are going to be the first to floss that shit(Guilty). Cars? Once again, the Hangooks are going be the first ones rolling up to any Asian plaza showing off their over priced M5.



It's genetics.</blockquote>
I noticed that most Chinese people tend to be more conservative and not as flashy as most other asians, including Koreans. Nothing wrong in seeing how things play out before driving in head first (case in point with the E46 M3s that had engine failures in the first few years of production).</blockquote>


Most Chinese do not take risk but do follow sheeps. In the case of HELOC most just follow the HELOC sheep to the slaughter house. When targeting Chinese consumer demographic then aim for the leaders. Where do you find the leaders? Chinese church group fellowship leaders are a strong social group in Irvine. There are a lot of gossips as well as keeping up with the Wongs or Wangs there. Others are the core group volunteers at the Chinese Cultural Center or the UCI Chinese cultural affair volunteers. The key is to reach out to the active Chinese citizens in the communities.
 
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