Lofts in OC?

[graphrix_IHB]

Very well put. Most big cities where people find "culture" and "vibe" is a result of something negative, like inconvenience, over population, transportation issues, etc. Beating up on Irvine is pretty much a waste of time, so if you don't like chains, convenience and strip malls move to Chicago or NY. I once bet a friend $100 he couldn't get my a bottle of diet pepsi within 60 minutes inside the SF city limits. It was the easiest 100 bucks I've made.

Your friend is either a moron, or never had the "city" experience. Because... if you bet me the same challenge in the city, and when I say city... I mean being in the Mission, North Beach, Haight, Richmond, or even the Tenderloin districts etc. and not the outskirts, then I would get you that diet Pepsi in 6 minutes. Even if it were midnight. It would be the easiest 100 bucks I have ever made. There is plenty of convenience that the city offers that Irvine does not. None of which could be convenient at midnight... ever. Where can you find a place to eat at midnight in Irvine? You can't! Where can you find a place to eat at midnight in the City? Plenty! Too bad none of these "urban" planners ever thought about that. Heh... maybe that is why Opus West is BK?

 

[diulei_IHB]

I'm going to have to play devil's advocate... BCD in the new Diamond plaza is 24 hours... in Irvine. hehe. But you do have a point, late night munchies are few and far between in the suburbs.