Ultrashort ETFs

acpme_IHB

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just something interesting of note for those of you who follow the ultrashort indices, it's quite possibly to have not made any money in these etfs this year despite the being ultrashort depending on when you've invested. case in point, the frequently mentioned SRS. it's underlying index, the DJ US REIT index, is down 50% YTD. SRS ytd ret is -10%. and this is with eye-pooping volatility that in the last few months +/-20% on any given day.



was it morekaos or winex that once explained the inherent risk in the leveraged etfs? well there you go... another example of the leverage gone bad. even when you make the right call, you can be killed by leverage.
 
I won't touch an ETF for the life of me. Or a mutual fund or any security created and managed by another individual. I don't feel like paying fees to some moron that I feel I can outperform on my own.

As far as volatility...you are correct. It will kill you and nobody ever disagreed on the notion that volatility can have you lose money...



However, if your strategy is to buy an ultrashort etf...and hold for months on end...you're the sucker there and I THANK you for your money...we spent it on shopping and at Javiers last night. In a volatile market the goal is to capture fast movements and be out. Whether that occurs in 10 seconds, or an hour, or a couple of days.



The concept is simple. High volatiliy = higher premiums = higher returns. Lower volatiliy = lower premiums = lower returns.



So I'll continue to defend my stance in that trading options or other instruments in a highly volatile market is an orgasmic way to capture fantastic gains. It's not for everybody though...I think it's for those that have high appetite for risk and can control themselves at the same time and are highly aggressive/competitive by nature. Being able to process data/news very quickly and having great instinct/reaction time are a bonus in being able to trade in a volatile market.



So if you're a conservative individual, thats fine...nothing wrong with that. But I can see how a volatile market wouldn't work for you.
 
ditto... plus the other takeaway is these products attracted a huge amount of capital by avg investors thinking it was a way to take advantage of the downturn. most probably do not realize the risk involved in these investments.



totally off topic -- was it crowded at javiers? i see that as a local indicator... when javiers becomes a ghost town, i think we should run for the hills.
 
[quote author="acpme" date=1229130038]totally off topic -- was it crowded at javiers? i see that as a local indicator... when javiers becomes a ghost town, i think we should run for the hills.</blockquote>


Haha..nah it wasn't. The one at Spectrum tends to be more crowded (especially Friday night) than the one by Pelican Bay at Newport. We went to Pelican Bay and it was rather slow.

But you make a great point. I think I'm going to watch the Friday night crowd at Spectrum. Right now its packed about 1-2hr wait. If that starts going south, you're right...things are that bad.



I don't think their food is that great personally. My wife likes it though, but their atmosphere is pretty cool. Especially if you want to hang out with friends. I preffer Lucilles BBQ or something simple like Pei Wei.
 
[quote author="acpme" date=1229130447]pei wei makes momopi angry.</blockquote>


Haha why? I like their food quite a bit...ESPECIALLY for the price. If you like PF CHangs...well its the same company with the same food, but bigger portions and alot cheaper.
 
[quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229130184][quote author="acpme" date=1229130038]totally off topic -- was it crowded at javiers? i see that as a local indicator... when javiers becomes a ghost town, i think we should run for the hills.</blockquote>


Haha..nah it wasn't. The one at Spectrum tends to be more crowded (especially Friday night) than the one by Pelican Bay at Newport. We went to Pelican Bay and it was rather slow.

But you make a great point. I think I'm going to watch the Friday night crowd at Spectrum. Right now its packed about 1-2hr wait. If that starts going south, you're right...things are that bad.



I don't think their food is that great personally. My wife likes it though, but their atmosphere is pretty cool. Especially if you want to hang out with friends. I preffer Lucilles BBQ or something simple like Pei Wei.</blockquote>


You need to spend some of that bread in your own backyard as well BV.

The Orchard Hills Plaza is seriously hurting.
 
[quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229130687][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229130184][quote author="acpme" date=1229130038]totally off topic -- was it crowded at javiers? i see that as a local indicator... when javiers becomes a ghost town, i think we should run for the hills.</blockquote>


Haha..nah it wasn't. The one at Spectrum tends to be more crowded (especially Friday night) than the one by Pelican Bay at Newport. We went to Pelican Bay and it was rather slow.

But you make a great point. I think I'm going to watch the Friday night crowd at Spectrum. Right now its packed about 1-2hr wait. If that starts going south, you're right...things are that bad.



I don't think their food is that great personally. My wife likes it though, but their atmosphere is pretty cool. Especially if you want to hang out with friends. I preffer Lucilles BBQ or something simple like Pei Wei.</blockquote>


You need to spend some of that bread in your own backyard as well BV.

The Orchard Hills Plaza is seriously hurting.</blockquote>


I know they are ten. Two-three vacant rentals atm. However, I probably spend more money there than the whole community. I often day trade outside since I get sick of being inside. So I usually park my laptop just outside of peets and have a cup almost everyday. Then in the afternoon I either eat at Zovs or Sierra. However, it can get really old eating there almost everyday. So can't blame me for wanting to escape over the weekend.



Oh and at times I even buy overpriced groceries at Pavillions, even though I know I can cut my bill in half elsewhere.
 
Some more color on the leveraged ETFs and their impact on the market



From THOMPSON REUTERS



The Tail Wagging the Dog







We think it is time to address what we consider to be a major contributor to the general distress and uneasiness that plagues our markets today. In the last few months there has been a proliferation of Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs) whose daily movements correspond to twice or more of the inverse of the index they reflect. One leveraged ETF vehicle is at 3x today and we've heard rumors that there are instruments on the immediate horizon which will even further increase the leverage up to 10x ETF. Some of these leveraged securities reflect broad macro indices which, while troublesome, are not as horrifically negative as those which reflect particular subsections of the market, e.g., Financials, Real Estate Investment Trusts, and various commodities, to name only a few.



Leveraged long and short ETFs are making an already unstable environment much, much worse and are removing whatever faith in our public markets remains. In addition, they are making otherwise stable individual securities, for example, Simon Property Group (SPG) and Equity Residential (EQR), to name only two of hundreds, both of which are reflected in the ProShares Ultra Real Estate long (URE) and short



(SRS) ETFs, causing them to look and behave like volatile growth stocks such as GOOG and AAPL.



Both SPG and EQR have recently exhibited intraday volatility of over twenty percent in a single trading session, and most often this climaxes in the last half hour of trading. The moves of these securities are technical in nature and have nothing to do with news releases or any other fundamentals. They are being entirely manipulated by computer driven trading strategies and are further exacerbating the rampant crisis of confidence.



The final hour of every trading day is now feared, if not dreaded, by virtually every savvy market participant. Volume from 3-4pm EST has grown to greater than fifty percent of total daily volume in certain underlying securities and volatility has grown exponentially at the same time.



One example of this happened Monday, December 1. EQR was down $1.50 on five million shares at 3pm and closed the day down $6.58 on 10.6 million shares. In that last hour there was no change of any kind in the company's fundamentals. As a market pundit recently commented, "when markets make sharp movements without any discernable reason, investors lose faith in their ability to function properly."



There is absolutely no economic purpose or value to these instruments.



We believe that trading in these securities in the way they are currently operating must be stopped immediately.



Purchasing a levered ETF (Ultra Long or Ultra Short) is akin to buying or selling a basket of securities in a particular market sector on margin. These vehicles, as described in the prospectuses, provide double the daily volatility of the underlying index that they track. ProShares, the major company (of three) that sponsors these funds must adjust for the price difference between the underlying components in the index and the move in the ETF each day. They accomplish this balancing act by buying or selling swaps and futures, which then must be reconciled in the market, against the underlying securities; hence the huge moves in individual stocks. Moreover, many of the "players" using these vehicles do so on margin, further increasing the inherent leverage to double the 2x that it had already become.



An expense fee of .95% (of average daily net assets) is charged by the sponsors incenting them to grow both the funds individually and the number of such entities as quickly as possible. A few brokers, most notably Goldman Sachs, have provided a mechanism for day-end balancing which guarantees the sponsor's 2x performance and provides a big spread (we hear, but don't actually know, to be inordinately large) to the broker. While the brokerages can certainly argue that they are at risk, we are told that this risk is minimal and controllable relative to the inherent profitability.



It cannot be overstated that this is strictly a day-trading vehicle, as the prospectuses clearly state, and the only thing we believe they contribute is exaggerated volatility and yet another reason not to invest in our markets. This is vaguely reminiscent of the crisis produced by "portfolio insurance." Artificial factors not only dramatically increase volatility, they also raise the cost of capital and exacerbate the already negative consequences of the growing recession. And, because of the huge dislocation created by this artificial pricing (mark to market), on negative days Wall Street firms are forced to issue margin calls and liquidate customer positions, contributing to further instability.



Let's take a brief look at the mechanics of how these ultra long and ultra short ETFs operate. For example, one purchases the URE, the ProShares Ultra Real Estate long ETF. In the last hour of the day, the sponsors of these ETFs must rebalance to insure that the ETF's performance is 2x the performance of the underlying basket of stocks.



This is done by trading swaps and then the counterparty to these swaps must in turn buy or sell the underlying stocks in order to be hedged.



The more drastic the move in the market, the more pressure the ETFs are under to provide 2x the performance of the stocks, thereby exacerbating the moves in the underlying equities. This occurs simultaneously on both sides (ultra long and ultra short) doubling the force of the influence on the stocks in the basket. On down days the ultra short has to get shorter at the exact same time as the ultra long has to sell to end the day less long.



Let's also look at the growth in volume in these Ultra ETFs and the corresponding explosion in volatility in the markets. Using the URE as an example again, in the last ninety days the average daily volume has gone from less than five hundred thousand shares a day to seventeen million shares a day. Notably during this time, the S&P 500 Index has had seventeen five percent up or down moves in a single day. The S&P has only had thirty-four five percent up or down moves in the last fifty-six years.



We need to pay immediate attention to this. One easy remedy would be for the SEC, which some now refer to as LONHO (Lights On Nobody Home), to simply reestablish the uptick rule, one which worked well for decades



(1934 Act) and which was eliminated for no discernable, rational purpose. However, there are many other things that should be considered.



We have allowed a serious moral hazard to emerge. As we explain in the ethics classes we teach, legality refers to what you can do, while ethics is about what you should do. We don't pretend to know all the answers. What we are sure of is the necessity to recognize this issue and move as rationally and quickly as possible to eliminate the negative influence it increasingly exerts.
 
This is something similar to what my little bro (he's still 17, a little baby but I'm brainwashing him early..haha) and I talked about. After the babyboomers are gone, it will be difficult to get back to 14K DOW as the money simply won't be there. On top of that throw in the fact that Wall Street has become a big mans gambling casino, many individuals are backing away from it.



Most view Wall Street as a place where bunch of thieves and crooks reside. My parents for example believe that there is someone behind wall street taking everybodys money. That the whole thing is a giant scheme and a few in the background are collecting all this money. I try and tell them that it really doesn't work like that, but can you blame them for thinking like that? Most think that way too now. They feel cheated and taken advantage of.



The growth in stocks was fueled by Babyboomers and the sudden popularity of the 401K. Lets face it...stocks can't go up if there isn't new money coming in and it won't. Thus once markets stable...welcome to our lost decade like Japan...or two...maybe even three. Didn't the DOW trade around 1K for like 30 years back in late 1940s or early 1950s?



Our Govt needs to place everybody involved in this collapse on trial and send ones guilty to prison. I mean Enrons CEO was sent to prison over mis-representing financial info. Are we saying nobody lied this time around? Come on now. After the government makes a stance that this kind of behavior on wall street isn't welcome and will be punished, some credibility will return and will slowly be restored over time.



Oh wait...our governemt was involved in this whole thing...never mind...scratch that...resume with your lives...
 
[quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229133692][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229130687][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229130184][quote author="acpme" date=1229130038]totally off topic -- was it crowded at javiers? i see that as a local indicator... when javiers becomes a ghost town, i think we should run for the hills.</blockquote>


Haha..nah it wasn't. The one at Spectrum tends to be more crowded (especially Friday night) than the one by Pelican Bay at Newport. We went to Pelican Bay and it was rather slow.

But you make a great point. I think I'm going to watch the Friday night crowd at Spectrum. Right now its packed about 1-2hr wait. If that starts going south, you're right...things are that bad.



I don't think their food is that great personally. My wife likes it though, but their atmosphere is pretty cool. Especially if you want to hang out with friends. I preffer Lucilles BBQ or something simple like Pei Wei.</blockquote>


You need to spend some of that bread in your own backyard as well BV.

The Orchard Hills Plaza is seriously hurting.</blockquote>


I know they are ten. Two-three vacant rentals atm. However, I probably spend more money there than the whole community. I often day trade outside since I get sick of being inside. So I usually park my laptop just outside of peets and have a cup almost everyday. Then in the afternoon I either eat at Zovs or Sierra. However, it can get really old eating there almost everyday. So can't blame me for wanting to escape over the weekend.



Oh and at times I even buy overpriced groceries at Pavillions, even though I know I can cut my bill in half elsewhere.</blockquote>


That?s what I like to hear.

You?re doing more for the center than me.

I go out a lot but make sure and support the local shops there.

It?s sad to see such a nice center empty because people have reigned in their spending.

With regards to Javiers, remember why you go there.

It?s not about the food BV, you go there to be seen my man!
 
[quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229135009][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229133692][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229130687][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229130184][quote author="acpme" date=1229130038]totally off topic -- was it crowded at javiers? i see that as a local indicator... when javiers becomes a ghost town, i think we should run for the hills.</blockquote>


Haha..nah it wasn't. The one at Spectrum tends to be more crowded (especially Friday night) than the one by Pelican Bay at Newport. We went to Pelican Bay and it was rather slow.

But you make a great point. I think I'm going to watch the Friday night crowd at Spectrum. Right now its packed about 1-2hr wait. If that starts going south, you're right...things are that bad.



I don't think their food is that great personally. My wife likes it though, but their atmosphere is pretty cool. Especially if you want to hang out with friends. I preffer Lucilles BBQ or something simple like Pei Wei.</blockquote>


You need to spend some of that bread in your own backyard as well BV.

The Orchard Hills Plaza is seriously hurting.</blockquote>


I know they are ten. Two-three vacant rentals atm. However, I probably spend more money there than the whole community. I often day trade outside since I get sick of being inside. So I usually park my laptop just outside of peets and have a cup almost everyday. Then in the afternoon I either eat at Zovs or Sierra. However, it can get really old eating there almost everyday. So can't blame me for wanting to escape over the weekend.



Oh and at times I even buy overpriced groceries at Pavillions, even though I know I can cut my bill in half elsewhere.</blockquote>


That?s what I like to hear.

You?re doing more for the center than me.

I go out a lot but make sure and support the local shops there.

It?s sad to see such a nice center empty because people have reigned in their spending.

With regards to Javiers, remember why you go there.

It?s not about the food BV, you go there to be seen my man!</blockquote>


Not sure what you are intending but do remember I am married. Often when we go to Javiers at Spectrum my wife will jump the gun and always say she's really pretty and that one is too. Thats because she is smart and doesn't want me to say it first heheh. If she says it first and acknowledges it in her head, then I simply have to say yeah she's ok, but you are the best looking here. Instead of me looking, and her noticing. Then again, there are guys there too for her to look at..wait...they got nothing on me...I got this.
 
[quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229135310][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229135009][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229133692][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229130687][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229130184][quote author="acpme" date=1229130038]totally off topic -- was it crowded at javiers? i see that as a local indicator... when javiers becomes a ghost town, i think we should run for the hills.</blockquote>


Haha..nah it wasn't. The one at Spectrum tends to be more crowded (especially Friday night) than the one by Pelican Bay at Newport. We went to Pelican Bay and it was rather slow.

But you make a great point. I think I'm going to watch the Friday night crowd at Spectrum. Right now its packed about 1-2hr wait. If that starts going south, you're right...things are that bad.



I don't think their food is that great personally. My wife likes it though, but their atmosphere is pretty cool. Especially if you want to hang out with friends. I preffer Lucilles BBQ or something simple like Pei Wei.</blockquote>


You need to spend some of that bread in your own backyard as well BV.

The Orchard Hills Plaza is seriously hurting.</blockquote>


I know they are ten. Two-three vacant rentals atm. However, I probably spend more money there than the whole community. I often day trade outside since I get sick of being inside. So I usually park my laptop just outside of peets and have a cup almost everyday. Then in the afternoon I either eat at Zovs or Sierra. However, it can get really old eating there almost everyday. So can't blame me for wanting to escape over the weekend.



Oh and at times I even buy overpriced groceries at Pavillions, even though I know I can cut my bill in half elsewhere.</blockquote>


That?s what I like to hear.

You?re doing more for the center than me.

I go out a lot but make sure and support the local shops there.

It?s sad to see such a nice center empty because people have reigned in their spending.

With regards to Javiers, remember why you go there.

It?s not about the food BV, you go there to be seen my man!</blockquote>


Not sure what you are intending but do remember I am married. Often when we go to Javiers at Spectrum my wife will jump the gun and always say she's really pretty and that one is too. Thats because she is smart and doesn't want me to say it first heheh. If she says it first and acknowledges it in her head, then I simply have to say yeah she's ok, but you are the best looking here. Instead of me looking, and her noticing. Then again, there are guys there too for her to look at..wait...they got nothing on me...I got this.</blockquote>




The aspect I was referring to is the social scene at these places.

Nothing to do with being married or single.

Deals and social networking are getting done over dinner and drinks at these establishments.

That?s how business gets done.

Don?t get me wrong, it doesn?t hurt that there?s plenty of eye candy around either.

I know you?re a lone wolf BV but it doesn?t hurt to make some powerful friends either.



Send me the wire instructions, I?m anxious for you to begin trading my account.
 
[quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229135812][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229135310][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229135009][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229133692][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229130687][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229130184][quote author="acpme" date=1229130038]totally off topic -- was it crowded at javiers? i see that as a local indicator... when javiers becomes a ghost town, i think we should run for the hills.</blockquote>


Haha..nah it wasn't. The one at Spectrum tends to be more crowded (especially Friday night) than the one by Pelican Bay at Newport. We went to Pelican Bay and it was rather slow.

But you make a great point. I think I'm going to watch the Friday night crowd at Spectrum. Right now its packed about 1-2hr wait. If that starts going south, you're right...things are that bad.



I don't think their food is that great personally. My wife likes it though, but their atmosphere is pretty cool. Especially if you want to hang out with friends. I preffer Lucilles BBQ or something simple like Pei Wei.</blockquote>


You need to spend some of that bread in your own backyard as well BV.

The Orchard Hills Plaza is seriously hurting.</blockquote>


I know they are ten. Two-three vacant rentals atm. However, I probably spend more money there than the whole community. I often day trade outside since I get sick of being inside. So I usually park my laptop just outside of peets and have a cup almost everyday. Then in the afternoon I either eat at Zovs or Sierra. However, it can get really old eating there almost everyday. So can't blame me for wanting to escape over the weekend.



Oh and at times I even buy overpriced groceries at Pavillions, even though I know I can cut my bill in half elsewhere.</blockquote>


That?s what I like to hear.

You?re doing more for the center than me.

I go out a lot but make sure and support the local shops there.

It?s sad to see such a nice center empty because people have reigned in their spending.

With regards to Javiers, remember why you go there.

It?s not about the food BV, you go there to be seen my man!</blockquote>


Not sure what you are intending but do remember I am married. Often when we go to Javiers at Spectrum my wife will jump the gun and always say she's really pretty and that one is too. Thats because she is smart and doesn't want me to say it first heheh. If she says it first and acknowledges it in her head, then I simply have to say yeah she's ok, but you are the best looking here. Instead of me looking, and her noticing. Then again, there are guys there too for her to look at..wait...they got nothing on me...I got this.</blockquote>




The aspect I was referring to is the social scene at these places.

Nothing to do with being married or single.

Deals and social networking are getting done over dinner and drinks at these establishments.

That?s how business gets done.

Don?t get me wrong, it doesn?t hurt that there?s plenty of eye candy around either.

I know you?re a lone wolf BV but it doesn?t hurt to make some powerful friends either.



Send me the wire instructions, I?m anxious for you to begin trading my account.</blockquote>


Gotcha. No I hear you. I definately need to network. When I was in Orlando, I felt I was very well connected and got to know many business owners. I often hung around in cigar bars to talk business. I never smoked a single one though, they always teased me for it. But I did have my glass of scotch and golfed often. Once you crack the networking pipe, it expands fast. I'm still chipping at the moment...just need to find a giant hammer. Maybe you'll be it one day. Then I'll nickname you TenTonHammer.



As far as wiring instructions...hold your horses. I need to get some legal papers squared away first, then we can talk.
 
[quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229136416][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229135812][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229135310][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229135009][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229133692][quote author="tenmagnet" date=1229130687][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229130184][quote author="acpme" date=1229130038]totally off topic -- was it crowded at javiers? i see that as a local indicator... when javiers becomes a ghost town, i think we should run for the hills.</blockquote>


Haha..nah it wasn't. The one at Spectrum tends to be more crowded (especially Friday night) than the one by Pelican Bay at Newport. We went to Pelican Bay and it was rather slow.

But you make a great point. I think I'm going to watch the Friday night crowd at Spectrum. Right now its packed about 1-2hr wait. If that starts going south, you're right...things are that bad.



I don't think their food is that great personally. My wife likes it though, but their atmosphere is pretty cool. Especially if you want to hang out with friends. I preffer Lucilles BBQ or something simple like Pei Wei.</blockquote>


You need to spend some of that bread in your own backyard as well BV.

The Orchard Hills Plaza is seriously hurting.</blockquote>


I know they are ten. Two-three vacant rentals atm. However, I probably spend more money there than the whole community. I often day trade outside since I get sick of being inside. So I usually park my laptop just outside of peets and have a cup almost everyday. Then in the afternoon I either eat at Zovs or Sierra. However, it can get really old eating there almost everyday. So can't blame me for wanting to escape over the weekend.



Oh and at times I even buy overpriced groceries at Pavillions, even though I know I can cut my bill in half elsewhere.</blockquote>


That?s what I like to hear.

You?re doing more for the center than me.

I go out a lot but make sure and support the local shops there.

It?s sad to see such a nice center empty because people have reigned in their spending.

With regards to Javiers, remember why you go there.

It?s not about the food BV, you go there to be seen my man!</blockquote>


Not sure what you are intending but do remember I am married. Often when we go to Javiers at Spectrum my wife will jump the gun and always say she's really pretty and that one is too. Thats because she is smart and doesn't want me to say it first heheh. If she says it first and acknowledges it in her head, then I simply have to say yeah she's ok, but you are the best looking here. Instead of me looking, and her noticing. Then again, there are guys there too for her to look at..wait...they got nothing on me...I got this.</blockquote>




The aspect I was referring to is the social scene at these places.

Nothing to do with being married or single.

Deals and social networking are getting done over dinner and drinks at these establishments.

That?s how business gets done.

Don?t get me wrong, it doesn?t hurt that there?s plenty of eye candy around either.

I know you?re a lone wolf BV but it doesn?t hurt to make some powerful friends either.



Send me the wire instructions, I?m anxious for you to begin trading my account.</blockquote>


Gotcha. No I hear you. I definately need to network. When I was in Orlando, I felt I was very well connected and got to know many business owners. I often hung around in cigar bars to talk business. I never smoked a single one though, they always teased me for it. But I did have my glass of scotch and golfed often. Once you crack the networking pipe, it expands fast. I'm still chipping at the moment...just need to find a giant hammer. Maybe you'll be it one day. Then I'll nickname you TenTonHammer.



As far as wiring instructions...hold your horses. I need to get some legal papers squared away first, then we can talk.</blockquote>


That?s right.

Glad to see you understand how important it is to get plugged in with the right people.

Why not leverage your potential?
 
[quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229135310]Not sure what you are intending but do remember I am married. Often when we go to Javiers at Spectrum my wife will jump the gun and always say she's really pretty and that one is too. Thats because she is smart and doesn't want me to say it first heheh. If she says it first and acknowledges it in her head, then I simply have to say yeah she's ok, but you are the best looking here. Instead of me looking, and her noticing. Then again, there are guys there too for her to look at..wait...they got nothing on me...I got this.</blockquote>


Post pix or STFU.
 
[quote author="toady9" date=1229138293][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229135310]Not sure what you are intending but do remember I am married. Often when we go to Javiers at Spectrum my wife will jump the gun and always say she's really pretty and that one is too. Thats because she is smart and doesn't want me to say it first heheh. If she says it first and acknowledges it in her head, then I simply have to say yeah she's ok, but you are the best looking here. Instead of me looking, and her noticing. Then again, there are guys there too for her to look at..wait...they got nothing on me...I got this.</blockquote>


Post pix or STFU.</blockquote>


Here you go. Momopi has one of me. Tell me what you think? Do I meet your requirements?



<a href="http://62.0.5.133/www.bbc.co.ukk/comedy/littlebritain/images/396/mccooney.jpg">Pic of Me</a>
 
[quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229152899][quote author="toady9" date=1229138293][quote author="blackvault_cm" date=1229135310]Not sure what you are intending but do remember I am married. Often when we go to Javiers at Spectrum my wife will jump the gun and always say she's really pretty and that one is too. Thats because she is smart and doesn't want me to say it first heheh. If she says it first and acknowledges it in her head, then I simply have to say yeah she's ok, but you are the best looking here. Instead of me looking, and her noticing. Then again, there are guys there too for her to look at..wait...they got nothing on me...I got this.</blockquote>


Post pix or STFU.</blockquote>


Here you go. Momopi has one of me. Tell me what you think? Do I meet your requirements?



<a href="http://62.0.5.133/www.bbc.co.ukk/comedy/littlebritain/images/396/mccooney.jpg">Pic of Me</a></blockquote>


hawt...
 
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