Tremont - Fountain Valley

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Anyone know the pricing on the new KB community in FV....The 2,900 sq ft single story looks interesting. Don't see many new one story homes these days. No HOA or Mello-Roos either...





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[quote author="freedomCM" date=1234353413]you really want to live 300ft from the 405fwy?</blockquote>
But at least it's "convenient" to the 405...you can walk over and play chicken with the cars flying by at 80mph. haha Talk about shoving a housing project into a great location. I wonder if the homes backing up to the 405 will command a "freeway convenient" premium???
 
i used to live in the apartments backing up to the 405 - we just had to keep our windows facing the freeway closed all the time. but if you're not right next to the freeway, then it should fine. wow, new homes in fountain valley... that sounds pretty ideal. good schools, close to the beach, the park, and the 405.
 
I used to live close to the 55. I won't live close to a freeway again. The noise was easy, the pollution wasn't. I quickly discovered that leaving windows open cause surfaces to quickly get coated in a grease/oil/rubber based 'dust' that if wiped smeared like the greasy grim in your car's engine compartment.
 
No other builders can beat KB Homes in selling price. This builder knows how to bulk up the houses in cheap dry wall and stick frame footages but keeping the expensive items to a minimum. All three plans in this 3,000-4,000sf project offer minimum kitchen and 2-1/2 bath count. For the last 2 recessions not including this one KB has done very well in providing cost effective housing. KB and Lewis even built a few on the Irvine Ranch during the recession. KB paid the highest on the land deal and stripped all cost from the homes. I would not be surprised KB may find its way back on the Irvine Ranch in the value villages such as Woodbury East or Stonegate.



For those who are looking for size and cheap selling price this is the project. Most buyers looking for homes in an in-filled location like this one have different set of priorities and aesthetic is never one of them. Proximity to family, work and multigenerational living are the top 3 priorities. Price although not listed but I can predict that the price would be very attractive. Furthermore, I think this bottom feeder builder will have a smashing success with rapid absorption despite of its polluted location. New homes are rare in this location. For the superstitious Vietnamese shoppers having a new home on a clean (non burial site) land this project would achieve its success.



Three car garages and full driveway are Vietnamese?s preference as well as the image of prestige. House power is defined by the visible quantity of garage stalls. Since possibly 3 generations might occupy these homes it is crucial that the site is walking distance to the bus stops at Warner and Brookhurst. Many older Vietnamese grandparents can take a bus north bound on Brookhurst to Little Saigon commercials on Bolsa and Westminster Blvd. Mobility in travel is very important for the elderly. Proximity to their social setting is paramount in selecting this home site.



The younger generation between the age of 17-25 will parked their tricked out Honda Rice Burners on the 3 car driveways since convenience is very important for this group. They spent a lot of time at coffee and Boba bars where the waitresses are dressed in provocative attire in Little Saigon.



KB Homes will do very well here. I really hate the aesthetic of the elevations. Unfortunately at this location and many other locations function will triumph over aesthetic.
 
polluted location? what was there before? google maps shows a dirt lot with with some "weird" imprints left from whatever was there before..
 
[quote author="ps99472" date=1234362780]polluted location? what was there before? google maps shows a dirt lot with with some "weird" imprints left from whatever was there before..</blockquote>


From the freeway, not from the site.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1234359800]No other builders can beat KB Homes in selling price. This builder knows how to bulk up the houses in cheap dry wall and stick frame footages but keeping the expensive items to a minimum. All three plans in this 3,000-4,000sf project offer minimum kitchen and 2-1/2 bath count. For the last 2 recessions not including this one KB has done very well in providing cost effective housing. KB and Lewis even built a few on the Irvine Ranch during the recession. KB paid the highest on the land deal and stripped all cost from the homes. I would not be surprised KB may find its way back on the Irvine Ranch in the value villages such as Woodbury East or Stonegate.



For those who are looking for size and cheap selling price this is the project. Most buyers looking for homes in an in-filled location like this one have different set of priorities and aesthetic is never one of them. Proximity to family, work and multigenerational living are the top 3 priorities. Price although not listed but I can predict that the price would be very attractive. Furthermore, I think this bottom feeder builder will have a smashing success with rapid absorption despite of its polluted location. New homes are rare in this location. For the superstitious Vietnamese shoppers having a new home on a clean (non burial site) land this project would achieve its success.



Three car garages and full driveway are Vietnamese?s preference as well as the image of prestige. House power is defined by the visible quantity of garage stalls. Since possibly 3 generations might occupy these homes it is crucial that the site is walking distance to the bus stops at Warner and Brookhurst. Many older Vietnamese grandparents can take a bus north bound on Brookhurst to Little Saigon commercials on Bolsa and Westminster Blvd. Mobility in travel is very important for the elderly. Proximity to their social setting is paramount in selecting this home site.



The younger generation between the age of 17-25 will parked their tricked out Honda Rice Burners on the 3 car driveways since convenience is very important for this group. They spent a lot of time at coffee and Boba bars where the <strong>waitresses are dressed in provocative attire in Little Saigon.</strong>



KB Homes will do very well here. I really hate the aesthetic of the elevations. Unfortunately at this location and many other locations function will triumph over aesthetic.</blockquote>
Ahhh yeah, the Vietnamese Cafes with the cute tiny girls with large fake boobs...the good old days. haha
 
I wouldn't buy a KB home if it was priced at a $1. Well, unless it had an ocean view, but these don't, they have a freeway view. I don't care what BK says, KB builds sh*tty homes. I wouldn't even want hs_teacher to buy a KB home. They provide cost effective housing because they cut corners, and cut them again, and once more for fun. I would rather build my own home out of legos, because I know it would be a higher quality than KB. Sorry BK, but you and I both know that the tinker toys found in the goodwill are more sturdy than the materials KB uses.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1234373026]I would rather build my own home out of legos, because I know it would be a higher quality than KB.</blockquote>


I wonder what the R-value would be in a Lego Home.

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[quote author="graphrix" date=1234373026]I wouldn't buy a KB home if it was priced at a $1. Well, unless it had an ocean view, but these don't, they have a freeway view. I don't care what BK says, KB builds sh*tty homes. I wouldn't even want hs_teacher to buy a KB home. They provide cost effective housing because they cut corners, and cut them again, and once more for fun. I would rather build my own home out of Lego, because I know it would be a higher quality than KB. Sorry BK, but you and I both know that the tinker toys found in the goodwill are more sturdy than the materials KB uses.</blockquote>


Yeah I know that KB Homes built bad houses. They do cut corner like you said. KB is at the bottom for quality. It is a bottom feeder no good builder. I would live in a Lego and feel safer than the KB toys because Lego has interconnecting parts while KB's walls are minimally braced. KB is cheap, greedy, and knows how to fool the consumers.



I agree that KB is a lousy builder and I would never endorse KB and recommend buyers to buy such a crap. Now I have to put my emotion aside and evaluate the market demographic. Buyers will likely be wow with a NEW home that has not been built at this centralized location for the last 15 years. Buyers will likely be unsophisticated and currently living in homes in much worse conditions. Buyers will likely be needing a huge box for 12 extended relatives. Just the 3 freakin car wide garage with driveway might lure my associate professor across the hall to this location.



Looking at this project objectively if priced right unfortunately KB will do well with the ethnic market that have much lower standard than all of us. Brookhurst is one of the main public transportation arteries to Little Saigon and KB will benefit from this amenity making its homes very appealing to the multi-generational buyers.



I have to be fair and evaluate every project objectively for its strength and weakness. KB Homes in a bad builder that built bad houses unilaterally however this project it has the advantage of a centralized location. The negative is the freeway adjacency but I think the project will have a good chance in this ethnic market.



Many developers are looking for builders who can afford to pay the higher land prices. Many good builders can't make the land residual balance. KB is desperately looking for validation to elevate its status. Consumers believe that builders on the Irvine Ranch are the chosen ones and they all pass the rigorous quality control test. KB is just one of the few builders who can leverage its PR fund to pay for high land prices. Do not be surprised to see KB in Irvine!!
 
Plan 1: One Story 2875 sf. 3-4 bed/2.5-3.5 Ba, 2 car - $899,990 starting price.

Plan 2: Two Story 3630 sf. 3-5 bed/2.5-5ba/3cg - $989,990 starting price

Plan 3: Two Story 4178 sf. 3-5 bed/2.5-4ba/3cg (split) - 1,069,990 starting price.



No HOA.



Phase 1 is 5 home sites. At least 8 phases are planned at 5-8 homes per phase. A good 30 cars parked on the streets and lot.



It was a mad house zoo for people walking through. There were literally 5-8 couples/families walking through each home and in the sales office.



The first home of the models was a plan 2, and all three are built for walk through. IMHO, they really hit their target demographic from a staging perspective on the first model. The models seemed to have left the optional bedrooms out to increase the openness feeling which, IMHO, will drastically change when walled in for bedrooms. Construction, design and finish quality are what one expect from a KB home but comes up short on a million dollar home mark, IMO.



The master bedroom suite and closet are a hoarder's dream with massive space for clothes. In the plan 3, the Master bedroom suite, closets and master bath while not completely staged felt nearly as large as our current townhome. It is a good point to note, the second model home is not fully staged. The one story doubles as the design office with many of the rooms sitting with upgrade samples.



As a side note, I almost missed the place as I was coming down the 405 because I was looking for the open field that used to abut the 405 but saw the newly constructed sound wall.
 
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Many developers are looking for builders who can afford to pay the higher land prices. Many good builders can't make the land residual balance. KB is desperately looking for validation to elevate its status. Consumers believe that builders on the Irvine Ranch are the chosen ones and they all pass the rigorous quality control test. KB is just one of the few builders who can leverage its PR fund to pay for high land prices. Do not be surprised to see KB in Irvine!!</blockquote>


KB is already on the Irvine Ranch at Portola Springs.
 
I totally agreed with BK...KB home suck. We used to tour KB homes in Arizona, and most of their home have unfinished garage. If you want a finish garage, you have to pay extra. The wall that separate you and your neighbor...KB home built them really low under 5 ft or at 5ft, you can see your neighbor back yard from your yard.
 
Bishop,



I agreed it attracts Vietnamese buyer, I would rather live in a Vietnamese community than the Santa Ana community, where you not only have three generation living together, but you have a three generation plus your other relative on your mom and your dad side as well. That three car garages can be the extra three bedrooms.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1234407326]Do not be surprised to see KB in Irvine!!</blockquote>


KB has a bad rep in Houston too, maximum sq footage for min price and poor quality. Homes < two years old selling now for <a href="http://search.har.com/engine/dispSearch.cfm?mlnum=6482916&class=1&sType=0">$56/sg ft</a>.



That understood and as I become more familiar with Irvine and the dynamics therein, I am wondering if build quality really matters to today?s buyer/debtor. I enjoy reading bkshopr?s analysis and comments on various OC communities. My initial impression of Irvine was as bk said, that if a home was built in Irvine it must be above par.



I agree that if a certain elevation, sq footage, and garages are the hallmark qualities of prosperity, KB Homes is the one that could build it the cheapest. But I don?t want a KB home with maximum stud/rafter spacing and wobbly walls when a door is closed.



What does that say if KB homes and their pers build in parts of Irvine? I see it as affirmation that form and a structured environment over true quality and substance are the true values of Irvine, at least in those areas of Irvine. Does it matter the house quality if you could care less if the house still exists 100 years from now?



I do not get the impression Irvine housing with it's small houses, 5000 sq ft lots and various hoa dues supporting an entire sub-industry of pseudo value-added services are meant to last 100 years. Maybe they are just a place holder until the next bubble when it pencils-out to scrape the lot and build again.



$900k for a KB-spec house? Give me a fing break.
 
A little more on the homes, when I said hit their demographic, I don't mean it in a good way. I haven't see many homes decorated that way from a staging perspective. It both seemed stereotypical and heavy handed. Maybe it does reach their demo, I don't know. What I do know is that it made it really obvious that I wasn't the target demographic.



Home 1 was the Plan 2 and the only home that was completely staged. The first thing to catch my eye was the use of family photos. Not family photos but potraits and vacation shots. I don't recall that many photos in other model homes, or even, photos in other homes. What as noticeable about the photos is they were all Asian. Except the couple photo in the master bedroom of the white guy/Asian woman.



In the dining room and living room were quite generic with just photos setting tone. The living room was small and frankly other than glancing at it, I paid it no more attention as I walk in through the front day since it was obviously a space that would never be used. It's small enough to turn into an optional den, which I'm surprised it isn't although that would require a window where the optional fireplace goes. The den is actually another optional bedroom off of the great room. Both frankly, unremarkable and unmemorable.



The great room begins the kitschish asian motif. Other than the motif, it's too is unremarkable. It should be note that the quasi-grand staircase ajoins the entry hall that connects the living room, dining room, great room. It's not a foyer and not hallway, but yet another wasted space that is larger than a hallway and two small to be useable. The stairway is double wide to the hall and single width split to the kitchen and up to the 2nd floor. Yes, the stair comes down to a small landing where it splits and room to different directions. Can you say dead space?



The kitchen... I don't know what to say, my wife pointed out that the coat closet is next to the stairs in the middle of the kitchen and the pantry is around the corner of the hall next to the garage.



Upstairs, they have it configured for three bedrooms and a loft. The media room is an optional bedroom/bath combo. Again unremarkable except for the issue that the loft is open on two sides so any activities are going to echo throughout the house, however I suspect it won't be an issue since there isn't a decent wall to mount an LCD on. The loft ajoins the smallest bedroom and of the two walls that the loft has, one is exterior with a small useless window imbedded in the middle and the 2nd all is a zigzag caused by the punch in space for the bedrooms closet. In media room mode, the closet for the bedroom is centered in the media room which is places it adjacent to the entry door which opens and blocks part of the closet slider.



The first and smallest bedroom was configured in Hannah Montana lunatic mode. Bright lavender shag rug, complete Montana bed sheeting, wall with Montana guitar, and ... asian portraits...



The 2nd bedroom is a bit larger and probably teenager livable. In fact, it had enough space the teenager would probably disappear and only be seen raiding the refrigerator after a steathy sprint down the stairs directly into kithchen. The motif was generic nascar.



The Master bedroom featured, you guessed it, more asian portraits! The master is configured with a hanging red velvet wall to wall, floor to ceiling covering behind the master bed. I didn't bother to pull the whole thing up to see what if flaws they were obscuring with it. The side tables had a pair of huge dominating circle lamps on them. By circle lamp, I mean the base, then a big circular "O" and then little leg up and the light and shade. The walk-in closet and master bath are connected via a mini circular foyer. The master bath is unremarkable and sadly, the least wasteful of space and functionality of the master baths in the three models. A fairly straight forward rectangle layout with split sinks separated by the giant tub with the commode and shower on the other wall.



The master closet deserves special mention, as I mentioned, a hoarder's dream. In each house, they are literally half the size of the master bedroom which is as large as you would expect in a McMansion. The closets are perforated with one or more small windows. What is the point of the windows in the closets? Is it merely to maintain the elevation appearance? They are too small to be used as an escape route. Is their a legal/regulatory requirement? I first notice the windows appearing in closets in Phoenix about three/four years ago and frankly, I suspect this floorplan is a reused floorplan from Phoenix.
 
<<KB has a bad rep in Houston too, maximum sq footage for min price and poor quality. Homes < two years old selling now for $56/sg ft.>>



Despite all my bad memories of all my real estate ventures in Houston sometimes I wish my hovel in Irvine was impressive as my Memorial monstrosity. Thank god I'm out of there. Houston is not my kind of place. If cheap housing is desirable we would all be rooting around Detroit.
 
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