October 11th VP Debate Opinions

Who do you think won?

  • Biden

    Votes: 6 46.2%
  • Ryan

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Neither

    Votes: 4 30.8%

  • Total voters
    13
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LOL ur back!! r u going to QFPE me? hahaha hows ur so called motorcourt "slums" neighborhood working out for ya? btw i just checked the megans law website, seems like the only 2 pedophiles in irvine live near ur area... gotta keep the daughters inside lol
 
world chaos said:
winex said:
world chaos said:
obamas plan is to kick the bucket down another 10 years but at least he balances the budget (for the time being)... on the other hand, right now romney/ryans plan is not concrete enough for me to believe because it doesnt add up even in the best of scenarios

u have to take into account the top 15% pay 60% of our revenue, even if economy booms and we get more revenue from the rest the 85%, or everybodys pay increases, its still not gonna be enough (i think i read somewhere each year we spend about 17% over GDP, so revenue growth needs to increase 17% just to balance the budget)... thats why i keep on saying romneys arithmetic doesnt add up... him and ryans rhetoric sounds fiscally conservative, but is it really?

unfortunately that is why right, to me at least, obama seems more fiscally responsible then romney because it actually adds up :-\... i guess im just naturally a skeptic so im always hesitant with any type of rhetoric (im also in sales too haha so i know when someones trying too hard to sell something)
world chaos said:
obamas plan is to kick the bucket down another 10 years but at least he balances the budget (for the time being)... on the other hand, right now romney/ryans plan is not concrete enough for me to believe because it doesnt add up even in the best of scenarios

u have to take into account the top 15% pay 60% of our revenue, even if economy booms and we get more revenue from the rest the 85%, or everybodys pay increases, its still not gonna be enough (i think i read somewhere each year we spend about 17% over GDP, so revenue growth needs to increase 17% just to balance the budget)... thats why i keep on saying romneys arithmetic doesnt add up... him and ryans rhetoric sounds fiscally conservative, but is it really?

unfortunately that is why right, to me at least, obama seems more fiscally responsible then romney because it actually adds up :-\... i guess im just naturally a skeptic so im always hesitant with any type of rhetoric (im also in sales too haha so i know when someones trying too hard to sell something)

Honesty you need to spend some time researching the issues.  You are so far off base that it is difficult to know where to begin.

Under 8 years of President Bush, the national debt went from 5.6 trillion to 10 trillion. 

Under 4 years of Obama, the national debt has gone from 10 trillion to 16.2 trillion.

Granted the way that history played itself out, the 4.4 trillion in increased debt under Bush was inflated because $800 billion of that 4.4 trillion number was loans under TARP that were repaid.  This also reduced the increase in the national debt under Obama by the same amount.

You can fault Bush with increasing the national debt and I would not argue with you.  But how can you call Obama a fiscal conservative when he has run up the national debt by 50% more in half the time?

well im not looking at what obama has done in the past, but on the current platform they are running on only

with that said, whether or not they carry out their platform is a different story, congress might show resistance and/or war might happen, who knows... not trying to defend either bush or obama... but rather just trying to figure out what the romney vs obama platforms really are  ???

at this point, both candidates are so entrenched in rhetoric i cant really tell whether or not either of their numbers add up or if there are actually any significant cuts that will make a big enough impact... at this point obama/biden platform seems to not want to touch social security/medicare but they want to axe military spending... tax wise they want to tax more... while on the other hand romney/ryan platform seems like they want to decrease social security/medicare but dont want to touch military spending... tax wise they want to tax less (or the same, if u include the suggested removal of deductions)... is this right?

lets not include economic growth and/or ballooning social security into the equation, cause then it becomes somewhat rhetorical

One way to avoid campaign rhetoric is to look at consistency of opinions over time.

First of all, though the Senate has ignored the law and hasn't passed a budget in over 3 years, you can look at Obama's budget proposals that have been scored by the CBO (as opposed to speeches that they can't score), and you will see that if we follow what Obama is calling for, we will have deficits in excess of $1 trillion a year as far forward as the CBO is willing to project.  Keep in mind that CBO projections tend to be linear and don't account for recessions or unexpected events.  (What will happen if the market starts demanding higher interest rates on the $16 trillion in bonds that we have floated?)

While doing research on Obama's positions, it is also helpful to see what Ryan has proposed. (Since Romney is a private citizen, he doesn't submit budgets or create legislation, he only talks about guiding principles)

If you Google the term "Path to Prosperity", you will find a wealth of information on Ryan's proposals.  The following graph shows the difference in the national debt over time based on following Obama's proposals versus Ryan's.  This particular version of the Path to Prosperity projections came from an article in a blog posted April 8, 2011 (http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=14064#) - well before Ryan was named as Romney's running mate, and well outside the gravitational pull of the election.  This particular graphic was chosen because it is easy to date.  You can Google the phrase I gave you and get all the supporting information you ever hoped for.

US_Paul_Ryan_Horror_Graph.jpg
 
nice, thanks... ill read up on both positions when i get home

i think i seen that graph somewhere b4 in one of the links u posted... think it was ryan talking to geitner... it is pretty damn scarey though
 
In one of those Geithner links, Geithner said "We don't have a solution to the debt problem.  We just know that we don't like yours."

Also, when you research the Path to Prosperity, read up on what the (non partisan) CBO said of the plan - they validated Ryan's numbers and assumptions.
 
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