Obama?s Speech

I really liked his comment about indivudual responsibilty and mutual responsibility. But his calling out of McCain is ringing a little hollow.
 
I'm getting tired of all the propaganda both the guys are spewing.. at this point, they're just saying anything to make everyone happy.
 
He mentioned the economy first, which I suppose means that he gets

what a mess we are in.



He also pointed out points of compromise, which I sure would like

instead of bickering.



And he mentioned nuclear plants, which I think are necessary.



And it was a bullish speech, which is good, I get tired of all the bearishness,

and a politician can't be bearish anyway.



He mentioned his mom fighting health insurance companies, while she

was sick with cancer. Sounds like he is in touch with actual people's

problems.



Just where he's gonna get the money for all the spending is, of course,

left unsaid.
 
Well, of course, I appreciated the "gay" inclusion.... woo hoo !



I did get goosebumps once and enjoyed the speech.



"This is not about me, it's about you". Best line of the night.
 
I think he came across very well and had some great energy.

So nice to hear someone that has his feet on the ground and

made it to this level on his own.

Great speech.

Time for the future.
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1220003302]I really liked his comment about individual responsibility and mutual responsibility.</blockquote>


This kicked a$$



<blockquote>But his calling out of McCain is ringing a little hollow.</blockquote>


Ummmmm.... this is called politics. It will go both ways. It will be nasty until November.
 
I was very impressed - and I normally hate political speeches, even ones I agree with. I have never seen a better acceptance speech. He connected strong and extensive policy proposals and sharp but not vicious attacks on McCain to a base of common American values. He talked about every hotbutton issue in American politics - guns, gays, abortions, tax increases, and Iraq - without being offensive (or so it seemed to me - I agree more or less with him on all those issues so perhaps I'm not the best judge.) And he sounded like a real leader and fighter. It wasn't a typical Obama speech at all - much more specific and policy-oriented, and extremely direct - but the changes were very good for an acceptance speech. And the theatrics (stadium crowd, staging, fireworks) backed it all up well. The Republicans sounded shellshocked and I don't blame them. Actually I think everybody was shellshocked, because nobody was expecting this. It's just that Democrats were shellshocked and happy.



This is a very hard act for McCain to follow. In 2000, he would have been the right guy to present a similar policy platform from the center-right but his flipflopping over the past few years has damaged his credibility. Hitting the note of aggressive attack without sounding mean is just tough for anybody. And he's just not a great speaker, and he can't get the setting on short notice.
 
McC is gonna have to come of as very high energy to overcome the

wrinkly white guy image. Can he do it? And didn't the Reps know that

he was going to do the stadium thing ahead of time so the could imitate

it?



McC has allowed himself to go from being truly charming to looking like

he has a stick up his a$$, like Gore and Kerry before him. Gore would've

won, if he hadn't been so stiff.
 
Liz, I disagree with your assessment.



Expectations and deliveries both need to be considered.



Expectations for the oratory quality of Obama's speech prior to the delivery were high. Expectations for McCain are low.



Regardless of how he performed, it would be difficult for Obama to exceed expectations.



McCain only has to "not suck" to beat his expectations going in. (Think back to opinions before and after Saddleback to understand what I am saying here)



There is much more potential upside for McCain than there was for Obama.



As for the stadium thing, I think the whole Greek temple (or was it Roman?) plays well into the "world's biggest celebrity" thing that McCain has used to his advantage. Why on earth would the Republicans want to imitate that which can be exploited so easily?
 
The Greeks had many excellent outdoor theatres, often built into hillsides,

some still in use today, after 25 centuries. The plays, of course are classics,

and also performed today in translation.



The Romans used the Greek theatres where they were and built some themselves.

Their plays are never performed today. Really bad.



I think the celeb thing will strike only a glancing blow.



I think the diff will be the energy and eagerness thing.
 
Energy is definitely an issue. And you can tell that Obama is starting to worry about energy. Otherwise he wouldn't have reversed his opinion about nuclear energy last night.



Taxes matter too, and Obambi's plan is a disaster waiting to happen.



I guess my humor is a little too subtle at times. I suggested Roman influence in deference to the Roman Empire parallels, not the architecture as compared to the stage used last night. On an interesting side note, the designer who was behind the stage last night also did the stage for Britney Spear's last concert. When asked who was the pickier client, he responded "I better not answer that question".
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1220046006] ... I think the whole Greek temple (or was it Roman?) plays well into the "world's biggest celebrity" thing that McCain has used to his advantage. Why on earth would the Republicans want to imitate that which can be exploited so easily?</blockquote>


Because they don't want a reprise of their 2004 convention? <a href="http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/bush_hearts_greek_columns.php">Linky.</a>



<img src="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/2008-08-27_bush_fake_columns.jpg" alt="" />
 
The backdrop to Obama's acceptance speech at Invesco Field last night was widely described as a Greek temple. Some have compared it to the Lincoln Memorial, a secular temple, before which Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. gave his famous "I Have a Dream" speech, whose 45th anniversary coincided with the convention. Others saw architectural allusions to the White House.



Actually, the Denver setting was a loose (and much smaller) version of the neoclassical colonnade in Chicago's Soldier Field. That structure, part of an athletic stadium designed in 1919 by Holabird & Roche, commemorated World War I soldiers, hence the name. So the symbolic messages of the much-maligned Temple of Obama are not only "Lincoln," "Martin Luther King," and "White House," but also "Chicago," "war memorial" and "ancient Greece: birthplace of democracy."



<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2198893/">http://www.slate.com/id/2198893/</a>
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1220046006]Expectations for McCain are low.</blockquote>


Expectations for Bush were low also. He still managed to perform under them.
 
[quote author="HB Bear, Too" date=1220057798][quote author="WINEX" date=1220046006]"Expectations for McCain are low..."</blockquote>


Welcome to my world.</blockquote>


Try Real Estate.
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1220009435]Well, of course, I appreciated the "gay" inclusion.... woo hoo !



I did get goosebumps once and enjoyed the speech.



"This is not about me, it's about you". Best line of the night.</blockquote>


sure it is....it is about "what I should say according to the poll"...oh ya, I guess he can't decide on many things because they are "above his paygrade"...
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1220080488]And Palin isn't "who should I pick according to the poll?" Give me a break.</blockquote>


Let's assume me that will give you that one...that will make them ALL the same...



so let's don't pretend one is on a higher ground then the other one, ok?



unless you have checked what has been accomplished under her, you shouldn't say she can't do as good a job obama can do. I like to debate facts, nothing but the facts....so why don't you start by educating me the long list of things Obama has fight to get accomplished? I will help you start: he did defeat Hillary by a very very narrow margin; and I will count that Sara defeated a strong established governor in a general election in Alaska.
 
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