Obama The Manchurian Candidate

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<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_hassett&sid=amhpOT5rlR1Y#">?Manchurian Candidate? Starts War on Business: Kevin Hassett</a>

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Commentary by Kevin Hassett



March 9 (Bloomberg) -- Back in the 1960s, Lyndon Johnson gave us the War on Poverty. In the 1970s, Richard Nixon launched the War on Drugs. Now that we have seen President Barack Obama?s first-year legislative agenda, we know what kind of a war he intends to wage.



It is no wonder that markets are imploding around us. Obama is giving us the War on Business.



Imagine that some hypothetical enemy state spent years preparing a ?Manchurian Candidate? to destroy the U.S. economy once elected. What policies might that leader pursue?



He might discourage private capital from entering the financial sector by instructing his Treasury secretary to repeatedly promise a brilliant rescue plan, but never actually have one. Private firms, spooked by the thought of what government might do, would shy away from transactions altogether. If the secretary were smooth and played rope-a-dope long enough, the whole financial sector would be gone before voters could demand action.



Another diabolical idea would be to significantly increase taxes on whatever firms are still standing. That would require subterfuge, since increasing tax rates would be too obvious. Our Manchurian Candidate would have plenty of sophisticated ideas on changing the rules to get more revenue without increasing rates, such as auctioning off ?permits.?



These steps would create near-term distress. If our Manchurian Candidate leader really wanted to knock the country down for good, he would have to provide insurance against any long-run recovery.



There are two steps to accomplish that.



Discourage Innovation



First, one way the economy might finally take off is for some entrepreneur to invent an amazing new product that launches something on the scale of the dot-com boom. If you want to destroy an economy, you have to persuade those innovators not even to try.



Second, you need to initiate entitlement programs that are difficult to change once enacted. These programs should transfer assets away from productive areas of the economy as efficiently as possible. Ideally, the government will have no choice but to increase taxes sharply in the future to pay for new entitlements.



A leader who pulled off all that might be able to finish off the country.



Let?s see how Obama?s plan compares with our nightmare scenario.



Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has been so slow to act that even liberal economist and commentator Paul Krugman is criticizing the administration for ?dithering.? It has gotten so bad that the Intrade prediction market now has a future on whether Geithner is gone by year?s end. It currently puts the chance of that at about 20 percent.



No More Deferral



On the tax hike, Obama?s proposed 2010 budget quite ominously signaled that he intends to end or significantly amend the U.S. practice of allowing U.S. multinationals to defer U.S. taxes on income that they earn abroad.



Currently, the U.S. has the second-highest corporate tax on Earth. U.S. firms can compete in Europe by opening a subsidiary in a low-tax country and locating the profits there. Since the high U.S. tax applies only when the money is mailed home, and firms can let the money sit abroad for as long as they want, the big disadvantage of the high rate is muted significantly.



End that deferral opportunity and U.S. firms will no longer be able to compete, given their huge tax disadvantage. With foreign tax rates so low now, it is even possible that the end of deferral could lead to the extinction of the U.S. corporation.



If any firms are to remain, they will be festooned with massive carbon-permit expenses because of Obama?s new cap-and- trade program.



Importing Drugs



Obama?s attack on intellectual property is evident in his aggressive stance against U.S. pharmaceutical companies in the budget. He would force drug companies to pay higher ?rebate? fees to Medicaid, and he included wording that suggests Americans will soon be able to import drugs from foreign countries. The stock prices of drug companies, predictably, tanked when his budget plan was released.



Obama will allow cheap and potentially counterfeit substitutes into the country and will set the U.S. price for drugs equal to the lowest price that any foreign government is able to coerce from our drugmakers.



Given this, why would anyone invest money in a risky new cancer trial, or bother inventing some other new thing that the government could expropriate as soon as it decides to?



Finally, Obama has set aside $634 billion to establish a health-reform reserve fund, a major first step in creating a universal health-care system. If you want to have health care for everyone, you have to give it to many people for free. Once we start doing that, we will never stop, at least until the government runs out of money.



It?s clear that President Obama wants the best for our country. That makes it all the more puzzling that he would legislate like a Manchurian Candidate.
 
We all need to read this article authors book too.

Thanks Optimus for your help on directing us to High ly QUALIFIED authors.



Dow 36,000: The New Strategy for Profiting From the Coming Rise in the Stock Market.



<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Dow-36-000-Strategy-Profiting/dp/0609806998">http://www.amazon.com/Dow-36-000-Strategy-Profiting/dp/0609806998</a>



Maybe he ment to say Dow 6000 ?

Hey whats 30,000 Points anyway.
 
[quote author="bltserv" date=1236736970]We all need to read this article authors book too.

Thanks Optimus for your help on directing us to High ly QUALIFIED authors.



Dow 36,000: The New Strategy for Profiting From the Coming Rise in the Stock Market.



<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Dow-36-000-Strategy-Profiting/dp/0609806998">http://www.amazon.com/Dow-36-000-Strategy-Profiting/dp/0609806998</a>



Maybe he ment to say Dow 6000 ?

Hey whats 30,000 Points anyway.</blockquote>


Avoid the topic..okay.
 
Maybe find an Author that`s not writing for Star Trek or Believe it Or Not.

How can you even post garbage like that then want to discuss something

written by a complete idiot. Dow at 36,000 ? How could you quote this guy ?

Your bottom fishing in a big time way.



Optimus.

Time to do some research before you throw your penny in the IHB Politics Fountain.



Post some Limbaugh drug induced vomit at least.
 
[quote author="bltserv" date=1236776124]Maybe find an Author that`s not writing for Star Trek or Believe it Or Not.

How can you even post garbage like that then want to discuss something

written by a complete idiot. Dow at 36,000 ? How could you quote this guy ?

Your bottom fishing in a big time way.



Optimus.

Time to do some research before you throw your penny in the IHB Politics Fountain.



Post some Limbaugh drug induced vomit at least.</blockquote>


Coming from you its pretty funny.



BTW...this is funny too!



<img src="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/pres-bear-main.gif" alt="" />
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1236822974]Correlation is not equal to causation.</blockquote> I agree. The market freefall was written in stone during the housing bubble glory days years ago. Further, the fall was just beginning and unstoppable before he took office. You could have President Santa Claus in office and we'd be in the same mess.
 
If his policies since taking office cuased an upward tick would he not be awarded credit for that?



Take one piece of legislation in the works.. The Mortgage cram down or bankruptcy bill. This will grant federal judges the power to lengthen terms, cut interest rates and reduce mortgage balances of bankrupt homeowners.



I would think this would cause some type of downward tick in an already destablized banking sector.



Consumer confidence may also be low now that our POTUS has agreed to sign an earmark laden bill after promising no more earmarks.



I know the wheels were in motion before Obama took office but to say he had no effect may be a stretch. Just like saying it is all his fault would be a stretch.
 
trrenter.



What was the percentage on those earmarks again ?



410 Billion with 8 Billion in earmarks. Thats 2%

40% of the Earmarks were requested by Republicans. Go Figure ?



<a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/03/12/earmarks/">http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/03/12/earmarks/</a>





"For example, Sen. David Vitter, R-La., voted against the bill, which he called "bloated," even though part of the bloat included $249 million in earmarks he himself had requested. As President Obama noted, "I [find] it ironic that some of those who railed the loudest against this bill because of earmarks actually inserted earmarks of their own -- and will tout them in their own states and districts.?
 
[quote author="trrenter" date=1236894186]If his policies since taking office caused an upward tick would he not be awarded credit for that?</blockquote>


Yes, because getting an upward tick with the mess that he started with would have been the equivalent of Moses parting the Red Sea.
 
[quote author="T!m" date=1236925173][quote author="trrenter" date=1236894186]If his policies since taking office caused an upward tick would he not be awarded credit for that?</blockquote>


Yes, because getting an upward tick with the mess that he started with would have been the equivalent of Moses parting the Red Sea.</blockquote>


So much for the pretenses of Obama as a messianic figure. It's quite obvious that Obama isn't the second coming. Jesus was capable of putting together a cabinet...
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1236925751][quote author="T!m" date=1236925173][quote author="trrenter" date=1236894186]If his policies since taking office caused an upward tick would he not be awarded credit for that?</blockquote>


Yes, because getting an upward tick with the mess that he started with would have been the equivalent of Moses parting the Red Sea.</blockquote>


So much for the pretenses of Obama as a messianic figure. It's quite obvious that Obama isn't the second coming. Jesus was capable of putting together a cabinet...</blockquote>


Yeah, but Jesus didn't make anyone rich. Well, maybe some televangelists. :)



I didn't mean anything specific to Obama. No matter who became POTUS, they weren't getting an upward tick without a miracle.
 
[quote author="bltserv" date=1236918294]trrenter.



What was the percentage on those earmarks again ?



410 Billion with 8 Billion in earmarks. Thats 2%

40% of the Earmarks were requested by Republicans. Go Figure ?



<a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/03/12/earmarks/">http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/03/12/earmarks/</a>





"For example, Sen. David Vitter, R-La., voted against the bill, which he called "bloated," even though part of the bloat included $249 million in earmarks he himself had requested. As President Obama noted, "I [find] it ironic that some of those who railed the loudest against this bill because of earmarks actually inserted earmarks of their own -- and will tout them in their own states and districts.?</blockquote>


Sorry I must have misunderstood what Obama said when he ran for POTUS. I thought he said NO EARMARKS. If Jackass Republicans and Democrats wanted to add earmarks to a bill to test Obamas resolve Obama just failed.



I don't care about the percentage NO Earmarks would be 0%. This is not 0%.
 
[quote author="T!m" date=1236926150][quote author="WINEX" date=1236925751][quote author="T!m" date=1236925173][quote author="trrenter" date=1236894186]If his policies since taking office caused an upward tick would he not be awarded credit for that?</blockquote>


Yes, because getting an upward tick with the mess that he started with would have been the equivalent of Moses parting the Red Sea.</blockquote>


So much for the pretenses of Obama as a messianic figure. It's quite obvious that Obama isn't the second coming. Jesus was capable of putting together a cabinet...</blockquote>


Yeah, but Jesus didn't make anyone rich. Well, maybe some televangelists. :)



I didn't mean anything specific to Obama. No matter who became POTUS, they weren't getting an upward tick without a miracle.</blockquote>


I didn't mean to say it was possible but if it happened I am sure Obama would have received the credit. The other point is there is a possibility that some of his decesions did have SOME effect on the markets going down. Not all of it but there is a possibility that his admistration caused some of the decline since his administration took office.



There has to be a point in which Obama's decesions are no longer given a free pass.
 
After 8 Years of GW we can be a little patient dont you think.

Obama has been in office less than 2 months and your already keeping score

on a daily basis. I sure hope your not a sports fan. Is the season over if you lose

the opening season game ?



Here is GW taking action on 9/11. For some reason the new guy seems a little

more dynamic.



<img src="http://www.bltserv.com/images/911bush.jpg" alt="" />
 
[quote author="trrenter" date=1236983533]

Sorry I must have misunderstood what Obama said when he ran for POTUS. I thought he said NO EARMARKS. If Jackass Republicans and Democrats wanted to add earmarks to a bill to test Obamas resolve Obama just failed.



I don't care about the percentage NO Earmarks would be 0%. This is not 0%.</blockquote>


You certainly did misunderstand him. At no point did he say anything about no more earmarks. He was advocating for earmark reform and ending the secrecy of slipping in earmarks at the very last moment. The closest he has come in stating that he wants to eliminate earmarks is to claim that he wants to cut the "screwy" ones. Most other times he is referring to earmark reform - not their abolition.



"There's no doubt that the system needs reform and there are a lot of screwy things that we end up spending money on, and they need to be eliminated." [Obama, 3rd Presidential Debate]



The problem is arguing what is and isn't a "screwy thing" to spend money on.
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1236991788][quote author="trrenter" date=1236983533]

Sorry I must have misunderstood what Obama said when he ran for POTUS. I thought he said NO EARMARKS. If Jackass Republicans and Democrats wanted to add earmarks to a bill to test Obamas resolve Obama just failed.



I don't care about the percentage NO Earmarks would be 0%. This is not 0%.</blockquote>


You certainly did misunderstand him. At no point did he say anything about no more earmarks. He was advocating for earmark reform and ending the secrecy of slipping in earmarks at the very last moment. The closest he has come in stating that he wants to eliminate earmarks is to claim that he wants to cut the "screwy" ones. Most other times he is referring to earmark reform - not their abolition.



"There's no doubt that the system needs reform and there are a lot of screwy things that we end up spending money on, and they need to be eliminated." [Obama, 3rd Presidential Debate]



The problem is arguing what is and isn't a "screwy thing" to spend money on.</blockquote>


You are right he didn't promise no earmarks. My mistake.



He promised to go through each bill and not sing off on it if it was earmarked laden.



The press has announced he broke his campaign promise and to that it may have effected the market on the downside.



His rhetoric on the campaign trail regarding earmarks did not match what just happened.
 
[quote author="trrenter" date=1236997113][quote author="green_cactus" date=1236991788][quote author="trrenter" date=1236983533]

Sorry I must have misunderstood what Obama said when he ran for POTUS. I thought he said NO EARMARKS. If Jackass Republicans and Democrats wanted to add earmarks to a bill to test Obamas resolve Obama just failed.



I don't care about the percentage NO Earmarks would be 0%. This is not 0%.</blockquote>


You certainly did misunderstand him. At no point did he say anything about no more earmarks. He was advocating for earmark reform and ending the secrecy of slipping in earmarks at the very last moment. The closest he has come in stating that he wants to eliminate earmarks is to claim that he wants to cut the "screwy" ones. Most other times he is referring to earmark reform - not their abolition.



"There's no doubt that the system needs reform and there are a lot of screwy things that we end up spending money on, and they need to be eliminated." [Obama, 3rd Presidential Debate]



The problem is arguing what is and isn't a "screwy thing" to spend money on.</blockquote>


You are right he didn't promise no earmarks. My mistake.



He promised to go through each bill and not sing off on it if it was earmarked laden.



The press has announced he broke his campaign promise and to that it may have effected the market on the downside.



His rhetoric on the campaign trail regarding earmarks did not match what just happened.</blockquote>


During the 2nd presidential debate Obama said:



"Sen. McCain likes to talk about earmarks a lot. And that's important. I want to go line by line through every item in the federal budget and eliminate programs that don't work and make sure that those that do work, work better and cheaper."



Again, not quite the same thing that the media is touting as "Obama has lied to us" ...
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1237011973][quote author="trrenter" date=1236997113][quote author="green_cactus" date=1236991788][quote author="trrenter" date=1236983533]

Sorry I must have misunderstood what Obama said when he ran for POTUS. I thought he said NO EARMARKS. If Jackass Republicans and Democrats wanted to add earmarks to a bill to test Obamas resolve Obama just failed.



I don't care about the percentage NO Earmarks would be 0%. This is not 0%.</blockquote>


You certainly did misunderstand him. At no point did he say anything about no more earmarks. He was advocating for earmark reform and ending the secrecy of slipping in earmarks at the very last moment. The closest he has come in stating that he wants to eliminate earmarks is to claim that he wants to cut the "screwy" ones. Most other times he is referring to earmark reform - not their abolition.



"There's no doubt that the system needs reform and there are a lot of screwy things that we end up spending money on, and they need to be eliminated." [Obama, 3rd Presidential Debate]



The problem is arguing what is and isn't a "screwy thing" to spend money on.</blockquote>


You are right he didn't promise no earmarks. My mistake.



He promised to go through each bill and not sing off on it if it was earmarked laden.



The press has announced he broke his campaign promise and to that it may have effected the market on the downside.



His rhetoric on the campaign trail regarding earmarks did not match what just happened.</blockquote>


During the 2nd presidential debate Obama said:



"Sen. McCain likes to talk about earmarks a lot. And that's important. I want to go line by line through every item in the federal budget and eliminate programs that don't work and make sure that those that do work, work better and cheaper."



Again, not quite the same thing that the media is touting as "Obama has lied to us" ...</blockquote>


So we get caught up in the semantics. Obama talked a tough game on Earmarks and signed a bill laden with them.



<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090311/pl_mcclatchy/3186392">Another article</a>



Notable among them are $155.9 million worth of projects that six members of the Obama administration who were members of Congress last year, when the bill was originally written, inserted into the bill.



Top among them was Vice President Joe Biden . As a senator from Delaware , Biden added 56 earmarks that cost a total of $52.1 million , including $13.7 million for the Intracoastal Waterway from the Delaware River to the Chesapeake Bay and $190,000 to help build a children's museum in Wilmington .



So instead of arguing Obama's exact verbiage can we say that if the American People that voted for him believed things would be different and then they saw this they may be thinking "same old same old"



Which could have some downward effect on the market. No confidence there will be the Change he ran on.



In other words this could have had some effect.
 
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