Irvinecommuter said:
fortune11 said:
rickr said:
I did not like it. I might have become a sarcastic ass as I get older but I had way too many WTF moments watching this movie. As a child, Darth Vader terrified me. They did a horrible job with Kylo Ren. Can you imagine Darth Vader ever losing a light saber battle to someone that has never even lifted one?
Also, they ruined Luke's legacy. They lost me at the green milk. NASTY!!!
+1 . Finally saw it too. Ruining Luke's legacy did it for me - Luke Skywalker, a legend and one of the few all-time icons in pop culture in the entire world and this director makes him into a weasel and a coward ? WTF is going on w this franchise. Looks like they look a long list of things to check off -- merchandizing, catering to all all overseas markets , covering all ethnic demos , etc. and the product was this cluster f ** . And this baby-faced Kylo Ren trope looks like Darth Vader on the cheap.
Disney is like the kiss of death for creativity. The way they ruined Pixar is how they are destroying this hallowed franchise. Well at-least we have the Empire Strikes Back to treasure forever (my favorite of all ) .
I don't understand this point of view. Did you not see what happened to Yoda and Obi-Wan in the original series versus what they were like in the prequels? Warriors becoming jaded and hermits at the end of their life is a tale as old as time.
Here is my problem - Luke Skywalker is not some supporting character like Obi Wan or Jedi - he along w Han Solo and Leia , is the holy trinity of Stars Wars mythology . He is an American Icon for chrissakes. And from what I learned from my International colleagues in grad school , he has done more to spread American values than any amount of foreign aid $$ . That binary sunset scene on Tatooine w Mark Hamill set against John Williams masterpiece music is etched into movie history forever as among the best motion picture clips of all time.
I have no problem w heroes turning into something they are initially not. But if it is done w care and w a proper bridge . The lightsaber that Luke lost during his epic battle w his father (the one and only Darth Vader) - when Rey presents him w it , he just tosses it back like that , and the audience is supposed to get cheap laughs from that ? Really ? Han Solo's death has no poignancy for Luke ?
Original Episodes 4-6 had their moments of levity and self deprecation primarily generated by Han Solo who was a proxy for the audience. But this "TLJ " has no sense of occasion and history or legacy. It is just about saying "whats the big deal anyways " and "screw all that " lets just do what we want - and then you get dumbest of dumb scenes like Princess Leia turning into Mary Poppins . Atleast give Carrie Fisher a proper send off after her death in real life. She could have drifted into space and that would have nicely closed a chapter , but no ...
And I am not just addicted to episodes 4-6 , although they are the better ones. I did like "Rogue One" because it was done properly , developed slowly and had a proper script with a proper , emotionally uplifting ending .
This movie will be financially ok , I guess . Will make lost of $$ in overseas markets and people will still see it because it is "Star Wars " after all . But for the next one , if it is the same director, I am saving my $$ for when it comes on dvd or for free on cable.