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I never looked at these Elevate floor plans until I saw them riding my bike off of Irvine Blvd. I thought 3k+ sft homes must have a nice floorplan.

Boy was I wrong... 3 stories and and and... first floor only has 1 toilet. Minimum IHO rule for 3k sft homes is first floor should have at least a powder and a bathroom. Primary should have wet room option and at least 2 closets. Nope.

And with a name like Elevate... with 3 stories... was expecting an Elevate-or.
 
It's kind of obscene that $2.1M gets you either a driveway/front door on the same side but second floor kitchen/living (Rowan models) or first floor kitchen/living but garage and front door are opposite ends of the house (Alder models).
 
I never looked at these Elevate floor plans until I saw them riding my bike off of Irvine Blvd. I thought 3k+ sft homes must have a nice floorplan.

Boy was I wrong... 3 stories and and and... first floor only has 1 toilet. Minimum IHO rule for 3k sft homes is first floor should have at least a powder and a bathroom. Primary should have wet room option and at least 2 closets. Nope.

And with a name like Elevate... with 3 stories... was expecting an Elevate-or.
Couldn't agree more.
Also there is no loft on the 2nd floor. I'm fine with a 3rd floor as a bonus but the first 2 floors must be a fully functional house. TB has those kind of design but not this one.
I also don't like the small foyer leads directly to the living room without a hallway. Feels cheap like a motor court home with shared driveway.
 
Models still aren't open yet right? Rowan seems like awful value. >$2.1M for 3 story (with kitchen/living on second floor), and those don't even really look like driveways.
Really? TB has a tendency of selling before models are up. I remember when I was going to get on the priority list for The Meadows and they started selling even before starting to build the models. We drove all the way down here to check out the site, but didn't like how the site was like a crater compared to the surrounding and gave up on it.
 
Really? TB has a tendency of selling before models are up. I remember when I was going to get on the priority list for The Meadows and they started selling even before starting to build the models. We drove all the way down here to check out the site, but didn't like how the site was like a crater compared to the surrounding and gave up on it.
The Elevate also sold more than a third of the lots before Models opens. Also for whatever reasons TB only built 2 model houses out of the 3 floor plans.
 
AI slop

detached condos vs single family homes what's the difference?


A detached condo and a single-family home can look very similar physically, but the big differences are in ownership structure, land ownership, HOA control, and financing/insurance.

Detached Condo​

A detached condo is usually a standalone house with no shared walls, but legally it is a condominium.

What you own​

  • You typically own:
    • The interior and structure of the house
    • Sometimes a small yard/patio area
  • The land underneath may be:
    • Owned collectively by the HOA, or
    • Limited common area assigned to you

HOA involvement​

Detached condos almost always have an HOA that:

  • Maintains common areas
  • May maintain roofs/exteriors in some communities
  • Enforces rules (parking, paint colors, rentals, landscaping, etc.)
  • Charges monthly HOA dues

Insurance​

  • HOA usually carries a master policy for common areas
  • You still need your own condo/home insurance policy

Financing​

  • Loans can sometimes be slightly more complicated because lenders review:
    • HOA finances
    • Litigation
    • Owner-occupancy ratios
    • Reserve funds

Typical pros​

  • Lower maintenance
  • Often cheaper than nearby single-family homes
  • Amenities (gates, pools, landscaping)

Typical cons​

  • HOA fees
  • More rules/restrictions
  • Potential special assessments
  • Less control over property

Single-Family Home (SFR)​

A single-family residence is the traditional house ownership structure.

What you own​

You usually own:

  • The house
  • The land underneath
  • The yard/frontage

HOA involvement​

  • Some SFR neighborhoods have no HOA at all
  • Others may still have HOAs, but usually with fewer shared-property complications

Insurance​

You buy a standard homeowner’s insurance policy covering:

  • House
  • Land improvements
  • Liability

Financing​

Usually simpler financing because:

  • No condo approval process
  • No HOA financial review (unless there is an HOA)

Typical pros​

  • More freedom/control
  • Usually stronger appreciation long-term
  • Fewer restrictions
  • No shared ownership issues

Typical cons​

  • More maintenance responsibility
  • Often more expensive
  • Landscaping/repairs entirely on owner

In California, a Detached Condo Often Means:​

In places like Orange, Corona, or newer Irvine developments:

  • It looks exactly like a regular house
  • But the title/deed is condo ownership
  • The HOA may own roads, exterior walls, roofs, or land parcels
That distinction matters for:

  • Resale value
  • HOA dues
  • Insurance
  • Loan approval
  • Property taxes
  • Rental rules

Easy Rule of Thumb​

  • Single-family home: “I own the house and the dirt.”
  • Detached condo: “I own the house, but the HOA may own or control much of the surrounding property.”

How to Tell Which One a Property Is​

Look at:

  • MLS listing:
    • “Property Subtype”
    • “Condominium”
    • “Single Family Residence”
  • Preliminary title report
  • County assessor records
  • HOA documents (CC&Rs)
A detached condo can still be a very good purchase — especially in Southern California where they are often much cheaper than comparable SFRs — but it’s important to evaluate the HOA carefully.
 
AI slop

detached condos vs single family homes what's the difference?


A detached condo and a single-family home can look very similar physically, but the big differences are in ownership structure, land ownership, HOA control, and financing/insurance.

Detached Condo​

A detached condo is usually a standalone house with no shared walls, but legally it is a condominium.

What you own​

  • You typically own:
    • The interior and structure of the house
    • Sometimes a small yard/patio area
  • The land underneath may be:
    • Owned collectively by the HOA, or
    • Limited common area assigned to you

HOA involvement​

Detached condos almost always have an HOA that:

  • Maintains common areas
  • May maintain roofs/exteriors in some communities
  • Enforces rules (parking, paint colors, rentals, landscaping, etc.)
  • Charges monthly HOA dues

Insurance​

  • HOA usually carries a master policy for common areas
  • You still need your own condo/home insurance policy

Financing​

  • Loans can sometimes be slightly more complicated because lenders review:
    • HOA finances
    • Litigation
    • Owner-occupancy ratios
    • Reserve funds

Typical pros​

  • Lower maintenance
  • Often cheaper than nearby single-family homes
  • Amenities (gates, pools, landscaping)

Typical cons​

  • HOA fees
  • More rules/restrictions
  • Potential special assessments
  • Less control over property

Single-Family Home (SFR)​

A single-family residence is the traditional house ownership structure.

What you own​

You usually own:

  • The house
  • The land underneath
  • The yard/frontage

HOA involvement​

  • Some SFR neighborhoods have no HOA at all
  • Others may still have HOAs, but usually with fewer shared-property complications

Insurance​

You buy a standard homeowner’s insurance policy covering:

  • House
  • Land improvements
  • Liability

Financing​

Usually simpler financing because:

  • No condo approval process
  • No HOA financial review (unless there is an HOA)

Typical pros​

  • More freedom/control
  • Usually stronger appreciation long-term
  • Fewer restrictions
  • No shared ownership issues

Typical cons​

  • More maintenance responsibility
  • Often more expensive
  • Landscaping/repairs entirely on owner

In California, a Detached Condo Often Means:​

In places like Orange, Corona, or newer Irvine developments:

  • It looks exactly like a regular house
  • But the title/deed is condo ownership
  • The HOA may own roads, exterior walls, roofs, or land parcels
That distinction matters for:

  • Resale value
  • HOA dues
  • Insurance
  • Loan approval
  • Property taxes
  • Rental rules

Easy Rule of Thumb​

  • Single-family home: “I own the house and the dirt.”
  • Detached condo: “I own the house, but the HOA may own or control much of the surrounding property.”

How to Tell Which One a Property Is​

Look at:

  • MLS listing:
    • “Property Subtype”
    • “Condominium”
    • “Single Family Residence”
  • Preliminary title report
  • County assessor records
  • HOA documents (CC&Rs)
A detached condo can still be a very good purchase — especially in Southern California where they are often much cheaper than comparable SFRs — but it’s important to evaluate the HOA carefully.
TLDR - Can we get AI to provide a succinct summary of it's findings?
 
TLDR x 2

Single Family - you have your own lot
Detached Condo - you do not have your own lot

Looking at the lot map you can quickly see these are all condos.

lot.png
 
I remember long ago, one of the new hoods in Irvine said they were detached condos but you owned the land (even showed me some property map that defined the lot).

I think I posted that here somewhere but I may be misremembering.

It was either Cypress Village or CPE.
 
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