Quest For the $1,000,000 dollar home!

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What will $1,000,000 buy three years from now?



I thought it would be fun to see what people think $1,000,000 would buy when the market is at or near bottom...



Restrictions: The home (SFR or condo) needs to be in Irvine or Newport Coast. Restriction needed to avoid comparing apples and oranges.



Links to Redfin appreciated!
 
In April 2009 dollars, it will buy <a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/58-Cezanne-92603/home/5900826">this.</a>
 
For Irvine:

<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/132-Spring-Vly-92602/home/5812902">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/132-Spring-Vly-92602/home/5812902</a>



or



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/22-Morning-Glory-92603/home/4745443">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/22-Morning-Glory-92603/home/4745443</a>



For Newport Coast:



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Newport-Coast/29-San-Pietro-92657/home/5900178">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Newport-Coast/29-San-Pietro-92657/home/5900178</a>



or



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Newport-Coast/37-Chandon-92657/home/5529838">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Newport-Coast/37-Chandon-92657/home/5529838</a>
 
[quote author="ABC123" date=1239779162]For Irvine:

<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/132-Spring-Vly-92602/home/5812902">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/132-Spring-Vly-92602/home/5812902</a>



or



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/22-Morning-Glory-92603/home/4745443">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/22-Morning-Glory-92603/home/4745443</a>



For Newport Coast:



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Newport-Coast/29-San-Pietro-92657/home/5900178">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Newport-Coast/29-San-Pietro-92657/home/5900178</a>



or



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Newport-Coast/37-Chandon-92657/home/5529838">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Newport-Coast/37-Chandon-92657/home/5529838</a></blockquote>


ABC, home prices will go from $800k-$850k to $1M within three years... I had in mind the opposite.
 
I would think that, three years from now, prices in almost every price category and location will be equal to or more than what they are now. Probably not much more, though.
 
Funny you should mention $1.0m homes. As of yesterday according to the MLS, there were 1,041 $1.0m-$1.5m homes for sale throughout all of Orange County.
 
[quote author="sell4u" date=1239835529]Funny you should mention $1.0m homes. As of yesterday according to the MLS, there were 1,041 $1.0m-$1.5m homes for sale throughout all of Orange County.</blockquote>


Would you know what it was in the good years? Probably 2-3 times as many?
 
[quote author="Roo" date=1239847541][quote author="sell4u" date=1239835529]Funny you should mention $1.0m homes. As of yesterday according to the MLS, there were 1,041 $1.0m-$1.5m homes for sale throughout all of Orange County.</blockquote>


Would you know what it was in the good years? Probably 2-3 times as many?</blockquote>


In the good years, I would imagine considerably less (demand > supply, versus supply > demand right now)
 
[quote author="sell4u" date=1239849580][quote author="Roo" date=1239847541][quote author="sell4u" date=1239835529]Funny you should mention $1.0m homes. As of yesterday according to the MLS, there were 1,041 $1.0m-$1.5m homes for sale throughout all of Orange County.</blockquote>


Would you know what it was in the good years? Probably 2-3 times as many?</blockquote>


In the good years, I would imagine considerably less (demand > supply, versus supply > demand right now)</blockquote>


I think demand was much much higher than today, thus supply was also probably higher than today. Also, many homes in the $1M+ are no longer part of that category.



8 months of inventory when sales are 3 times what they are today is probably much more than 12 months of inventory with much slower sales today. Just throwing some numbers out there...
 
Here is an interesting search.

1. Go to Redfin.com

2. Select all SFR's asking $1,000,000 or more

3. Try to view the results



I can't even zoom out very much, keep getting over 500 results. There is a lot of million dollar or more inventory in Irvine and the surrounding areas ....
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1239859107]In 3 years... hopefully a 3200+ sft QH home.



Right now... < 3000sft QH SFRs are listing for $1.2m+... boo.</blockquote>
In April 2002 that 3,000sf QH SFR will be selling for $750k-$800k
 
I think you mean 2012.... because there was no QH in 2002.



And I don't think that's far off for Tapestrys... getting to $1mil for Chantilly and Sienna maybe... for Vicara... I hope so but doubt it.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1239865734]I think you mean 2012.... because there was no QH in 2002.



And I don't think that's far off for Tapestrys... getting to $1mil for Chantilly and Sienna maybe... for Vicara... I hope so but doubt it.</blockquote>
Yeah, good catch. I think and a lot of other people will be suprised where the dust settles with these McMansions in QH in 3-5 years from now. My guestimate is that the bottom is around $250/sf for SFR and $225/sf for condos in QH.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1239866221][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1239865734]I think you mean 2012.... because there was no QH in 2002.



And I don't think that's far off for Tapestrys... getting to $1mil for Chantilly and Sienna maybe... for Vicara... I hope so but doubt it.</blockquote>
Yeah, good catch. I think and a lot of other people will be suprised where the dust settles with these McMansions in QH in 3-5 years from now. My guestimate is that the bottom is around $250/sf for SFR and $225/sf for condos in QH.</blockquote>


I don't know if this is realistic or wishful thinking but I sure hope it happens.



Would you put Shady in the $400-$500 range?
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1239866221][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1239865734]I think you mean 2012.... because there was no QH in 2002.



And I don't think that's far off for Tapestrys... getting to $1mil for Chantilly and Sienna maybe... for Vicara... I hope so but doubt it.</blockquote>
Yeah, good catch. I think and a lot of other people will be suprised where the dust settles with these McMansions in QH in 3-5 years from now. My guestimate is that the bottom is around $250/sf for SFR and $225/sf for condos in QH.</blockquote>




I doubt if it will go that low. Prices have only gone down 15% or so from the peak. And if the economy picks up which signs pointing to it, how can it suddenly sink that low. Right now, we are sitting on $420 to $500 for the Tapestrys
 
[quote author="frank69m" date=1239928134]

I doubt if it will go that low. Prices have only gone down 15% or so from the peak. And if the economy picks up which signs pointing to it, how can it suddenly sink that low. Right now, we are sitting on $420 to $500 for the Tapestrys</blockquote>


What signs are pointing to the economy picking up?!? Employment? Housing Starts? Foreclosures? GDP Growth? Inflation?



What am I missing? Oh, and please don't point to the "less bad" numbers. Things are going in one direction, and a moementary blip in the second derivative is not a recovery.



IMF puts the projected total underwriting losses on the balance sheets of global banks at $4.4 Trillion! We are less than 1/3 of the way there.



As for QH pricing. Base case we are headed back to the beginning mid 2003 pricing or ~$300/sq.ft. Could 20% higher if underwriting loosens up, rate go below 4%, jumbo conforming limits are expanded. Could go 15%+ below pessimistic case, assuming that government policy does not gain traction, political will to support the banks wanes and we get a Depression style lengthening the crisis.



Take a look at the condo market in QH. There is the canary in the coal mine. Attached units trade at 10-20% discount to detached units. With QH condos in the $300-325 range currently, and going down, that puts detached at $330 - $390 (coincidentally if you look at recent closes not WTF asking prices, this is where the detached market it trading).
 
[quote author="CapitalismWorks" date=1239933223][quote author="frank69m" date=1239928134]

I doubt if it will go that low. Prices have only gone down 15% or so from the peak. And if the economy picks up which signs pointing to it, how can it suddenly sink that low. Right now, we are sitting on $420 to $500 for the Tapestrys</blockquote>


What signs are pointing to the economy picking up?!? Employment? Housing Starts? Foreclosures? GDP Growth? Inflation?



What am I missing? Oh, and please don't point to the "less bad" numbers. Things are going in one direction, and a moementary blip in the second derivative is not a recovery.



IMF puts the projected total underwriting losses on the balance sheets of global banks at $4.4 Trillion! We are less than 1/3 of the way there.



As for QH pricing. Base case we are headed back to the beginning mid 2003 pricing or ~$300/sq.ft. Could 20% higher if underwriting loosens up, rate go below 4%, jumbo conforming limits are expanded. Could go 15%+ below pessimistic case, assuming that government policy does not gain traction, political will to support the banks wanes and we get a Depression style lengthening the crisis.



Take a look at the condo market in QH. There is the canary in the coal mine. Attached units trade at 10-20% discount to detached units. With QH condos in the $300-325 range currently, and going down, that puts detached at $330 - $390 (coincidentally if you look at recent closes not WTF asking prices, this is where the detached market it trading).</blockquote>
I hate sounding like a broken record, but I'll say it again...there is a reason why I sold my QH attached condo when I did. My sales price was $336/sf and I might have squeezed out $340/sf but I wasn't about to chance it. Asking prices of that same exact unit are now below $325/sf and not selling. How could QH not come crashing down when the first sales really began in 2003 and went through 2007?
 
[quote author="CapitalismWorks" date=1239933223]Take a look at the condo market in QH. There is the canary in the coal mine. Attached units trade at 10-20% discount to detached units. With QH condos in the $300-325 range currently, and going down, that puts detached at $330 - $390 (coincidentally if you look at recent closes not WTF asking prices, this is where the detached market it trading).</blockquote>
While I agree with you that QH prices are going down.... I can't find where the larger SFRs homes are trading currently at $390. I found one listing that closed at $391/sft for 3300sft but that's it.



Even at $330/sft, $990k for Tapestry's Plan 3 (largest model) still seems high to me. I'm hoping for USC's $250/sft prediction.
 
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