Santa Cruz at WE

[pret]

I like the plan 3 in Santacruz. They are charging real high $720k for this plan. They have been increasing the price by 4k every release. Is this worth $720k? or we going to into the bubble again.

No open space for that much price.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Welcome to TI pret... and I agree, $720k is a bit high for a 3br+den unit.

I think if they would have made the den a bedroom and added a shower to the downstairs powder it would have been perceived as a better value.

And yes, things are looking a bit bubble-ish.

 

[irvinefan]

yes, the price does seem high, but so do the prices for the rest of the collection (incl. montecito which also offers 3bd + den for nearly $750k!)! 

others have said to wait if you can, but a lot depends on your personal situation and whether it's better for you to buy now vs. later.

welcome to the board!

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Welcome to TI pret... and I agree, $720k is a bit high for a 3br+den unit.

I think if they would have made the den a bedroom and added a shower to the downstairs powder it would have been perceived as a better value.

Does The Irvine Company read TI?

Just Announced! Santa Cruz Residence 3X just added a downstairs 4th Bedroom option, perfect for your growing family! Just another reason why purchasing a home at Santa Cruz is a smart move, at a great value.
...
THE DEN/OFFICE CAN NOW BECOME A 4TH BEDROOM AT NO ADDITIONAL COST!

If only it were in Woodbury proper.

 

[scubasteve]

just got the email too... makes this plan a lot more attractive... if we wait longer, TIC might add a driveway at no additional cost!

 

[gaab]

A got this email blast as well.  I'm starting to enjoy this little trickle of incentives coming our way from our fair friends at TIC.  Hope it continues !  Maybe in 6 more months we will get free exterior landscaping....  (just to see if TIC is reading this)  ;-)

 

[irvinehomeowner]

A got this email blast as well.  I'm starting to enjoy this little trickle of incentives coming our way from our fair friends at TIC.  Hope it continues !  Maybe in 6 more months we will get free exterior landscaping....  (just to see if TIC is reading this)  ;-)

Good idea.

3CWG! 3CWG! 3CWG!

 

[Irvine2Irvine]

just got the email too... makes this plan a lot more attractive... if we wait longer, TIC might add a driveway at no additional cost!

If you ask, TIC WILL give you a driveway at no additional cost.  The only downside is that you won't have an attached garage any longer.

 

[ajw522]

Welcome to TI pret... and I agree, $720k is a bit high for a 3br+den unit.

I think if they would have made the den a bedroom and added a shower to the downstairs powder it would have been perceived as a better value.

Does The Irvine Company read TI?

Just Announced! Santa Cruz Residence 3X just added a downstairs 4th Bedroom option, perfect for your growing family! Just another reason why purchasing a home at Santa Cruz is a smart move, at a great value.
...
THE DEN/OFFICE CAN NOW BECOME A 4TH BEDROOM AT NO ADDITIONAL COST!

If only it were in Woodbury proper.

Can you put the link to the email, as I didn't get that one.

Also, I thought BK said that Santa Cruz could never offer a plan like that because of some parking codes, and that in order to have more than 3 bedrooms, you either had to have space in front of the home to park, or an attached driveway.  Are they offering driveways now??

 

[fe9000]

Welcome to TI pret... and I agree, $720k is a bit high for a 3br+den unit.

I think if they would have made the den a bedroom and added a shower to the downstairs powder it would have been perceived as a better value.

Does The Irvine Company read TI?

Just Announced! Santa Cruz Residence 3X just added a downstairs 4th Bedroom option, perfect for your growing family! Just another reason why purchasing a home at Santa Cruz is a smart move, at a great value.
...
THE DEN/OFFICE CAN NOW BECOME A 4TH BEDROOM AT NO ADDITIONAL COST!

If only it were in Woodbury proper.

Can you put the link to the email, as I didn't get that one.

Also, I thought BK said that Santa Cruz could never offer a plan like that because of some parking codes, and that in order to have more than 3 bedrooms, you either had to have space in front of the home to park, or an attached driveway.  Are they offering driveways now??

That's exactly the first thing that came to my mind.  Parking Code.  Maybe they are moving the plan 3s to the front of the motorcourt?  But it still doesn't face the street.

 

[ajw522]

Welcome to TI pret... and I agree, $720k is a bit high for a 3br+den unit.

I think if they would have made the den a bedroom and added a shower to the downstairs powder it would have been perceived as a better value.

Does The Irvine Company read TI?

Just Announced! Santa Cruz Residence 3X just added a downstairs 4th Bedroom option, perfect for your growing family! Just another reason why purchasing a home at Santa Cruz is a smart move, at a great value.
...
THE DEN/OFFICE CAN NOW BECOME A 4TH BEDROOM AT NO ADDITIONAL COST!

If only it were in Woodbury proper.

Can you put the link to the email, as I didn't get that one.

Also, I thought BK said that Santa Cruz could never offer a plan like that because of some parking codes, and that in order to have more than 3 bedrooms, you either had to have space in front of the home to park, or an attached driveway.  Are they offering driveways now??

That's exactly the first thing that came to my mind.  Parking Code.  Maybe they are moving the plan 3s to the front of the motorcourt?  But it still doesn't face the street.

Exactly!  So either they are now giving driveways, they are putting the homes on normal streets and not motorcourts, or they are completely violating the parking code.

 

[Irvine2Irvine]

Maybe they got a waiver for parking code.  Or, maybe BK was just blowing smoke to all of us.
Has to be one or the other.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

They are offering incentives... in future phases they include the Conservatory but if you opt out of it, you can get $15k credit towards closing or design center.

I really like the Santa Cruz plans... they feel roomier than Montecito... almost Sonoma like. If they were in WB at the same price point... we may be tempted.

 

[ajw522]

They are offering incentives... in future phases they include the Conservatory but if you opt out of it, you can get $15k credit towards closing or design center.

I really like the Santa Cruz plans... they feel roomier than Montecito... almost Sonoma like. If they were in WB at the same price point... we may be tempted.

While the 4th bedroom is an incentive, the lingering question still remains: how is this possible with the parking codes?

I also like the Santa Cruz plan 3, even a little more than Montecito.  However, being in Woodbury East, having a supersmall backyard, not having a driveway, and, at the time, not having a 4th bedroom option, is what made us lean towards Montecito.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Not sure if you're gonna get an answer bumping this... if I recall... the thing that BK cited didn't specifically point out *detached* condos.

Is there any code enforcement person on this board? I guess I should have asked the Santa Cruz salesperson but considering the answer they gave me about whether it's a condo or not... not sure what they would say about parking code.

 

[qwerty]

Cmon - does the parking code thing really matter? It is pretty simple, either BK was wrong or they got some sort of exemption.  Either way, there is no code violation! Who cares.

 

[test]

California Code

Single-family housing Parking Spaces Required

2 spaces, within a fully enclosed garage, for each unit with 4 or fewer bedrooms, and 3 spaces, within a fully enclosed garage, for each unit with 5 or more bedrooms.

 

[Irvine2Irvine]

California Code

Single-family housing Parking Spaces Required

2 spaces, within a fully enclosed garage, for each unit with 4 or fewer bedrooms, and 3 spaces, within a fully enclosed garage, for each unit with 5 or more bedrooms.

Does "spaces" include driveway?

 

[ajw522]

Here is the excerpt from the Irvine residential parking code. When there is a 4th BR. There must be either a dedicated third stall on the private driveway. if there is no driveway then in front of the home there must be one curbside parking less than 100' from the front door.



Minimum
Parking
Requirement
Minimum %
Full Size Spaces Notes
1. Single-family
detached1,2,3,4: 1, 2 and 3 bedrooms: 2 spaces/unit (2 covered)
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4 bedrooms or more: 3 spaces/unit (2 covered) 100% ? 1Visitor parking for single-family detached units is assumed to be available along the public or private street frontage. If on-street parking is not permitted or is restricted on the unit's street frontage then 1 visitor parking space shall be required for each affected unit. This visitor space shall be located not more than 100 feet from the unit's street frontage. This space cannot be tandem.
?2Resident parking spaces may be tandem. See section 4-4-1.A for required dimensions of tandem spaces.
?3Units which meet the state requirements for second units (commonly called granny flats or units per Government Code Section 65852.2) shall provide one (1) space in addition to the space(s) required for the primary dwelling unit on site. This space may be tandem. This space may be located within an approved driveway (see Section 3-27-10), but is prohibited in all setback areas and the front yard. If the provision of an on-site space is not feasible, the Director of Community Development shall have the authority to permit the required parking space to be provided off-site.
?4Units approved prior to August 9, 1983, are only required to provide 2 on-site covered parking spaces.

http://www.ocreader.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1140&p=7379&hilit=parking+code#p7379

 

[ajw522]

Screen grab from actual City of Irvine PDF file: