Truth to this: can't grow fruit/veggies in Tustin Field/Columbus Grove

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frank69m_IHB

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Was talking with a co-worker yesterday and he mentioned that when he purchased his place, there was some sort of disclaimer about not growing any fruit/veggies on his property for consumption.



Anyone else who lives there get the same disclaimer?



Thought it was kinda odd and asked him if that was an alarm to what was in the ground next to the big hangers.



And please, no comments from Marsha
 
I remember that before they build the houses, TF used to be farming area for tomatoes and strawberries and things like that. So they let the farmer use the land for food, but not the residences there?
 
[quote author="Astute Observer" date=1251551668]I remember that before they build the houses, TF used to be farming area for tomatoes and strawberries and things like that. So they let the farmer use the land for food, but not the residences there?</blockquote>


The disclaimer is for pesticides that were once used for agriculture on the land. It does not say you cannot grow your own food.
 
[quote author="asianinvasian" date=1251589825][quote author="Astute Observer" date=1251551668]I remember that before they build the houses, TF used to be farming area for tomatoes and strawberries and things like that. So they let the farmer use the land for food, but not the residences there?</blockquote>


The disclaimer is for pesticides that were once used for agriculture on the land. It does not say you cannot grow your own food.</blockquote>


I want to see the actual wording if someone wants to type it out. please.



How come I never get any love? I'm crazier than Marsha, no doubt. right? right?
 
We've discussed this before but it would be nice to see the actual wording. Anyone? I still can't for the life of me understand why someone would want to live over ground unfit to grow food. Last I checked, we are also living things, so why would you want to live somewhere your food shouldn't?
 
[quote author="asianinvasian" date=1251589825][quote author="Astute Observer" date=1251551668]I remember that before they build the houses, TF used to be farming area for tomatoes and strawberries and things like that. So they let the farmer use the land for food, but not the residences there?</blockquote>


The disclaimer is for pesticides that were once used for agriculture on the land. It does not say you cannot grow your own food.</blockquote>


If it was for pesticides, wouldn't that be on the surface only and wouldn't that eventually go away and disappate with rain, wind, etc over the years? and if it were for pesticides, wasn't it for the food growing there anyways



I guess if you have kids, they can't play outside in the dirt then.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1251593236]We've discussed this before but it would be nice to see the actual wording. Anyone? I still can't for the life of me understand why someone would want to live over ground unfit to grow food. Last I checked, we are also living things, so why would you want to live somewhere your food shouldn't?</blockquote>
The base was subdivided into different "operable units" for site investigation/remediation purposes. I was able to find the



<a href="http://www.envirostor.dtsc.ca.gov/regulators/deliverable_documents/1842481315/etp24-1b_deed_restriction.pdf">Covenant to Restrict Use of Property </a> for one of them. Please note that the covenants for other OUs are likely to be different. Section 3.03 and 3.04 of the document show why you read about it in documents when you purchase. The restrictions follow the land, and have to be disclosed to subsequent buyers. Section 4.01 describes the restrictions that are specific to this particular OU. You can't drill wells or make any use of groundwater. You can't conduct any activities that would expose groundwater. Again, other OUs, even on the same overall Tustin Marine Corps Air Station property, probably have slightly different wording and restrictions.



The developer's attorneys might translated the language in the covenant into language that is simpler, and more easily understood by a homeowner. For example, don't plant trees or dig in your yard.



As to your specific question about why live there -- why not? As long as there isn't a pathway for chemical contaminants to reach you, it doesn't represent an actual hazard.
 
[quote author="LoudRoar" date=1251590335][quote author="asianinvasian" date=1251589825][quote author="Astute Observer" date=1251551668]I remember that before they build the houses, TF used to be farming area for tomatoes and strawberries and things like that. So they let the farmer use the land for food, but not the residences there?</blockquote>


The disclaimer is for pesticides that were once used for agriculture on the land. It does not say you cannot grow your own food.</blockquote>


I want to see the actual wording if someone wants to type it out. please.



How come I never get any love? I'm crazier than Marsha, no doubt. right? right?</blockquote>


Here you go buddy.





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[quote author="GoIllini" date=1251601179]



As to your specific question about why live there -- why not? </blockquote>


Because since they aren't the last homes on the planet, and there are other choices that don't include living just downwind from the trash sorting center on Construction Circle?
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1251603525][quote author="GoIllini" date=1251601179]



As to your specific question about why live there -- why not? </blockquote>


Because since they aren't the last homes on the planet, and there are other choices that don't include living just downwind from the trash sorting center on Construction Circle?</blockquote>


Janet says

"I cant smell it from my house".

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[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1251603525][quote author="GoIllini" date=1251601179]



As to your specific question about why live there -- why not? </blockquote>


Because since they aren't the last homes on the planet, and there are other choices that don't include living just downwind from the trash sorting center on Construction Circle?</blockquote>


I used to have a quote on my wall, from a former mayor of Houston. "Everybody wants us to pick up their garbage, but nobody wants us to put it back down."



The question, and my response, pertained only to the fact that there are restrictions on land use, not on the other issues that might apply.



No, these aren't the last homes on the planet, but tell me an area in Orange County that DOESN'T have one undesirable feature or another. Wildfires, mud slides, illegal dump sites, neighboring toxic air contaminant releases, soil liquifaction, crime, bad schools, spoiled rotten neighbors (and their kids), parking congestion... And, of course, if you DO find a neighborhood that is relatively free of such scourges, the prices are still sky high.
 
[quote author="asianinvasian" date=1251603466][quote author="LoudRoar" date=1251590335][quote author="asianinvasian" date=1251589825][quote author="Astute Observer" date=1251551668]I remember that before they build the houses, TF used to be farming area for tomatoes and strawberries and things like that. So they let the farmer use the land for food, but not the residences there?</blockquote>


The disclaimer is for pesticides that were once used for agriculture on the land. It does not say you cannot grow your own food.</blockquote>


I want to see the actual wording if someone wants to type it out. please.



How come I never get any love? I'm crazier than Marsha, no doubt. right? right?</blockquote>


Here you go buddy.





<img src="http://i26.tinypic.com/rarafq.jpg" alt="" /></blockquote>


AI, there should be an additional notification if the property was part of the former Tustin MCAS. It should say something along the lines of the Covenant I cited above.
 
[quote author="GoIllini" date=1251606312][quote author="asianinvasian" date=1251603466][quote author="LoudRoar" date=1251590335][quote author="asianinvasian" date=1251589825][quote author="Astute Observer" date=1251551668]I remember that before they build the houses, TF used to be farming area for tomatoes and strawberries and things like that. So they let the farmer use the land for food, but not the residences there?</blockquote>


The disclaimer is for pesticides that were once used for agriculture on the land. It does not say you cannot grow your own food.</blockquote>


I want to see the actual wording if someone wants to type it out. please.



How come I never get any love? I'm crazier than Marsha, no doubt. right? right?</blockquote>


Here you go buddy.





<img src="http://i26.tinypic.com/rarafq.jpg" alt="" /></blockquote>


AI, there should be an additional notification if the property was part of the former Tustin MCAS. It should say something along the lines of the Covenant I cited above.</blockquote>




How is it that it says "you can't eat the fruit or veggies you grow on your own land"?
 
I can't see the text that may have been posted. If it explicitly says you can't grow food on the land there, that may be related to the soil potentially being hazardous, adn that the attorneys decided to include that rather than being liable for the contaminated soil. I saw a point about children eating the dirt; this is well taken since environmental risk assessments typically do include the consumption of dirt as a cause of cancer or chronic risk to a child.



However, maybe the clause is for other reasons?



If you really want to grow food on your land and are concerned about leaching of pollutants, I would suggest using your own ground, meaning import fertilizer and dirt, and put a barrier so that leaching of pollutants would be minimized. Its possible the contaminants in the ground may volatilize and rise into your new soil, that's why I suggest some sort of membrane. Or use large potters!



All in all, not sure the degree of contamination specific to your site.
 
well i see lots of plants being grown all over columbus square...and the fact that it used to be farmland suggests that it is possible to grow things there



having pesticides in the ground is another matter--it is a seperate issue from being able to grow stuff
 
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