North Tustin/Santa Ana

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bkshopr said:
The things that you mentioned are the things that make beautiful communities.
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Are you talking about no sidewalks? How can I appreciate a community if I can't even walk around to look at it?

If you want to talk about function then I will give you one. No parking along the curb side is the primary tactic in discouraging burglary. The lots are large enough to provide guest parking so why need to park outside the premise.
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Those lots are either larger than they look or they have reallly small parties. Even just a small get together of my closest relatives would be about 4-8 cars... and if it's a party... well... let's just say that one of the parties at Crawford Canyon, they had to hire valets.

Funny though, some of those redone homes in North Tustin look like parking structures instead of homes... I guess I should like that.
 
bkshopr said:
Here is my list of well sought after communities not dominated by garages. They represent the upper housing price strata in California.

San Marino

Hancock Park

Bel Air

Palisade

90210

Cheviot Hills

Belmont Heights

Bixby knoll

Floral Park

Balboa Island

Rolling Hills

Palos Verdes

La Fayette Park

Carthay Circle

Los Feliz

La Canada Flintridge

Oak Knoll

Arcadia

Orange Grove

Arroyo Seco

Rancho Santa Fe

Kensington Park

Coronado

Claremont

Montecito

Hope Ranch

Piedmont

Palo Altos

Atherton

Hillsborough

Los Gatos

Saint Francis Wood

Rose Garden, San Jose

Moraga

Carmel

Monterey

The last time I checked shoppers are attracted to Irvine for the schools and safety and not frontal garages. Irvine’s zoning and business hour ordinances which forbid adult oriented businesses and blue collar businesses eliminate the potential of crimes.
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I applaud those who are willing to act as custodians of history with respect to home purchases. It is important for a society to preserve its past in order to maintain its identity. I note that most of the communities you list have always been affluent and that may explain their longevity as much as architecture. My cousin who owns an architecture firm lives in Berkeley hills and I would add that community to your list. She bought her vintage home from a 80 yr old lady who lived there her entire life and only sold it to my cousin because she promised to preserve the character of the property. However, not everyone has the economic or professional resources for such an undertaking. My cousin has connections in the trade that make it easy for her to properly discharge her responsibility to the neighborhood. Most people do not have such resources. Some people's interests lie in areas other than architecture and for them, a home does not need to outlast the needs of the current occupants.
 
High Gravity said:
bkshopr said:
Here is my list of well sought after communities not dominated by garages. They represent the upper housing price strata in California.

San Marino

Hancock Park

Bel Air

Palisade

90210

Cheviot Hills

Belmont Heights

Bixby knoll

Floral Park

Balboa Island

Rolling Hills

Palos Verdes

La Fayette Park

Carthay Circle

Los Feliz

La Canada Flintridge

Oak Knoll

Arcadia

Orange Grove

Arroyo Seco

Rancho Santa Fe

Kensington Park

Coronado

Claremont

Montecito

Hope Ranch

Piedmont

Palo Altos

Atherton

Hillsborough

Los Gatos

Saint Francis Wood

Rose Garden, San Jose

Moraga

Carmel

Monterey

The last time I checked shoppers are attracted to Irvine for the schools and safety and not frontal garages. Irvine’s zoning and business hour ordinances which forbid adult oriented businesses and blue collar businesses eliminate the potential of crimes.
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I applaud those who are willing to act as custodians of history with respect to home purchases. It is important for a society to preserve its past in order to maintain its identity. I note that most of the communities you list have always been affluent and that may explain their longevity as much as architecture. My cousin who owns an architecture firm lives in Berkeley hills and I would add that community to your list. She bought her vintage home from a 80 yr old lady who lived there her entire life and only sold it to my cousin because she promised to preserve the character of the property. However, not everyone has the economic or professional resources for such an undertaking. My cousin has connections in the trade that make it easy for her to properly discharge her responsibility to the neighborhood. Most people do not have such resources. Some people's interests lie in areas other than architecture and for them, a home does not need to outlast the needs of the current occupants.
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Nice place.

I can't add that to my list. Berkeley Hills has a lot of topography that forced the garage to bunker the grades and the homes were built above the garages. Because of land formation the community is garage fronting so I can't add it to my list where the garages are in the subordinate position.

I was going to list it but chose to leave it out due to technicality.

Why do you think affluents are attracted there in the first place?

Mt Olympus and Ocean Ranch are also affluent but not classic and timeless.
 
irvine_home_owner said:
About the North Tustin Foothills area (I still don't know what to call that place)... the no sidewalk thing is a big turnoff for me. Having younger kids, we enjoy taking them out on their bikes to ride around the neighborhood and that is impossible in that area. In addition, guest parking is ATROCIOUS.
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My turn to toss a brick through IHO's window!

The points you just made are valid - and EXACTLY why I want to move to the North Tustin area. The lack of sidewalks deter families with children. Children who trash my wife's flowerbeds, and then I get to hear about it.

I just turned into the mean old man before my very eyes......
 
bkshopr said:
Why do you think affluents are attracted there in the first place?

Mt Olympus and Ocean Ranch are also affluent but not classic and timeless.
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I think affluents like to cluster around other affluents, they like privacy, and to be able to express their individuality.

Mt. Olympus is as classic and timeless as it gets:

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no_vaseline said:
irvine_home_owner said:
About the North Tustin Foothills area (I still don't know what to call that place)... the no sidewalk thing is a big turnoff for me. Having younger kids, we enjoy taking them out on their bikes to ride around the neighborhood and that is impossible in that area. In addition, guest parking is ATROCIOUS.
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My turn to toss a brick through IHO's window!

The points you just made are valid - and EXACTLY why I want to move to the North Tustin area. The lack of sidewalks deter families with children. Children who trash my wife's flowerbeds, and then I get to hear about it.

I just turned into the mean old man before my very eyes......
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See... this works out perfectly. Keep the kids away from the mean old man... and keep the mean old man up in North Unincorporated Hills (man... what is the correct name for that place?).

BTW: If there were sidewalks, my kids would be walking on them... not your wife's flowerbeds.
 
ABC123 said:
Nice homes in nice areas with a garage...
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None of the homes you posted are older than approx 40 years, and most only 20-30, which I think sort of proves BK's point. Those homes with frontal garages have not proved much in the way of longevity, whereas the ones he profiled are older and have stood the test of time.
 
SoCal78 said:
ABC123 said:
Nice homes in nice areas with a garage...
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None of the homes you posted are older than approx 40 years, and most only 20-30, which I think sort of proves BK's point. Those homes with frontal garages have not proved much in the way of longevity, whereas the ones he profiled are older and have stood the test of time.
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SoCal,

You made me proud!!! Architect and Craftsman in the last 60 years lost the artistry in their profession. It is just recently there is a revival of the good housing form.

Here is a link to an architect who designed great houses for the last 40 years. Few can match his skill. His homes put ABC's list to shame. www.ramsa.com/projectslist.aspx?cat=1

His smaller homes not featured on his site are just as impressive.

Look at his Villanova production home project and see how he handled the curse.
 
SoCal78 said:
ABC123 said:
Nice homes in nice areas with a garage...
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None of the homes you posted are older than approx 40 years, and most only 20-30, which I think sort of proves BK's point. Those homes with frontal garages have not proved much in the way of longevity, whereas the ones he profiled are older and have stood the test of time.
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Why would older homes have a garage when most people didn't have cars before the 1960's? or maybe they did. I heard back in the day Southern California was equipped with electric street cars as a mode of transportation.
 
ABC123 said:
SoCal78 said:
ABC123 said:
Nice homes in nice areas with a garage...
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None of the homes you posted are older than approx 40 years, and most only 20-30, which I think sort of proves BK's point. Those homes with frontal garages have not proved much in the way of longevity, whereas the ones he profiled are older and have stood the test of time.
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Why would older homes have a garage when most people didn't have cars before the 1960's? or maybe they did. I heard back in the day Southern California was equipped with electric street cars as a mode of transportation.
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Every family had a car by WWII. Car was invented in 1895 and mass produced during the late 20's.

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Traffic jam in Downtown LA 1920's. 4th and Broadway at the base of Bunker Hill.
 
bkshopr said:
ABC123 said:
SoCal78 said:
ABC123 said:
Nice homes in nice areas with a garage...
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None of the homes you posted are older than approx 40 years, and most only 20-30, which I think sort of proves BK's point. Those homes with frontal garages have not proved much in the way of longevity, whereas the ones he profiled are older and have stood the test of time.
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Why would older homes have a garage when most people didn't have cars before the 1960's? or maybe they did. I heard back in the day Southern California was equipped with electric street cars as a mode of transportation.
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Every family had a car by WWII. Car was invented in 1895 and mass produced during the late 20's.

Traffic jam in Downtown LA 1920's. 4th and Broadway at the base of Bunker Hill.
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Tell that to my both sets of my carless grandparents.

(but in all fairness they lived in san francisco & berkeley)
 
SoCal78 said:
None of the homes you posted are older than approx 40 years, and most only 20-30, which I think sort of proves BK's point. Those homes with frontal garages have not proved much in the way of longevity, whereas the ones he profiled are older and have stood the test of time.
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That's not fair... that's like saying your 5 year old car is more reliable than my brand new one because I haven't had it for 5 years.

Let's revisit this thread in 20 years and we'll see if those homes are still around (that is if California hasn't sunk into the Pacific).
 
ABC123 said:
Arcadia - 1948

La Canada - 1938

Bel Air - 1950

Encino 1950

Studio City - 1937

Shermon Oaks - 1959

Valley Village - 1951

Taluca Lake - 1936

Studio City - 1937

Fullerton - 1954

Hermosa Beach - 1954
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Most of the houses were remodeled over the years. Look at Taluca Lake 1936. I love that steel sectional doors. I think Madonna1980 is very familiar with that area and is this house a true representative of the infamous area where Bob Hope made his home.

Here are some true representatives:

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I just performed a small experiment. I gave my 5 year old a pen and paper and requested that he draw me a house... any house at all... just what he thinks a house does, or should, look like. Here is the result:

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I asked him where the garage is. I kid you not, he said, "It's in the back - behind the house."

Today after I picked him up from school we went for another drive through W Irvine, so I totally expected him to draw a garage at the front since that is what he's accustomed to seeing. I think that somehow the iconic image of a home never includes a garage.
 
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