New Homes in Woodbury East and Woodbury

Okay everybody. How about those new homes in Woodbury Montecito by Brookfield homes. What size are the lots and when are they going up for sale?
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1255586244]I would have mistaken this in VOC. A spanish version would look just like Northwood Pointe and Westpark. Granite countertop and wood flooring are up to par with the Irvine spec level.</blockquote>
Same here... except for the 3CWG.



Man... $349k for an almost 4000sft 4 year old house with a 3-car wide garage... very tempting.



Not. But maybe if we become a 1-income household... neh... I just can't live in the IE.
 
The only info avail at the moment are small press releases (that I've seen). There's nothing on the the Villages of Irvine website. 2 and 3 bdroom SFR up to 2743 sq ft puts it in a category similar to CalPac's Portisol.
 
<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/52-Winding-Way-92620/home/5959050">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/52-Winding-Way-92620/home/5959050</a>



This 4bd/5ba Villa Rosa, 3400 sq ft. Larger because downstairs bedroom extended - most other VR around 3000-3100 sq ft. I have been through many this same house and its twins in other neighborhoods. For the life of me, I can't figure out where all that 3000+ sq ft goes. It doesn't feel like a house of that size.



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Santa-Ana/19611-Country-Haven-Ln-92705/home/4434508">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Santa-Ana/19611-Country-Haven-Ln-92705/home/4434508</a>



Here's a 5bd/3ba home in North Tustin, 2600 sq ft. Split levels may not be everyone's cup of tea. I find it kind of charming though. BK might not approve of the living space above the garage. Hey, 3CG to boot!



Now these Montecito homes are ranging from up 2700 sq ft with the max bedrooms of only 3?



BK, where does all that extra space in newer homes end up? I can't imagine that bigger master baths, walk-in closets, and a powder room can account for all that but maybe the math does add up. I guess newer homes also have a laundry room which in older homes might be in the garage.
 
[quote author="acpme" date=1255590331]<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/52-Winding-Way-92620/home/5959050">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/52-Winding-Way-92620/home/5959050</a>



This 4bd/5ba Villa Rosa, 3400 sq ft. Larger because downstairs bedroom extended - most other VR around 3000-3100 sq ft. I have been through many this same house and its twins in other neighborhoods. For the life of me, I can't figure out where all that 3000+ sq ft goes. It doesn't feel like a house of that size.

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That's actually a Plan 2 Mille Fleurs.



But I do agree, their plans didn't feel like 3000+sft.

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Now these Montecito homes are ranging from up 2700 sq ft with the max bedrooms of only 3?



BK, where does all that extra space in newer homes end up? I can't imagine that bigger master baths, walk-in closets, and a powder room can account for all that but maybe the math does add up. I guess newer homes also have a laundry room which in older homes might be in the garage.</blockquote>
But even the laundry rooms aren't that sizeable. Like you, I wonder where all the square footage has gone... I've seen 2000sft houses built in West Irvine, Harvard Square and Oak Creek that have as many living spaces and rooms as these 3000footers yet it doesn't seem like a 1000sft difference (that's another 4-person home!).



Same goes for the Quail Hill Tapestry Plan 3 that is about 3000sft... where is the space?
 
[quote author="acpme" date=1255590331]

BK, where does all that extra space in newer homes end up? I can't imagine that bigger master baths, walk-in closets, and a powder room can account for all that but maybe the math does add up. I guess newer homes also have a laundry room which in older homes might be in the garage.</blockquote>


You all been spoiled by Cal Pac. Small homes with big spaces and room sizes.



Here is rule of thumb.



Garage laundry

1,060 sf = 2 master BRs / 2.5 ba

1,250 sf = 2BR+ loft /2.5 ba

1,450 sf = 3BR /2.5ba



All inside laundry

1,700 sf = 4BR / 3ba + Great Room

2,150 sf = 4BR/ 3ba + 5th BR down + Great Room

2,250 sf = separate formal dining + 4BR +Great Room



Formal Livings

2,300 sf = Separate family room + 4 BR

2,650 sf = Separate living, dining and family +4 BR + bonus



If any footage higher than posted and offers less rooms then you are buying an inefficient floor plan. High sellable footage but low livable space.



This is the BagOCheesePuff theory (fill up the bag fast but still there is nothing there to eat).



Take the Mille Fleur plan with 5 BR posted at 3400 sf and create an efficiency ratio.



2,150sf/3,400 sf=63%



90%=A

80%=B

70%=C

60%=D
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1255578836]Zovall,



Can you put this "Does size matter?" thread in Architecture forum?</blockquote>


I was beginning to think we might need to revive the theology thread and move it there.



I was reminded of this quote from <a href="http://www.ambppct.org/meherbaba/seven-sahavas-sayings.php">Avatar Meher Baba</a>:



<blockquote>Desire for nothing except desirelessness.

Hope for nothing except to rise above all hopes.

Want nothing and you will have everything. </blockquote>
 
Nothing like, after a couple weeks of IHB being quite, to log on to a IHB/BK Bromance squabble. You guys crack me up. You two act more like a married couple on here than Grace and Bk. :p
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1255590739][quote author="acpme" date=1255590331]<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/52-Winding-Way-92620/home/5959050">http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/52-Winding-Way-92620/home/5959050</a>



This 4bd/5ba Villa Rosa, 3400 sq ft. Larger because downstairs bedroom extended - most other VR around 3000-3100 sq ft. I have been through many this same house and its twins in other neighborhoods. For the life of me, I can't figure out where all that 3000+ sq ft goes. It doesn't feel like a house of that size.

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That's actually a Plan 2 Mille Fleurs.</blockquote>


Oh! Thanks for catching that; just took a look at the listing photos and thought it was VR. I was wondering why the sq footage was so big. The description emphasized the extension downstairs so I thought maybe they did an after-purchase addition.



I know you're all wondering... how the heck does one confuse with Villa Rosa with Mille Fleurs??



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[quote author="bkshopr" date=1255592246]

Here is rule of thumb.

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Great post BK... this totally lines up to the different floorplans I've been looking at IR2's site.



I guess I'm in the 2650 range and that makes a lot of sense... 2500 seems a bit small and 3000 is a bit large.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1255577001]Chasing after materialistic dream is an addiction and it will never stop. You will want more and more. After the basement home theater and wine cellar you would want the basement garages of the Joneses. I am not telling you to go live in a shack but be content with what will deliver you a good life but not an extravagant life. You are missing my point here. I am not telling you to deprive your kids and make them share a room. Having their own room is fine and they will turn out just fine. Having their own room in a 4,000-6,000 sf house with materialistic appetite at young age is too excessive.</blockquote>


I agree, even if I had the Crystal Cove dream home, I'd want the Laguna Beach beach-front home. I might want a boat, then a yacht, then a plane, and a submarine why not. I might even buy an island in the Caribbean and travel to Fiji and Tahiti every couple months. I could do that if I had the money. I mean, if you have it, let's spend it.



I work, I make a decent living, money comes in and I can afford a 4,000 sf home, I may not need everything in it, but I sure can enjoy it.



IMO, the problem is the people overextending themselves to get things they don't need. I may be able to buy a decent place in Irvine, but I might not be able to afford the CC or Shady Canyon estates I'd prefer. Maybe one would stretch themselves to have that extra luxury and would end up not enjoying their life as much. That's what it comes out to, live within your mean.



Disclaimer: I can't really afford that 4,000 sf home in Irvine...yet!
 
[quote author="Geotpf" date=1255585940][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1255585419]I think location matters more... or else we would be geo's neighbors in the IE... I hear we can get a 4000footer over there for less than $300k.</blockquote>


Not quite, but close. Best deal I could find in Riverside itself (in the desert, like in Hemet, you can do better):



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Riverside/18580-Hawksbury-Dr-92508/home/8165786">18580 Hawsbury</a>



18580 Hawksbury Dr

Riverside, CA 92508

Price: $349,900

Beds: 4

Baths: 3

Sq. Ft.: 3,932

$/Sq. Ft.: $89

Lot Size: 10,018 Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Detached, Single Family Residence

Stories: 2

Year Built: 2005

Community: Riverside

County: Riverside

MLS#: I09098209

Source: MRMLS

Status: Active

On Redfin: 34 days



This is a great 2 story, 4 bedroom, 3 bath home on a corner lot. Kitchen with granite counter tops, island, walk-in pantry and stainless steel appliances. Family room with fireplace. Plantation shutters throughout the house. Loft upstairs has beautiful wood flooring. Corner lot with large yard. Concrete patio in back yard.



Not a bad house, actually. It even has the coveted 3 car garage.</blockquote>


HOA is $33...bring this to Irvine!
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1255607339][quote author="bkshopr" date=1255592246]

Here is rule of thumb.

[most awesome stuff ever]

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Great post BK... this totally lines up to the different floorplans I've been looking at IR2's site.



I guess I'm in the 2650 range and that makes a lot of sense... 2500 seems a bit small and 3000 is a bit large.</blockquote>


Buying a house isn't like buying bulk at Costco. Buy what you need plus 10% cushion if you can afford it. If a 2,500 sf home from my list fulfill the program of your family then add 250sf to that would still place the home in the 90% efficiency. 2,750 should be the range. You really don't need anything over that even though the builder is trying to entice you with $288/sf for a much bigger home.



Building a bigger home is cheaper per sf for the builder. Unless a bigger home is on a bigger lot then the incremental footage increase over the plan one should exclude land value.



Here is an example of calculation.



Plan one is priced at $300/sf including land.

Plan 2 and 3 should be plan one price + 120% of construction cost for the added footage. (land value must not be a part of the price increment).



This is the reason why construction cost is so secretive.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1255616189]This is the reason why construction cost is so secretive.</blockquote>


<em>*cough*</em> everyone in the industry knows what the cost is <em>*cough*</em> less than $100 per sqft. <em>*cough*</em> less than $75 a sqft. in the 909 <em>*cough*</em>
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1255588048]$145 from each IHB member and we can totally buy Geo his dream home.</blockquote>


Thanks for the offer, but I'm happy where I'm at right now. :p I don't need 4,000 sq ft. But for a family that needed/wanted that much space, that would be a nice place.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1255592246]2,300 sf = Separate family room + 4 BR</blockquote>


This is the closest to my house, which is 1,750 sq ft or so. One story, laundry in garage (3 car sized, although it only has a 2 car sized door), 4 bedrooms (master decent sized the rest fairly small), 2 full bathrooms (hall bathroom is about as small as you can make a full bath, master bath quite a bit larger), seperate living and family rooms with the dining area in the family room (family room is a large 30' x 15'9", living room smaller), fairly small but functional kitchen, basically no hallways, fancy entry areas, or other wasted space. Even though it was thrown together over the years with multiple additions to a very tiny house to start with (originally a 2 bed, 1 bath with a 1 car garage that is currently the third non-master bedroom), it ended up with a very efficient floorplan.
 
I grew up in a home that was about 2500 sq ft and my grandparents had a one-story house that was about 2000. As a kid, their house always seemed twice as big as ours mainly because there was no wasted space. The entire house was used. Also, the bedrooms were a decent size, not like the ones you see today where you can barely fit anything bigger than a crib inside. Another thing, I never understood the appeal of those gigantic master bathrooms with walk-in closets that are bigger than the kids' rooms.
 
[quote author="ABC123" date=1255646058]Another thing, I never understood the appeal of those gigantic master bathrooms with walk-in closets that are bigger than the kids' rooms.</blockquote>
Don't remember if you are male/female or married... but almost any husband understands why that closet is so important. Which reminds me:

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