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"Saturday Night Live" mocks Obama's Nobel Prize win
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/10/saturday_night_live_mocks_obam.html
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/10/saturday_night_live_mocks_obam.html
the Celebrity won an undeserved award
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Absolutly safer.
As apposed to the war mongering Bush Administration. (Where are those damn weapons again ?).
I think everybody but the House of Saud is in better shape. (How many Saudi Nationals on those planes)?
And maybe the guys over at Haliburton and the other private war firms. Guess their gravy train is ending finally.
It was nice while it lasted. Some of the best war profiteering of all time. Hundreds of billions spent to do what again ?
How many Iraqi citizens killed ? How many American Lives and Families pained for generations ? Do you feel safer now with Saddam dead ?
And Iraq did what to America again to deserve us spending 6+ years as "liberators" on their soil ?
Funny how time brings everything to a perspective with the truth of history.
I have learned a long time ago that blt is not worthwhile of engaging in any meaningful discussion. I am starting to wonder whether Bush kill someone he loves? Someone who has so much hatred towards an individual should seek medical and spiritual help.
I am going to have to agree. I think BLT has blind faith in the almighty Obama. Poland and the Czech Republic went out on a limb allowing a DEFENSE system designed to intercept missles from IRAN and we slapped them in the face by canceling the program.
The idea behind the missle defence system was to tell our allies in the area that they don't need to build up an nuclear arsenal because we will protect you.
I guess we won't now.
MY sentiments exactly!
Actually, I most certainly do.
I read somewhere that he mentioned he was donating the money. I'm not sure which charity(ies) he selected.
If Obama stops the war overseas, our enemies will only grow stronger. They will train their troops. They will make devastating weapons. And they will bring the war to our soil. You dont get it, do you? There are people and organizations out there whose sole purpose is to see the demise of the United States. They will not rest until they have succeeded.
Say whatever you want about Bush. One thing is undeniable. Since 9/11, he has kept us safe.
Bush? He is the one that moved us away from Afghanistan (where the people who really attack us were) to Iraq (where nothing was happening) and allowed the warlords and the Taliban to reassert themselves. The past 8 eight years, Iraq has taken up the bulk of the U.S.'s attention while Afghanistan becomes the wild wild west where heroin and marijuana trades became key elements of the economy. Not only has the situation in Afghanistan not gotten better since the U.S. went in, it has gotten worse! Oh yeah, Bush was also the one that allow Bin Laden to get away...thanks a lot for keeping us safe.
As for the Nobel prize, I find it laughable that the GOP/right is attacking Obama for it. He did not ask, lobbying, or request to even get nominated (let alone win it). I can see why people think the award is premature but it's not Obama's fault (then again, what isn't Obama's fault?).
As for the whether Obama deserves the award, I look at it a couple different ways.
One, the award was given as a "Thank goodness, we don't have Bush anymore" award. There is no such thing as a the Nobel prize for anti-peace or else I am sure Bush would have gotten a couple.
Second, the award should be seen as been given to the American people for choosing a different route in dealing with the world...Obama was given the award as the figurehead of the American people.
Third, Obama's change in rhetoric toward the international community, the Middle East, and belligerent nations (i.e. Iran) shows a complete shift in American diplomacy. The U.S. is still the biggest kid on the block and no other nation can has as much influence/effect on world peace then the U.S. The shift in American diplomacy to actually talking/listening (rather than bombing everyone) is a tremendous boost to the idea of world peace.
Bin Laden is old, nearly dead, and on the run in the mountains of Pakistan (apparently). The Taliban is not in power, so he has no government to hide behind. He has been forced to communicate through relayed messages on foot. Bush completely disrupted Al Qaida's terror network. I felt completely and utterly safe as an american until Obama was elected.
No, Obama did not ask to be nominated for the award. But he accepted the award, knowing full well that there were at least ten people/organizations more deserving of the award.
Obama is one of the biggest celebrities in the world. Nothing more.
From todays news can you please tell them that weapons are not the answer?
N. Korea fires 5 short-range missiles
Separately, Taliban claim responsibility for weekend attack on army HQ
Clinton to press Russia on Iran, arms control
The missles in Poland and the Czech republic were to defend and intercept missles from Iran.
I don't know about the "has kept us safe" part. After all, we've had 4200+ war casualties and 30,000+ wounded in Iraq (a country that had nothing to do with 9/11). You may want to rephrase that as "has kept me safe".
This is my country and has been for many generations. Sorry if I want to make it a better place.
Just love the idea`s of the past that we should spread Democracy in the Muslim world with the end of a rifle.
That healthcare should be decided by huge corporations taking advantage of a broken system and telling sick
people that they cant be insured. While the CEO of that healthcare company makes 100`s of millions and gets busted
for post dating stock options.
Your old ideas have run their course. Make way for the future and some common sense in our country.
Are you saying Tutu should have won the Nobel Prize.....again?
bltserv_IHB
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trrenter said:
Absolutly safer.
As apposed to the war mongering Bush Administration. (Where are those damn weapons again ?).
I think everybody but the House of Saud is in better shape. (How many Saudi Nationals on those planes)?
And maybe the guys over at Haliburton and the other private war firms. Guess their gravy train is ending finally.
It was nice while it lasted. Some of the best war profiteering of all time. Hundreds of billions spent to do what again ?
How many Iraqi citizens killed ? How many American Lives and Families pained for generations ? Do you feel safer now with Saddam dead ?
And Iraq did what to America again to deserve us spending 6+ years as "liberators" on their soil ?
Funny how time brings everything to a perspective with the truth of history.
trrenter_IHB
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BLT
Being "Not Bush" should not win you a prize.
Bush is no longer in office.
Do you feel safer knowing that North Korea is pursuing it's goal to build nuclear weapons?
Do you feel safer knowing that Iran is pursuing it's goal to build nuclear weapons?
Your droning on and on about Iraq gets old. You can continue to point a finger there and say it was an unjust war. I disagreed with you a year ago, six month's ago and today. Give it up and talk about what Obama is doing. As you pointed out Bush is history, Obama is today and today he has done nothing to earn that award.
Keep praying to the church of Obama.
Being "Not Bush" should not win you a prize.
Bush is no longer in office.
Do you feel safer knowing that North Korea is pursuing it's goal to build nuclear weapons?
Do you feel safer knowing that Iran is pursuing it's goal to build nuclear weapons?
Your droning on and on about Iraq gets old. You can continue to point a finger there and say it was an unjust war. I disagreed with you a year ago, six month's ago and today. Give it up and talk about what Obama is doing. As you pointed out Bush is history, Obama is today and today he has done nothing to earn that award.
Keep praying to the church of Obama.
bltserv_IHB
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Trenter
I feel way safer. By 100 fold. I know my son wont get drafted to fight another mans war for nothing with Obama in office.
We will negotiate with North Korea before we attack them with Obama. The Koreans maybe can have peace together finally.
We are no longer afraid to engage a potential foe diplomatically.
We will and are making inroad's with the Iranian`s. Looks like we have inspections taking place as we speak.
This could have never happened before. It would be too appeasing. LOL.
The Russians and the US are in much better shape for holding off on more missles in Poland.
But peace has its price. The American War machine is going to maybe need to divert some of that cash
on Americans at home. God forbid we spend on Healthcare for Americans what we blew on "Iraqi Freedom".
I cant wait for my "Obama Care" health insurance rates at work. Could save me thousands a year.
I feel way safer. By 100 fold. I know my son wont get drafted to fight another mans war for nothing with Obama in office.
We will negotiate with North Korea before we attack them with Obama. The Koreans maybe can have peace together finally.
We are no longer afraid to engage a potential foe diplomatically.
We will and are making inroad's with the Iranian`s. Looks like we have inspections taking place as we speak.
This could have never happened before. It would be too appeasing. LOL.
The Russians and the US are in much better shape for holding off on more missles in Poland.
But peace has its price. The American War machine is going to maybe need to divert some of that cash
on Americans at home. God forbid we spend on Healthcare for Americans what we blew on "Iraqi Freedom".
I cant wait for my "Obama Care" health insurance rates at work. Could save me thousands a year.
ecchan_IHB
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trrenter said:
I have learned a long time ago that blt is not worthwhile of engaging in any meaningful discussion. I am starting to wonder whether Bush kill someone he loves? Someone who has so much hatred towards an individual should seek medical and spiritual help.
trrenter_IHB
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Look4house said:
I am going to have to agree. I think BLT has blind faith in the almighty Obama. Poland and the Czech Republic went out on a limb allowing a DEFENSE system designed to intercept missles from IRAN and we slapped them in the face by canceling the program.
The idea behind the missle defence system was to tell our allies in the area that they don't need to build up an nuclear arsenal because we will protect you.
I guess we won't now.
bltserv_IHB
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I love you guys. God forbid but weapons are not the only answer.
Why must we place our weapons and our men on other foreign soils to show our strength ?
We were wrong in Viet Nam. We were wrong in Iraq. And we are about to be wrong again in Afghanistan.
Benjamin Franklin said it best.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
Edit:
I am watching 60 Minutes this evening.
70% of Afghans are Iliterate
80% dont have Electricity.
So its up to us to give them these modern objects.
You dont use our precious military forces for these objectives ?
Go Obama. Stop the war. Bring our troops home.
Why must we place our weapons and our men on other foreign soils to show our strength ?
We were wrong in Viet Nam. We were wrong in Iraq. And we are about to be wrong again in Afghanistan.
Benjamin Franklin said it best.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
Edit:
I am watching 60 Minutes this evening.
70% of Afghans are Iliterate
80% dont have Electricity.
So its up to us to give them these modern objects.
You dont use our precious military forces for these objectives ?
Go Obama. Stop the war. Bring our troops home.
gypsyuma_IHB
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Minimorty said:
MY sentiments exactly!
gypsyuma_IHB
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green_cactus said:I don't understand all the outrage and confusion. The Nobel Peace price has always been rather subjective in its nature and up to the whim of the Nobel Commitee.
The (alleged) top contenders were:
- French President Nicolas Sarkozy
I bet for most of the people on this list, it would have barely been newsworthy - or do you guys think that Sarkozy should have won instead !?!??
Reuters Article
Actually, I most certainly do.
Minimorty_IHB
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gypsyuma said:
I read somewhere that he mentioned he was donating the money. I'm not sure which charity(ies) he selected.
Minimorty_IHB
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bltserv said:
If Obama stops the war overseas, our enemies will only grow stronger. They will train their troops. They will make devastating weapons. And they will bring the war to our soil. You dont get it, do you? There are people and organizations out there whose sole purpose is to see the demise of the United States. They will not rest until they have succeeded.
Say whatever you want about Bush. One thing is undeniable. Since 9/11, he has kept us safe.
IrvineCommuter_IHB
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Minimorty said:
Bush? He is the one that moved us away from Afghanistan (where the people who really attack us were) to Iraq (where nothing was happening) and allowed the warlords and the Taliban to reassert themselves. The past 8 eight years, Iraq has taken up the bulk of the U.S.'s attention while Afghanistan becomes the wild wild west where heroin and marijuana trades became key elements of the economy. Not only has the situation in Afghanistan not gotten better since the U.S. went in, it has gotten worse! Oh yeah, Bush was also the one that allow Bin Laden to get away...thanks a lot for keeping us safe.
As for the Nobel prize, I find it laughable that the GOP/right is attacking Obama for it. He did not ask, lobbying, or request to even get nominated (let alone win it). I can see why people think the award is premature but it's not Obama's fault (then again, what isn't Obama's fault?).
As for the whether Obama deserves the award, I look at it a couple different ways.
One, the award was given as a "Thank goodness, we don't have Bush anymore" award. There is no such thing as a the Nobel prize for anti-peace or else I am sure Bush would have gotten a couple.
Second, the award should be seen as been given to the American people for choosing a different route in dealing with the world...Obama was given the award as the figurehead of the American people.
Third, Obama's change in rhetoric toward the international community, the Middle East, and belligerent nations (i.e. Iran) shows a complete shift in American diplomacy. The U.S. is still the biggest kid on the block and no other nation can has as much influence/effect on world peace then the U.S. The shift in American diplomacy to actually talking/listening (rather than bombing everyone) is a tremendous boost to the idea of world peace.
Minimorty_IHB
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IrvineCommuter said:
Bin Laden is old, nearly dead, and on the run in the mountains of Pakistan (apparently). The Taliban is not in power, so he has no government to hide behind. He has been forced to communicate through relayed messages on foot. Bush completely disrupted Al Qaida's terror network. I felt completely and utterly safe as an american until Obama was elected.
No, Obama did not ask to be nominated for the award. But he accepted the award, knowing full well that there were at least ten people/organizations more deserving of the award.
Obama is one of the biggest celebrities in the world. Nothing more.
trrenter_IHB
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bltserv said:
From todays news can you please tell them that weapons are not the answer?
N. Korea fires 5 short-range missiles
Separately, Taliban claim responsibility for weekend attack on army HQ
Clinton to press Russia on Iran, arms control
The missles in Poland and the Czech republic were to defend and intercept missles from Iran.
bltserv_IHB
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trrenter
Do you have any Korean friends ? Have you every really understood the Korean People ?
The North Koreans are a VERY STRONG willed people. Posture and Face mean everything in their culture.
This is typical behavior for them to show some military strength before talks.
Got to keep those military strong men feeling important in the North.
Do a little reading maybe. It just so happens that North and South are in serious talks.
Opening trade and visitation for the first time since the 50`s.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/10/113_53284.html
So what should we do with the Taliban ? Just play hide and seek with them for endless years ?
The same way the Russian`s did for a decade ? We CANNOT win that type of war. Period.
They have the advantage of the terrain, time, and attrition. We in all honesty dont have enough
military aged men to win that type of fight. Its a fact.
The average Afghan family has 5 or 6 son`s. American`s maybe 1 or 2. There are more men of military
age in Afghanistan and more coming. And again. What are we fighting for ?
Because the Taliban helped Al Qaeda buy giving them sanctuary? Again. Do some reading.
That is the custom in this country. They give Sanctuary to fellow Muslims no matter what the politics
of the West deems politically correct.
Adding more troops is not the answer. Supporting a puppet Government wont work either.
We need to do what Pakistan will do. And thats let these people have there land and do what they want.
They can practice their form of Islam as extreme as it may be. If they attempt to attack us.
We just bomb the crap out of them. We dont need boots on the ground. Thats the mistake we keep making.
Bombing worked in Bosnia. How many men did we lose in that war ?
Do you have any Korean friends ? Have you every really understood the Korean People ?
The North Koreans are a VERY STRONG willed people. Posture and Face mean everything in their culture.
This is typical behavior for them to show some military strength before talks.
Got to keep those military strong men feeling important in the North.
Do a little reading maybe. It just so happens that North and South are in serious talks.
Opening trade and visitation for the first time since the 50`s.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/10/113_53284.html
So what should we do with the Taliban ? Just play hide and seek with them for endless years ?
The same way the Russian`s did for a decade ? We CANNOT win that type of war. Period.
They have the advantage of the terrain, time, and attrition. We in all honesty dont have enough
military aged men to win that type of fight. Its a fact.
The average Afghan family has 5 or 6 son`s. American`s maybe 1 or 2. There are more men of military
age in Afghanistan and more coming. And again. What are we fighting for ?
Because the Taliban helped Al Qaeda buy giving them sanctuary? Again. Do some reading.
That is the custom in this country. They give Sanctuary to fellow Muslims no matter what the politics
of the West deems politically correct.
Adding more troops is not the answer. Supporting a puppet Government wont work either.
We need to do what Pakistan will do. And thats let these people have there land and do what they want.
They can practice their form of Islam as extreme as it may be. If they attempt to attack us.
We just bomb the crap out of them. We dont need boots on the ground. Thats the mistake we keep making.
Bombing worked in Bosnia. How many men did we lose in that war ?
green_cactus_IHB
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Minimorty said:
I don't know about the "has kept us safe" part. After all, we've had 4200+ war casualties and 30,000+ wounded in Iraq (a country that had nothing to do with 9/11). You may want to rephrase that as "has kept me safe".
trrenter_IHB
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BLT,
The country you want the US to become sounds like Canada why not just move there?
They have the Obama Care already and they have the same mentality as you about war.
The country you want the US to become sounds like Canada why not just move there?
They have the Obama Care already and they have the same mentality as you about war.
bltserv_IHB
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trrenter said:
This is my country and has been for many generations. Sorry if I want to make it a better place.
Just love the idea`s of the past that we should spread Democracy in the Muslim world with the end of a rifle.
That healthcare should be decided by huge corporations taking advantage of a broken system and telling sick
people that they cant be insured. While the CEO of that healthcare company makes 100`s of millions and gets busted
for post dating stock options.
Your old ideas have run their course. Make way for the future and some common sense in our country.
no_vaseline_IHB
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Minimorty_IHB
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no_vaseline said:
Are you saying Tutu should have won the Nobel Prize.....again?