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Rezoning, increase in housing density, increase in affordable housing.... there goes the neighborhood, great park.





<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/park-lennar-great-2526110-city-agreement">http://www.ocregister.com/articles/park-lennar-great-2526110-city-agreement</a>
 
[quote author="asianinvasian" date=1250117621]Rezoning, increase in housing density, increase in affordable housing.... there goes the neighborhood, great park.





<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/park-lennar-great-2526110-city-agreement">http://www.ocregister.com/articles/park-lennar-great-2526110-city-agreement</a></blockquote>


Yeah, we need more housing. There's enough parks. No need for a gigantic park.
 
[quote author="asianinvasian" date=1250117621]Rezoning, increase in housing density, increase in affordable housing.... there goes the neighborhood, great park.





<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/park-lennar-great-2526110-city-agreement">http://www.ocregister.com/articles/park-lennar-great-2526110-city-agreement</a></blockquote>
4-story single family homes FTW!
 
I am so disappointed. That little swatch of empty land between irvine and lake forest/el toro kept things less dense and gave the feeling of a bit more elbow room. A large-area park would have been a great device to keep the crowding down.Now I get the feelings its going to be like Garden Grove in a few years...
 
Why dont we wait to see the area after development before we start hating?

It could turn out nice too!





[quote author="MojoJD" date=1250121364]I am so disappointed. That little swatch of empty land between irvine and lake forest/el toro kept things less dense and gave the feeling of a bit more elbow room. A large-area park would have been a great device to keep the crowding down.Now I get the feelings its going to be like Garden Grove in a few years...</blockquote>
 
[quote author="MojoJD" date=1250121364]I am so disappointed. That little swatch of empty land between irvine and lake forest/el toro kept things less dense and gave the feeling of a bit more elbow room. A large-area park would have been a great device to keep the crowding down.Now I get the feelings its going to be like Garden Grove in a few years...</blockquote>


544 affordable housing units = garden grove?
 
<a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/great-park.html">Great Park deal in Irvine gets go-ahead</a>







Greatpark In the latest effort to move forward on a massive park planned for the former El Toro Marine base in Orange County, the City of Irvine has struck a new deal with the developer that is supposed to build thousands of homes around the parkland.



In a 3-2 vote late Tuesday, the Irvine City Council approved substantial changes to its 2005 agreement with Lennar Corp., which purchased the El Toro Marine base from the U.S. Navy to build thousands of homes around 1,347 acres of the now city-owned land that is being called the Orange County Great Park.



Under the agreement, Lennar will transfer 131 additional acres to Irvine and pay the city $58 million for infrastructure and park maintenance. In exchange, the housing giant would be let off the hook for some of its obligations to the city, including building a 45-hole golf course and leaving 173 acres of the base as farmland.



The deal also opens public land to limited development: It allows the city to build a police station, hotels, restaurants and retail space on portions of the nearly 1,500-acre expanse envisioned as parkland -- a footprint nearly twice the size of New York?s Central Park that designers liken to San Francisco?s Golden Gate Park and Balboa Park in San Diego.



City leaders who supported the plan say the infusion of cash will allow them to get a jump start on developing hundreds of acres into parkland, an endeavor that has floundered because of the collapse of the housing market.



The project relies on tax money expected from housing and commercial developments that were to be built surrounding the park, but those plans have been at a standstill. Councilman Larry Agran, who is also chairman of the city?s Orange County Great Park Corp., said the agreement will allow workers to start work on the park by demolishing runways by this fall.



?This is a truly a remarkable milestone, especially against the backdrop of an economic environment where almost no major projects other than traditional infrastructure are moving forward,? he said.



But those voting against the changes, including Councilwoman Christina Shea, expressed concern that they would pave the way for higher density and more development in and around the park and that they granted too many concessions to the struggling housing developer.



?This is just a bailout for Lennar and it?s a sellout to Irvine residents,? Shea said.



The developer said it will benefit by having more land to build on, developing shared infrastructure, such roads and sewers, and making progress toward a park that will make its property more desirable when homes eventually are built.



"That is the amenity that we're relying on," said Emile Haddad, president and CEO of Five Point Communities, a firm that manages the land at the old El Toro base for Lennar and other investors.



In a separate, 4-1 vote, the Irvine council also approved 1,269 additional housing units, entitling Lennar to build up to 4,894 units on land surrounding the park. City officials earlier this year approved a final design that includes intricate details of how the park is expected to look, complete with a man-made canyon, hiking trails, soccer fields and museums.



Leaders this year also gave the go-ahead for $61 million in spending they say will begin to transform 500 acres of the former military base into a park over the next three to five years.



--Tony Barboza at Irvine City Hall



Photo: At the intersection of Barranca and Alton parkways in Irvine in January a tractor and crew prepare the ground for green beans instead of neighborhoods.



Credit: Mark Boster / Los Angeles Times
 
[quote author="freedomCM" date=1250125273][quote author="MojoJD" date=1250121364]I am so disappointed. That little swatch of empty land between irvine and lake forest/el toro kept things less dense and gave the feeling of a bit more elbow room. A large-area park would have been a great device to keep the crowding down.Now I get the feelings its going to be like Garden Grove in a few years...</blockquote>


544 affordable housing units = garden grove?</blockquote>


yes. dont get me started on "affordable housing". the idea offends me so.
 
The city of Irvine is responsible to provide affordable housing and not developers. City of Irvine can only trade favors with the developers allowing the developers to benefit from higher density (more houses = more revenue) assuming consumers still want attached housing for getting the developers to do one or both of the following items: Donate land or/and build affordable housings. Other favors may include allowing less neighborhood park acreage requirement. The parks and tot lots that IHO loves were mandated by City of Irvine based on number of units in the neighborhoods. They were not something freely given up by developers to promote better lifestyle but developers will take credit for marketing them.



The developers often will do just one by donating the most crappiest piece of land in non marketable locations often next to freeway transition ramps, flood channel or behind loading docks or train tracks in an industrial business park and let the city deal with non profit government funded entities like Jamboree, Bridge housing and Newport Partners to build the structures.



The recent phrase that Affordable projects have the same architectural spec level as market rate is partially true. The same stucco marvels built by same guys standing outside Home Depot.
 
I dunno... to me this sounds like good news.



More inventory would seem like it would lead to lower prices... so build away. That whole Great Park area would seem like lower income housing to me anyways... unless they build a football stadium there and bring an NFL team back to SoCal... hehe.
 
Have you guys heard this in the local news?



<a href="http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august062009/el_toro_radiation_8-6-09.php">El Toro Marines Exposed to Radiation</a>



Can somebody point in a Google map where are the Hangar 296 and 297?



Obviously radiation can't be contained in a single building or hangar as the article seems to imply.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1250129793]unless they build a football stadium there and bring an NFL team back to SoCal... hehe.</blockquote>


Now you are talking. Or better yet, build a stadium and have USC play half their games down here. All their QB's come from OC anyway. Be an easier commute for the families.
 
[quote author="Rocker" date=1250131369]Have you guys heard this in the local news?



<a href="http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august062009/el_toro_radiation_8-6-09.php">El Toro Marines Exposed to Radiation</a>



Can somebody point in a Google map where are the Hangar 296 and 297?



I don't think radiation can be contained in a single building or hangar.</blockquote>


Rocker, is your real name Marsha or are you the author of <a href="http://www.mwsg37.com/">http://www.mwsg37.com/</a>? If you are, can you please tell me how I can share some of your money if you win your lawsuit?
 
Man, you just showed your cards, are you involved, directly or indirectly, in any way shape or form with the successful economic development of this piece of land?



If we're starting paranoid assumptions, let's bomb away.
 
I wanted an international airport with direct flights to south america so i would never have to endure the Miami airport again.
 
[quote author="Rocker" date=1250132336]M



If we're starting paranoid assumptions, let's bomb away.</blockquote>


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<a href="http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7865">Law Firm Pursuing El Toro Injuries and Deaths</a>
 
[quote author="Rocker" date=1250131369]Have you guys heard this in the local news?



<a href="http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august062009/el_toro_radiation_8-6-09.php">El Toro Marines Exposed to Radiation</a>



Can somebody point in a Google map where are the Hangar 296 and 297?



Obviously radiation can't be contained in a single building or hangar as the article seems to imply.</blockquote>


The radiation is not from a nuclear reactor, though. It was from radium paint back in the day to make the gauges on planes glow.



There is also a little bit of uranium, but I believe this was for a nuclear powered test plane/drone since there is such a small amount it was originally tested and assumed to be naturally occurring. I have many maps/graphs/pics so just let me know what you want.



<a href="http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.664613,-117.733966&spn=0.004036,0.014591&t=h&z=17">Hanger 296 and 297</a>



<a href="http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=33.669202,-117.745709&spn=0.002018,0.005252&z=18">Contamination visible from satellite 2000 ft away</a>
 
[quote author="CK" date=1250131570][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1250129793]unless they build a football stadium there and bring an NFL team back to SoCal... hehe.</blockquote>


Now you are talking. Or better yet, build a stadium and have USC play half their games down here. All their QB's come from OC anyway. Be an easier commute for the families.</blockquote>


Now you're talking about something that I care about. Great Park Schmark. But didn't I read somewhere that there is going to be a privately funded/developed NFL stadium in the IE?
 
bkshopr, I know the requirements for affordable housing development. My comment was that the idea offends me. Why force the price of a house down to let someone live someplace they otherwise could not? I'd like to apply for an affordable 5 story beach house on a cliff in south newport, price capped at 400,000. Where is my program?



Giving someone something they didnt work to earn almost always ensures a lack of respect for the gift. (yes, its a gift). It also reduces availability on the market for normal buyers. I'm sick of god damned handouts.
 
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