bltserv said:
This is the United States of America. WE DONT take people out of our Airports with a black bag over their head and torture them for a couple of years. We are a country of laws. And when we suspend those laws out of fear and use the words "To Prevent Attack" as the reason to suspend our laws. We have become the very evil we are against. Thankfully your concept of "National Defense" has run its course and is over for the next 4 years with Obama.
We didn't torture him, the Syrians did. We turned him over to the Jordanians, who in turn handed him over to the Syrians. By his own account, he was never tortured by any American, whether citizen, agent, or otherwise. To my knowledge no law was ever violated in this case, nor have any been suspended to prevent attacks. And maybe you missed the link provided, but it's pretty clear that Obama has left himself an "out" on the issue.
We do not need to become a Police State where anyone that happens to be of Muslim decent
is a suspected terrorist. Learn from history. Taking all the Japanese Americans and putting them in "Camps"? These people were American Citizens born in this country.
Once again "fear" makes us do foolish things that in the eyes of history are really dumb.
History? Here's some history... FDR, the ideal Democrat, created the internment camps. Bush didn't even consider it. The single most invasive thing Bush approved was a no-fly list. Not a "no-boats" list, or a "no-drive" list, or a "house-arrest" list, or even a "hey, don't sell these guys fertilizer" list. Even with that, I saw hundreds of people of midde-eastern heritage on planes and in airports of the last 7 years. None of them were unable to fly or taken into back rooms by security. So spare me the hyperbole, we never even came close to becoming a police state.
This is the 21st Century. And the way to fight terrorism is not by suspending the constitution
or breaking the Geneva Convention. All we do is insight more hate and create stronger enemies
with that shortsighted stupidity.
When was the constitution ever suspended, you fruitcake? Seriously, you spit this stuff out like we were all confined to our homes while tanks were rolling through the streets. As for how to fight terrorism, considering the history of the last 40 years, if there were *one* successful way to win that fight
there wouldn't be any more terrorists! We would have applied that mystical successful strategy years ago when Clinton was in office. And it's spelled "incite";
insight in the ability to seeing into a situation, something you apparently lack. Our enemies hated us before Bush was in office, so your attempt at linking cause and effect isn't just wrong, it's stupid.
How would you feel if the "Mistake" happened to you or your family ?
"Your papers were out of order" "So you will go to the camp" ?????????
I'd be pissed. I'd be even more pissed if some nutjob member of my family was allowed to hijack a plane and fly it into a building because the cops were too timid to question them when they had reasonable suspicion. I'm not condoning a mistake, but I'm not condemning the ones who made it either. They are humans, they make mistakes. In Arar's case, they made a big one.
