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[luckyguy]

Indie, I get that you're a troll, but at least pick one side and stick with it rather than flip-flopping back and forth.

You were taking NonFcb to task for "slandering" USC. Now you are the one trying to pick out his faults about how he could be "untouchable." Which is it. Defend him or don't. You pick.

Agreed. Having poor credit - which we can not confirm he has - would make him a terrible candidate for heading up a venture capital fund in West Africa. Happy now? Thankfully all of this is taking place in an alternate universe that does not apply to USC. He's just a realtor in Irvine. Glad we got that settled.

Isn't the issue one in the same? If what NonFCB is saying is untrue, then it's hurting USCtrojan's credit worthiness to potential business partners/associates/investors, therefore making him untouchable.

You think of these things as not important because you fill out a W2 or maybe a 1099, but running a profitable business with potential for growth requires that you have credit worthiness, and that people know it.

Just need to clarify. I didn't say anything about USCtrojan. I was just doing a Google research.

 

[usctrojancpa]

Indie, I get that you're a troll, but at least pick one side and stick with it rather than flip-flopping back and forth.

You were taking NonFcb to task for "slandering" USC. Now you are the one trying to pick out his faults about how he could be "untouchable." Which is it. Defend him or don't. You pick.

Agreed. Having poor credit - which we can not confirm he has - would make him a terrible candidate for heading up a venture capital fund in West Africa. Happy now? Thankfully all of this is taking place in an alternate universe that does not apply to USC. He's just a realtor in Irvine. Glad we got that settled.

Isn't the issue one in the same? If what NonFCB is saying is untrue, then it's hurting USCtrojan's credit worthiness to potential business partners/associates/investors, therefore making him untouchable.

You think of these things as not important because you fill out a W2 or maybe a 1099, but running a profitable business with potential for growth requires that you have credit worthiness, and that people know it.

The answer to this is simple. His credit worthiness can be legitimately verified through a credit check. A serious, potential business partner does not rely only on the heresay of message board highschool gossip. Your credit worthiness is not defined by what an anonymous soul on a board says you have but how your Fico and other data reads.

I almost feel like starting a thread with a poll to see if the masses of IT would like for me to post up my FICO scores.  I so happen to have them handy since I applied to PedFed for my car loan recently. 

 

[venkat]

Funnier post of the day!

Dude, do you ever admit it when you're wrong?

Are you talking to yourself?

Funniest post of the day!

Okay I give up. IHO officially hates me over the internet. 

Hey... I know you like to put words in my mouth... but I don't hate anyone.

Do you feel better now? Or do you need a hug? No financial benefit in that though.

 

[IndieDev]

The answer to this is simple. His credit worthiness can be legitimately verified through a credit check. A serious, potential business partner does not rely only on the heresay of message board highschool gossip.

Right. Let me paint a "realistic picture" for you of how things can play out through word of mouth instead of your strawberry shortcake story.

Imagine you are a small business owner invited to a Defense Industry Conference. By chance you offer IT services and are granted a one on one with a contracts specialist with the DOD. You give your 30 second elevator pitch, they know you're GSA schedule, you hand over marketing materials, and shake hands.

The contracts specialist does a background check on you which includes a web search of your personal identity (fact). Your name comes up on a random message board where someone claims they had a bad business deal with you in Vegas. In fact, it's found on multiple message boards because someone has posted it all over the net (whether true or not). This isn't reported on your Equifax/Transunion/etc report because it was a personal deal done with non-enforcible contracts, or no contracts at all. Guess what? Your chances of landing that IT contract are zero to nil.

 

[IndieDev]

Indie, I get that you're a troll, but at least pick one side and stick with it rather than flip-flopping back and forth.

You were taking NonFcb to task for "slandering" USC. Now you are the one trying to pick out his faults about how he could be "untouchable." Which is it. Defend him or don't. You pick.

Agreed. Having poor credit - which we can not confirm he has - would make him a terrible candidate for heading up a venture capital fund in West Africa. Happy now? Thankfully all of this is taking place in an alternate universe that does not apply to USC. He's just a realtor in Irvine. Glad we got that settled.

Isn't the issue one in the same? If what NonFCB is saying is untrue, then it's hurting USCtrojan's credit worthiness to potential business partners/associates/investors, therefore making him untouchable.

You think of these things as not important because you fill out a W2 or maybe a 1099, but running a profitable business with potential for growth requires that you have credit worthiness, and that people know it.

The answer to this is simple. His credit worthiness can be legitimately verified through a credit check. A serious, potential business partner does not rely only on the heresay of message board highschool gossip. Your credit worthiness is not defined by what an anonymous soul on a board says you have but how your Fico and other data reads.

I'm sure Madoff had excellent FICO scores....

I think Flybuy should pack it in. This post just ruined his perception of credit worthiness.

 

[venkat]

Are you going to bet or not?

 

[usctrojancpa]

Indie, I get that you're a troll, but at least pick one side and stick with it rather than flip-flopping back and forth.

You were taking NonFcb to task for "slandering" USC. Now you are the one trying to pick out his faults about how he could be "untouchable." Which is it. Defend him or don't. You pick.

Agreed. Having poor credit - which we can not confirm he has - would make him a terrible candidate for heading up a venture capital fund in West Africa. Happy now? Thankfully all of this is taking place in an alternate universe that does not apply to USC. He's just a realtor in Irvine. Glad we got that settled.

Isn't the issue one in the same? If what NonFCB is saying is untrue, then it's hurting USCtrojan's credit worthiness to potential business partners/associates/investors, therefore making him untouchable.

You think of these things as not important because you fill out a W2 or maybe a 1099, but running a profitable business with potential for growth requires that you have credit worthiness, and that people know it.

The answer to this is simple. His credit worthiness can be legitimately verified through a credit check. A serious, potential business partner does not rely only on the heresay of message board highschool gossip. Your credit worthiness is not defined by what an anonymous soul on a board says you have but how your Fico and other data reads.

I'm sure Madoff had excellent FICO scores....

Big difference between someone like Madoff and me is that I GIVE BACK to my clients and don't ask them to give anything.  My parents taught me 2 very important things in life (besides many others)...1. Your word has to be as good as gold and 2. Don't be greedy because being fair will get you further ahead in life.

 

[IndieDev]

I can't believe flybuy is actually trying to argue that "word of mouth" isn't used as a valid way to evaluate potential business associates/clients/partners.

But then again this is TalkIrvine, the land of unicorns and gold stucco houses. Everything here is "special".

 

[usctrojancpa]

Indie, I get that you're a troll, but at least pick one side and stick with it rather than flip-flopping back and forth.

You were taking NonFcb to task for "slandering" USC. Now you are the one trying to pick out his faults about how he could be "untouchable." Which is it. Defend him or don't. You pick.

Agreed. Having poor credit - which we can not confirm he has - would make him a terrible candidate for heading up a venture capital fund in West Africa. Happy now? Thankfully all of this is taking place in an alternate universe that does not apply to USC. He's just a realtor in Irvine. Glad we got that settled.

Isn't the issue one in the same? If what NonFCB is saying is untrue, then it's hurting USCtrojan's credit worthiness to potential business partners/associates/investors, therefore making him untouchable.

You think of these things as not important because you fill out a W2 or maybe a 1099, but running a profitable business with potential for growth requires that you have credit worthiness, and that people know it.

The answer to this is simple. His credit worthiness can be legitimately verified through a credit check. A serious, potential business partner does not rely only on the heresay of message board highschool gossip. Your credit worthiness is not defined by what an anonymous soul on a board says you have but how your Fico and other data reads.

I'm sure Madoff had excellent FICO scores....

Big difference between someone like Madoff and me is that I GIVE BACK to my clients and don't ask them to give anything.  My parents taught me 2 very important things in life (besides many others)...1. Your word has to be as good as gold and 2. Don't be greedy because being fair will get you further ahead in life.

Dude - why is everything about you.  I was just merely commenting that Madoff probably had excellent FICO scores because he robbed peter to pay paul.  How that is directly related to you, your parents and your upbringing is puzzling...

Just nipping in the booty any chance you were thinking of inferring a similarity to him.  You sure do seem to start posting in threads whenever something negative is said about me.  I guess that means we'll never be friends, huh?     

 

[flybuy]

I can't believe flybuy is actually trying to argue that "word of mouth" isn't used as a valid way to evaluate potential business associates/clients/partners.

But then again this is TalkIrvine, the land of unicorns and gold stucco houses. Everything here is "special".

That is not at all what I'm trying to "argue". My initial comment was that for me, I take it into consideration but I do my own thinking. For me , a trivial remark exploring options on how to potentially settle finances, has zilch to do with how good of a realtor someone is. You are entitled to your own opinion. I do not endorse malicious intent however if someone feels they were genuinely wronged and want to warn others, then more power to them. In this case, most of us are wise enough to take what we read with a grain of salt.

 

[usctrojancpa]

I can't believe flybuy is actually trying to argue that "word of mouth" isn't used as a valid way to evaluate potential business associates/clients/partners.

But then again this is TalkIrvine, the land of unicorns and gold stucco houses. Everything here is "special".

That is not at all what I'm trying to "argue". My initial comment was that for me, I take it into consideration but I do my own thinking. For me , a trivial remark exploring options on how to potentially settle finances, has zilch to do with how good of a realtor someone is. You are entitled to your own opinion. I do not endorse malicious intent however if someone feels they were genuinely wronged and want to warn others, then more power to them. In this case, most of us are wise enough to take what we read with a grain of salt.

Hence why talk is cheap and actions will always speak the loudest. 

 

[venkat]

How do you people get time (thats in work hours) to read and post so many times?

I understand some are in this website to generate sales leads, but for others - getting paid for posting in TI? Is this one of the reasons - jobs are moving offshore?  :'( If thats the case, how can we fill US deficit? 

 

[IndieDev]

I can't believe flybuy is actually trying to argue that "word of mouth" isn't used as a valid way to evaluate potential business associates/clients/partners.

But then again this is TalkIrvine, the land of unicorns and gold stucco houses. Everything here is "special".

That is not at all what I'm trying to "argue". My initial comment was that for me, I take it into consideration but I do my own thinking.

No, that's not what you said. It may have been what you were trying to say, but you didn't. You said:

A serious, potential business partner does not rely only on the heresay of message board highschool gossip.

You don't consider the DOD a serious entity when it comes to doing business? Because they routinely do internet searches on individuals they have contracts with as a way to check their worthiness as a partner in business.

In fact private industry now regularly searches information on potential employees before hire:http://www.corpmagazine.com/managem...using-the-internet-to-vet-potential-employees

You're simply wrong that things posted on a message board using someone's personal identity can't be harmful to them. Just own up to it instead of trying to deny and weasel your way out of it.

 

[usctrojancpa]

Ok everyone, let's take a big deal breathe and hug it out.  Doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong, let's just all get along please.  After all it's Friday! 

 

[flybuy]

I can't believe flybuy is actually trying to argue that "word of mouth" isn't used as a valid way to evaluate potential business associates/clients/partners.

But then again this is TalkIrvine, the land of unicorns and gold stucco houses. Everything here is "special".

That is not at all what I'm trying to "argue". My initial comment was that for me, I take it into consideration but I do my own thinking.

No, that's not what you said. It may have been what you were trying to say, but you didn't. You said:

A serious, potential business partner does not rely only on the heresay of message board highschool gossip.

You don't consider the DOD a serious entity when it comes to doing business? Because they routinely do internet searches on individuals they have contracts with as a way to check their worthiness as a partner in business.

In fact private industry now regularly searches information on potential employees before hire:http://www.corpmagazine.com/managem...using-the-internet-to-vet-potential-employees

You're simply wrong that things posted on a message board using someone's personal identity can't be harmful to them. Just own up to it instead of trying to deny and weasel your way out of it.

Read again. I said my "initial" comment. This one:http://www.talkirvine.com/index.php?topic=1590.msg21476#msg21476
What you are reading is not my initial comment. Initial means "first". Did you know that? My first comment on the topic of NonFcb's post. What is hard to understand about that? I'll say it again. Read closely this time. I considered it. I do believe it is him. I do not care that it is. Now. Are you going to try and tell me how I feel like you've done earlier in this thread with IHO? If so, let me know now.

We can have our opinions but ultimately, it is not up to us. If USC wants to take legal action, let a judge in a court of law decide that.

 

[usctrojancpa]

Just nipping in the booty any chance you were thinking of inferring a similarity to him.  You sure do seem to start posting in threads whenever something negative is said about me.  I guess that means we'll never be friends, huh?     

Man - you sure like a preemptive strike.  I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you didn't preemptively "publish" your private PM, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.  But it sure is making my Friday go by quicker!

The entertaiment value of this thread is definitely high, but it's time to give it a rest and focus on real estate as we've gone off on a detour. 

 

[flybuy]

Just nipping in the booty any chance you were thinking of inferring a similarity to him.  You sure do seem to start posting in threads whenever something negative is said about me.  I guess that means we'll never be friends, huh?     

Man - you sure like a preemptive strike.  I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you didn't preemptively "publish" your private PM, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.  But it sure is making my Friday go by quicker!

The entertaiment value of this thread is definitely high, but it's time to give it a rest and focus on real estate as we've gone off on a detour.

Agreed. There is nothing new that can be said. Back to the property in question. 

 

[davenlei]

Aw man.  Looks like the thread train has derailed.  The talk of completing the bet is nowhere to be found in the past few pages.

I leave to get some work done for a few hours and WOW, came back and had to read several pages to catch up.

 

[IndieDev]

Read again. I said my "initial" comment.

Oh now it's the order of your post that matters now.  :

Okay let's talk about your initial post, you said:

Who cares if it is or is not him. I like USC but I DO believe it is him.  Like I said, though, I don't care if it is. What relevance does it have if it is him? All it says is that he's discussing ways to restructure debt. Big deal. None of it matters to me. I've had credit card debt. We all do. This is America. Does that mean someone is not qualified to do a job? Ha! Try again. Whether it is or is not, it does not negatively affect his image so it is not slander or libel. Keep your head up, USC.

You claimed that it doesn't mean someone is not qualified to do a job. Umm, yes it does. As I showed in my last post, some government agencies do internet searches to make sure the people they are doing business with are legit. Private companies do internet searches on potential employees. If some bad mojo comes associated with someone's personal identity, how does it not hurt them whether they are doing business, or finding a job?

Whether it's your "initial post", or your last post, your theory about internet information not hurting individuals prospects in business or job hunting is wrong, and you're simply too stubborn to admit you are wrong. You're pettifogging the issue because I'm calling you on your BS.

 

[usctrojancpa]

Just nipping in the booty any chance you were thinking of inferring a similarity to him.  You sure do seem to start posting in threads whenever something negative is said about me.  I guess that means we'll never be friends, huh?     

Man - you sure like a preemptive strike.  I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you didn't preemptively "publish" your private PM, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.  But it sure is making my Friday go by quicker!

The entertaiment value of this thread is definitely high, but it's time to give it a rest and focus on real estate as we've gone off on a detour.

Agreed. There is nothing new that can be said. Back to the property in question. 

And most importantly the bet.