The truth: Im not sure where this belongs but Im going to start here...

[quote author="NancyBotwin" date=1223111507]<blockquote> let me guess nancybotwin?s response to this - ?why should i move, he is the sex offender? as if her right to live there is greater than the sex offender?s - just another case of NIMBY. Like i said, i wouldnt want them near me either, but they have to live somewhere. </blockquote>


My response to Qwertys post was based on the condescending tone. Nothing more nothing less.</blockquote>


i dont think i was being condescending, and it definitely was not intended to be, like i said, i completely agree with you, i would not want them in my neighborhood either, but everyone has a right to live somewhere, unfortunately that somewhere is going to where there are women and children. the thing that bugs me about your argument and others that feel the same you do, is that it makes it seem like you think your rights to live in your neighborhood is greater than the sex offender's right and unfortunately it is not - whether you like it or not.



If i owned a house and sex offender moved in next door, i would not like it one bit, but i would not try to remove the person, because they have a right to live there. If i was really bothered by it, i would sell the house and move, not very practical and an expensive way to resolve it, but my right to live where i do is no greater than anyone else. that is all i am saying.
 
[quote author="qwerty" date=1223121574][quote author="NancyBotwin" date=1223111507]<blockquote> let me guess nancybotwin?s response to this - ?why should i move, he is the sex offender? as if her right to live there is greater than the sex offender?s - just another case of NIMBY. Like i said, i wouldnt want them near me either, but they have to live somewhere. </blockquote>


My response to Qwertys post was based on the condescending tone. Nothing more nothing less.</blockquote>


i dont think i was being condescending, and it definitely was not intended to be, like i said, i completely agree with you, i would not want them in my neighborhood either, but everyone has a right to live somewhere, unfortunately that somewhere is going to where there are women and children. the thing that bugs me about your argument and others that feel the same you do, is that it makes it seem like you think your rights to live in your neighborhood is greater than the sex offender's right and unfortunately it is not - whether you like it or not.



If i owned a house and sex offender moved in next door, i would not like it one bit, but i would not try to remove the person, because they have a right to live there. If i was really bothered by it, i would sell the house and move, not very practical and an expensive way to resolve it, but my right to live where i do is no greater than anyone else. that is all i am saying.</blockquote>


I tend to agree qwerty. If I thought my neighborhood had a predator issue, which could not be resolved by legal/civil means, I'd sell the place and find somewhere safer to live. A home can be replaced. The after effects of such an attack on a child can likely never be fully undone...



If there is one thing I truly love about bland, boring, cooke-cutter Irvine, it is the safety. My children's physical, emotional, and psychological health are the utmost priorities. All other considerations are secondary.



BTW, welcome Ms. bk. I have great respect for your hubby and his contributions here. I too empathize and wish you success in your attempts to improve your neighborhood.
 
[quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223127608][quote author="qwerty" date=1223121574][quote author="NancyBotwin" date=1223111507]<blockquote> let me guess nancybotwin?s response to this - ?why should i move, he is the sex offender? as if her right to live there is greater than the sex offender?s - just another case of NIMBY. Like i said, i wouldnt want them near me either, but they have to live somewhere. </blockquote>


My response to Qwertys post was based on the condescending tone. Nothing more nothing less.</blockquote>


i dont think i was being condescending, and it definitely was not intended to be, like i said, i completely agree with you, i would not want them in my neighborhood either, but everyone has a right to live somewhere, unfortunately that somewhere is going to where there are women and children. the thing that bugs me about your argument and others that feel the same you do, is that it makes it seem like you think your rights to live in your neighborhood is greater than the sex offender's right and unfortunately it is not - whether you like it or not.



If i owned a house and sex offender moved in next door, i would not like it one bit, but i would not try to remove the person, because they have a right to live there. If i was really bothered by it, i would sell the house and move, not very practical and an expensive way to resolve it, but my right to live where i do is no greater than anyone else. that is all i am saying.</blockquote>


I tend to agree qwerty. If I thought my neighborhood had a predator issue, which could not be resolved by legal/civil means, I'd sell the place and find somewhere safer to live. A home can be replaced. The after effects of such an attack on a child can likely never be fully undone...



If there is one thing I truly love about bland, boring, cooke-cutter Irvine, it is the safety. My children's physical, emotional, and psychological health are the utmost priorities. All other considerations are secondary.



BTW, welcome Ms. bk. I have great respect for your hubby and his contributions here. I too empathize and wish you success in your attempts to improve your neighborhood.</blockquote>


I pity the fool who would mess with IPO's kiddos, especially when you consider how fiercely he defended his mailbox. :)



<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/MrT.jpg" alt="" />



One of my first and fondest memories of moving back here to Irvine was going outside with my little boy, just a couple of days old, and meeting IPO at the end of the block. He was there along with another dad, watching their infants on the little community patch of grass; not even big enough to do much more than roll themselves around and teethe on the cement walkway. Time flies.

/sentimentality
 
[quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223127608][quote author="qwerty" date=1223121574][quote author="NancyBotwin" date=1223111507]<blockquote> let me guess nancybotwin?s response to this - ?why should i move, he is the sex offender? as if her right to live there is greater than the sex offender?s - just another case of NIMBY. Like i said, i wouldnt want them near me either, but they have to live somewhere. </blockquote>


My response to Qwertys post was based on the condescending tone. Nothing more nothing less.</blockquote>


i dont think i was being condescending, and it definitely was not intended to be, like i said, i completely agree with you, i would not want them in my neighborhood either, but everyone has a right to live somewhere, unfortunately that somewhere is going to where there are women and children. the thing that bugs me about your argument and others that feel the same you do, is that it makes it seem like you think your rights to live in your neighborhood is greater than the sex offender's right and unfortunately it is not - whether you like it or not.



If i owned a house and sex offender moved in next door, i would not like it one bit, but i would not try to remove the person, because they have a right to live there. If i was really bothered by it, i would sell the house and move, not very practical and an expensive way to resolve it, but my right to live where i do is no greater than anyone else. that is all i am saying.</blockquote>


I tend to agree qwerty. If I thought my neighborhood had a predator issue, which could not be resolved by legal/civil means, I'd sell the place and find somewhere safer to live. A home can be replaced. The after effects of such an attack on a child can likely never be fully undone...



If there is one thing I truly love about bland, boring, cooke-cutter Irvine, it is the safety. My children's physical, emotional, and psychological health are the utmost priorities. All other considerations are secondary.



BTW, welcome Ms. bk. I have great respect for your hubby and his contributions here. I too empathize and wish you success in your attempts to improve your neighborhood.</blockquote>


Gonna agree with Ipop here. We checked before we moved to our present neighborhood and the lack of offenders was one of the big factors in our choice of locations.
 
Anyone remember the big flap in Anaheim because a bunch of ex-con sex offenders were right close to Disneyland? You have to put these people somewhere. You can't kill them.



We (citizens of the state of California) passed a law several years back that effectively forced sex offenders to not live within 1000 yards of a school. Anyone remember that?



That law forces these folks to effectively be placed in rural areas like Kern, Kings, Fresno, and Madera county. And puts all those residents at undue risk. It is not fair to them to have these folks dumped into their neighborhoods, much the same as it's perfectly reasonable for Nancy to be pissed that these folks are near her.



Nancy, as much as I emphathise with your situation, this indeed is NIMBYism because your solution is displacing these people into other folks neighborhoods and doesn't solve the problem. As long as it's not in your neighborhood, you don't care. Part of living in the US is we all get to eat the collective shit sandwich, and this is one of those circumstances.



BTW, there are three within a block of my house, if Familywatchdog.us is correct.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1223190349]Anyone remember the big flap in Anaheim because a bunch of ex-con sex offenders were right close to Disneyland? You have to put these people somewhere. You can't kill them.



We (citizens of the state of California) passed a law several years back that effectively forced sex offenders to not live within 1000 yards of a school. Anyone remember that?



That law forces these folks to effectively be placed in rural areas like Kern, Kings, Fresno, and Madera county. And puts all those residents at undue risk. It is not fair to them to have these folks dumped into their neighborhoods, much the same as it's perfectly reasonable for Nancy to be pissed that these folks are near her.



Nancy, as much as I emphathise with your situation, this indeed is NIMBYism because your solution is displacing these people into other folks neighborhoods and doesn't solve the problem. As long as it's not in your neighborhood, you don't care. Part of living in the US is we all get to eat the collective shit sandwich, and this is one of those circumstances.



BTW, there are three within a block of my house, if Familywatchdog.us is correct.</blockquote>


I completely agree with this post. In addition to this, if anyone could actually calculate the mathematical probability of anything happening to your own child, or even a child near you as a consequence of these people's existence, you would see that there are far more serious threats (mostly created IN the home) to a child's well-being. I am basically saying that our society has created fear where little threat exists and no fear where much threat exists.
 
[quote author="waiting2buylater" date=1223034766]From what I have read, pedophiles have more often than not reverted back to being pedophiles even after treatment. They should not be exposed near children. These sick people should be put away for life.</blockquote>


My buddy's Dad is a Psychologist and he said exactly the same thing.
 
[quote author="mediaboyz" date=1223199029][quote author="waiting2buylater" date=1223034766]From what I have read, pedophiles have more often than not reverted back to being pedophiles even after treatment. They should not be exposed near children. These sick people should be put away for life.</blockquote>


My buddy's Dad is a Psychologist and he said exactly the same thing.</blockquote>


Examine the people in your own life, this is where they are.
 
It is such a coincidence that I read this post yesterday, and my girlfriend called me today about something creepy that happened to her son.

She took her son to a family doctor in Irvine, this is the closest clinic which accepts her insurance. Her son is a teen, and he is seeing the doctor for some injury related to the upper extremity. Anyways, after examination, the doctor asked my friend to leave the room, because he needed to examine her son's p*nis. My friend immediately objected and left before the doctor could say anything.

I was extremely shocked to hear of this behavior, and she asked for my advice. I told her to go to the medical board and file a complaint. I know exactly where this doctor's practice is at, and I am a frequent patron of that shopping center. It makes me sick to my stomach.

I would like to post his name here and all over the internet! Is that illegal?
 
Our doctor tells our kids at every exam that NO ONE is allowed to look at or touch their private parts unless it's a doctor AND mom or dad is present (they are 3 and 4). I don't think that the behavior of this doc would fly with the medical board. However, if it is a teen boy and mom is present, I would expect the doctor to leave it up to the child and the parent as to if the parent should be present.
 
[quote author="Allison C." date=1223441984]It is such a coincidence that I read this post yesterday, and my girlfriend called me today about something creepy that happened to her son.

She took her son to a family doctor in Irvine, this is the closest clinic which accepts her insurance. Her son is a teen, and he is seeing the doctor for some injury related to the upper extremity. Anyways, after examination, the doctor asked my friend to leave the room, because he needed to examine her son's p*nis. My friend immediately objected and left before the doctor could say anything.

I was extremely shocked to hear of this behavior, and she asked for my advice. I told her to go to the medical board and file a complaint. I know exactly where this doctor's practice is at, and I am a frequent patron of that shopping center. It makes me sick to my stomach.

I would like to post his name here and all over the internet! Is that illegal?</blockquote>


Allison, I think your friend should contact the State Medical Board and talk to someone there. Last I heard, a penis isn't part of the upper extremity area, so that sounds pretty strange.



The Board can investigate it and find out what the deal was. At the very least, there's something on record about the guy and at most, it might stop the guy from harming a child. You never know; he might be on probation with the Board already for something. It could be that your friend's report is the one report that makes them yank his medical license.
 
Allison, I think your friend should contact the State Medical Board and talk to someone there. Last I heard, a penis isn't part of the upper extremity area, so that sounds pretty strange.



The Board can investigate it and find out what the deal was. At the very least, there's something on record about the guy and at most, it might stop the guy from harming a child. You never know; he might be on probation with the Board already for something. It could be that your friend's report is the one report that makes them yank his medical license.</blockquote>


Yes, I agree with you. It could have been innocent, but no point in taking chances. Just because he is a Doctor doesn't mean he can't be a pervert.
 
I'm going to make zero friends on the IHB with this one.



The doctor notified the mother that he was going to look at her son's privates. This was likely out of consideration of the son being a teenage or tween boy (I didn't want my mother watching when the doctor gave me a physical back when I played HS sports). To me, it appears he was looking for a hernia.



She can report whatever she wants, but she's in bad shape because he told her what he wanted to do. If she wanted to stay in the room, that was her oppourtunity to say so. If she objected or didn't realize what the problem was that necessitated looking at her son't penis, she had the oppourtunity to do so then. No pedophile is going to ask permission to molest your kid, particularly to your face.



If the doctor made up some cock and bull story about checking a kneecap and wound up molesting the kid, I'd feel different.



Rather than file a complaint, the mother should go seek counciling for being such a pushover or a lemming. At a minimun she should be embarrassed she kept her mouth shut at a moment she should of started asking questions. Talk about a lack of personal responsiblity, or responsiblity for your family.



And if I haven't pissed the world off enough yet, I got one more:



<img src="http://www.yatpundit.com/random_pics/pedobear_seal.jpg" alt="" />
 
No_vas, maybe you're right. Maybe he was checking for a hernia. On the other hand, a mother's intuition was telling her something and she was smart not to ignore it.



Better to be safe than sorry when it comes to a kid.
 
I do remember when I was teen, when the doctor told me he was checking there and I had the choice of having my mom in the room or not (this was for a physical). I said I didn't want her in there, and then he asked my mom "is that okay with you?" and I can't imagine a mom that would say no to that. So I agree with no_vas that by telling her what he was doing it was okay. Although I think it would have been better if he did it as a question instead of a command.
 
I spoke with my friend, she looked up his license on California Medical Board website. His license is being reprimanded. She called and was told she can pay a fee to have the record mailed to her. My friend recalled something that was said to her by the front office staff before they saw the doctor. The staff told my friend that the doctor might act or request strange things. Before she could ask anything else, the doctor came out.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I do appreciate everyone's input. But I would definitely need a strong reason for a doctor to check my privates, whether I am 2 or 80 years old, if I hurt my arm. And he better explain it before rushing me out the door.

I do understand no_vaseline's point in saying no molestor would tell in advance what he's gonna do. But it could have been an 'alibi' for himself so he can say, " I already told them I was gonna examine it." ??
 
Shouldn't the doctor have a nurse present when examining a patient?

I thought this was normal procedure to protect the doctor and the patient.

I have two family members who are doctors (male & female) and both of them have a nurse present when they examine a male or a female patient.



And I've had female and male doctors in past examinations.

Both had a nurse present for the examination.
 
[quote author="NancyBotwin" date=1223110850][quote author="Trooper" date=1223093550]<em>Let me guess NIMBY = Not in my backyard? Nice attitude, so lets round them all up and put them near your kids school and in your neighborhood and see how long your snark lasts then. Sound good? </em>



bk's wife or not, you need to chill out.



Most of us are on your side in one way or another.



Sheesh.</blockquote>






get over yourself</blockquote>


Hmmm, for someone who is introducing herself to try and get accepted, I can't help but notice you are quick to resort to insults within one of your first posts.... But anyway, I disgress.







These people are bad, but as long as they're not in prison they have every civil right. No matter how much you say "I want them out" you don't have any personal right to impose on them where they should live.
 
[quote author="CalGal" date=1223448949]Shouldn't the doctor have a nurse present when examining a patient?

I thought this was normal procedure to protect the doctor and the patient.

I have two family members who are doctors (male & female) and both of them have a nurse present when they examine a male or a female patient.



And I've had female and male doctors in past examinations.

Both had a nurse present for the examination.</blockquote>


Hey, you read my mind, I was just gonna edit my last post. I know whenever I have my annual exams, the nurse is always present. It would be interesting if my friend decides to pay for the doctor's record.



BTW, he just turned 13 last week, so it's not like he's 18. :)
 
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