Irvine demographic & impact on kids

Woah.... something doesn't look right on my UCLA stats. How is it possible that 40.7% of the UCLA student body were made up Asians back in 1998 and in Fall of 2014, only 33.5% of the UCLA students are Asians?

Between 1998 - 2014, is there some kind affirmative action that took place against Asians at UCLA? Something about that stat just doesn't look right. If UCLA's admissions were completely color blind and treated all applicants equally... I would think that 70% of UCLA's freshman class would be made up of Asians in 2014. Am  I correct? What is going on here? Panda needs a good explanation on this ASAP.

Californians Feel the UC Squeeze:http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-me-uc-admit-20140419-story.html
 
Science was not her strength. Both Verbal and comprehension were perfect SAT score. Unfortunately, while at Beckman she had to take all AP classes in sciences and humanities to meet the top college prerequisites. The entire 4 years at HS she received only 1C and 1B caused her to be wait listed without further good news.

Irvine Dream said:
irvinehomeshopper said:
My daughter scored 2,390
Vow, that is almost the perfect score.  You must be very proud.  How come with that score she had difficulties in Calculus BC?
 
The explanation is easy. Back in 1998 the application process was not on a "common app" an online application portal where all colleges across the country agree to the same essay questions and application data. At a push of a button applicants could now apply to hundreds of colleges including UCs and Ivies. Asians back in 1998 had to fill out separate applications for the Ivies and other top colleges and Only the UC campuses shared the common application. In the last decade due to the common app an increase in the Asian population to the top private colleges could account for thinning the Asian crowd at UCLA.

Panda said:
Woah.... something doesn't look right on my UCLA stats. How is it possible that 40.7% of the UCLA student body were made up Asians back in 1998 and in Fall of 2014, only 33.5% of the UCLA students are Asians?

Between 1998 - 2014, is there some kind affirmative action that took place against Asians at UCLA? Something about that stat just doesn't look right. If UCLA's admissions were completely color blind and treated all applicants equally... I would think that 70% of UCLA's freshman class would be made up of Asians in 2014. Am  I correct? What is going on here? Panda needs a good explanation on this ASAP.

Californians Feel the UC Squeeze:http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-me-uc-admit-20140419-story.html
 
Easy answer, let your kid go to a non Irvine school district ( full of Asians) so they can go to an outstanding University.
 
Irvinehomeshopper:

"In the last decade due to the common app an increase in the Asian population to the top private colleges could account for thinning the Asian crowd at UCLA."

IHS, I am not sure if I can fully agree with you that the reason the Asian crowd is thinning in UCLA is due to the increase in the Asian population to top private colleges. How do you explain this article below ?

SAN FRANCISCO ? A new admissions policy set to take effect at the University of California system in three years is raising fears among Asian-Americans that it will reduce their numbers on campus, where they account for a remarkable 40 percent of all undergraduates. University officials say the new standards ? the biggest change in UC admissions since 1960 ? are intended to widen the pool of high school applicants and make the process more fair.

"But Asian-American advocates, parents and lawmakers are angrily calling on the university to rescind the policy, which will apply at all nine of the system's undergraduate campuses."

They point to a UC projection that said the new standards would sharply reduce Asian-American admissions while resulting in little change for blacks and Hispanics, and a big gain for white students.

"I like to call it affirmative action for whites," said Ling-chi Wang, a retired professor at UC Berkeley. "I think it's extremely unfair to Asian-Americans on the one hand and underrepresented minorities on the other."

Asian-Americans are the single largest ethnic group among UC's 173,000 undergraduates. In 2008, they accounted for 40 percent at UCLA and 43 percent at UC Berkeley ? the two most selective campuses in the UC system ? as well as 50 percent at UC San Diego and 54 percent at UC Irvine.
Asian-Americans are about 12 percent of California's population and 4 percent of the U.S. population overall.
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The new policy, approved unanimously by the UC Board of Regents in February, will greatly expand the applicant pool, eliminate the requirement that applicants take two SAT subject tests and reduce the number of students guaranteed admission based on grades and test scores alone. It takes effect for the freshman class of fall 2012.

President defends policy
Some Asian-Americans have charged that the university is trying to reduce Asian-American enrollment. Others say that may not be the intent, but it will be the result.
UC officials adamantly deny the intent is to increase racial diversity, and reject allegations the policy is an attempt to circumvent a 1996 voter-approved ban on affirmative action.
"The primary goal is fairness and eliminating barriers that seem unnecessary," UC President Mark Yudof said. "It means that if you're a parent out there, more of your sons' and daughters' files will be reviewed."
Yudof and other officials disputed the internal study that projected a drop of about 20 percent in Asian-American admissions, saying it is impossible to accurately predict the effects. "This is not Armageddon for Asian-American students," Yudoff said.
At San Francisco's Lowell High School, one of the top public schools in the country, about 70 percent of the students are of Asian descent and more than 40 percent attend UC after graduation.
"If there are Asian-Americans who are qualified and don't get into UC because they're trying to increase diversity, then I think that's unfair," said 16-year-old junior Jessica Peng. "I think that UC is lowering its standards by doing that."
Doug Chan, who has a teenage son at Lowell, said: "Parents are very skeptical and suspicious that this is yet another attempt to move the goalposts or change the rules of the game for Asian college applicants."
Increased competition
One of the biggest changes is scrapping the requirement that applicants take two SAT subject tests. UC officials say the tests do little to predict who will succeed at UC, no other public university requires them, and many high-achieving students are disqualified because they do not take them.
The policy also widens the pool of candidates by allowing applications from all students who complete the required high school courses, take the main SAT or ACT exams and maintain a 3.0 grade-point average. Under the current policy, students have to rank in the top 12.5 percent of California high school graduates to be eligible.
Students still have to apply to individual campuses, where admissions officers are allowed to consider each applicants' grades, test scores, personal background, extracurricular activities and other factors but not race.
The policy is expected to increase competition for UC admission. This year the university turned away the largest number of students in years after it received a record number of applications and cut freshman enrollment because of the state's budget crisis.
"I'm getting all sorts of e-mails from parents, alumni and donors who are quite upset by the action UC took," said state Assemblyman Ted Lieu, chairman of the Legislature's 11-member Asian-American caucus.

Source:http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30393117/...cans-blast-uc-admissions-policy/#.VvDGR-IrKM8


irvinehomeshopper said:
The explanation is easy. Back in 1998 the application process was not on a "common app" an online application portal where all colleges across the country agree to the same essay questions and application data. At a push of a button applicants could now apply to hundreds of colleges including UCs and Ivies. Asians back in 1998 had to fill out separate applications for the Ivies and other top colleges and Only the UC campuses shared the common application. In the last decade due to the common app an increase in the Asian population to the top private colleges could account for thinning the Asian crowd at UCLA.

Panda said:
Woah.... something doesn't look right on my UCLA stats. How is it possible that 40.7% of the UCLA student body were made up Asians back in 1998 and in Fall of 2014, only 33.5% of the UCLA students are Asians?

Between 1998 - 2014, is there some kind affirmative action that took place against Asians at UCLA? Something about that stat just doesn't look right. If UCLA's admissions were completely color blind and treated all applicants equally... I would think that 70% of UCLA's freshman class would be made up of Asians in 2014. Am  I correct? What is going on here? Panda needs a good explanation on this ASAP.

Californians Feel the UC Squeeze:http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-me-uc-admit-20140419-story.html
 
Yawn. This AA admissions issue isn't new. For god sake, the article is from 2009. It's 2016 already. Horse. Beaten. Dead
 
Sorry, I thought it was already universal knowledge that the Ivies, UCs and top universities have already started reducing Asian students population, because top universities are concerned that their student body is reaching an alarming 40% Asian.  I am not sure why on this board people are still trying to figure out what is going on?  sorry, but this is common knowledge already.  Also, SAT questions now focus on creative & original thinking, something that is needed in the real world.  I think Irvine is good for parents that want to live in an environment that feels comfortable, Asian markets, restaurants, congregate with people from the same culture background, it is actually disadvantageous for kids, the rules of college admission has changed drastically in the last few years, I guess colleges don't want their campus to look like Irvine?!  Asians packaged (high SAT, GPA, community service, internship, etc) high achievers are considered "boring applicants" so if your sole purpose in Irvine is to get into a top college, it actually works against you. Anyways, know exactly why you are paying the high home prices to live in Irvine. But for FOBs, I think it is a good place to live in the first few years, until you are assimilated into the American culture.
 
IrvineRes88 said:
Sorry, I thought it was already universal knowledge that the Ivies, UCs and top universities have already started reducing Asian students population, because top universities are concerned that their student body is reaching an alarming 40% Asian.  I am not sure why on this board people are still trying to figure out what is going on?  sorry, but this is common knowledge already.  Also, SAT questions now focus on creative & original thinking, something that is needed in the real world.  I think Irvine is good for parents that want to live in an environment that feels comfortable, Asian markets, restaurants, congregate with people from the same culture background, it is actually disadvantageous for kids, the rules of college admission has changed drastically in the last few years, I guess colleges don't want their campus to look like Irvine?!  Asians packaged (high SAT, GPA, community service, internship, etc) high achievers are considered "boring applicants" so if your sole purpose in Irvine is to get into a top college, it actually works against you. Anyways, know exactly why you are paying the high home prices to live in Irvine. But for FOBs, I think it is a good place to live in the first few years, until you are assimilated into the American culture.

So now that you've assimilated, time to GTFO?  Don't know why you are even bothering to post on TI.  It seems like you already know all the answers.
 
IrvineRes88 said:
Sorry, I thought it was already universal knowledge that the Ivies, UCs and top universities have already started reducing Asian students population, because top universities are concerned that their student body is reaching an alarming 40% Asian.  I am not sure why on this board people are still trying to figure out what is going on?  sorry, but this is common knowledge already.  Also, SAT questions now focus on creative & original thinking, something that is needed in the real world.  I think Irvine is good for parents that want to live in an environment that feels comfortable, Asian markets, restaurants, congregate with people from the same culture background, it is actually disadvantageous for kids, the rules of college admission has changed drastically in the last few years, I guess colleges don't want their campus to look like Irvine?!  Asians packaged (high SAT, GPA, community service, internship, etc) high achievers are considered "boring applicants" so if your sole purpose in Irvine is to get into a top college, it actually works against you. Anyways, know exactly why you are paying the high home prices to live in Irvine. But for FOBs, I think it is a good place to live in the first few years, until you are assimilated into the American culture.

it sounds like you know what the problems are and what these universities are NOT looking for.. so then why not steer your kids towards becoming a more diverse, well-rounded applicant?

it might be because my kid isn't going to apply for college until about 13-14 years later.. but sweating about the things you have zero control over (e.g. admission policy, written/unwritten ones) seems kind of silly.

 
IrvineRes88 said:
I think Irvine is good for parents that want to live in an environment that feels comfortable, Asian markets, restaurants, congregate with people from the same culture background, it is actually disadvantageous for kids, the rules of college admission has changed drastically in the last few years, I guess colleges don't want their campus to look like Irvine?!  Asians packaged (high SAT, GPA, community service, internship, etc) high achievers are considered "boring applicants" so if your sole purpose in Irvine is to get into a top college, it actually works against you.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on TI.  My opinion is that living in Irvine DOES have an advantage.  Your child is in an environment that is focused on education -- which, more than anything, prepares them for the rigors of university life.  "boring applicants" is subjective to each admissions office.  What are other cities/districts doing that would set your child apart from the "boring" Irvine schools?  I'm interested in hearing an answer to that.
 
Hmm... maybe that's why colleges were reaching out to me, because I grew up in the ghetto.

I'd like to thank the qwerxicans for making me a less boring applicant.
 
paydawg said:
IrvineRes88 said:
I think Irvine is good for parents that want to live in an environment that feels comfortable, Asian markets, restaurants, congregate with people from the same culture background, it is actually disadvantageous for kids, the rules of college admission has changed drastically in the last few years, I guess colleges don't want their campus to look like Irvine?!  Asians packaged (high SAT, GPA, community service, internship, etc) high achievers are considered "boring applicants" so if your sole purpose in Irvine is to get into a top college, it actually works against you.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on TI.

Seems like the topic keeps on changing by the Op.

At first the Op was uncomfortable that Op's kid does not have friends that meets the Ops expectation, then the Op moves the topic to Asians are workerbees in the corporate world, then the Op moves the topic high achievers are considered boring applicants.

 
paydawg said:
IrvineRes88 said:
I think Irvine is good for parents that want to live in an environment that feels comfortable, Asian markets, restaurants, congregate with people from the same culture background, it is actually disadvantageous for kids, the rules of college admission has changed drastically in the last few years, I guess colleges don't want their campus to look like Irvine?!  Asians packaged (high SAT, GPA, community service, internship, etc) high achievers are considered "boring applicants" so if your sole purpose in Irvine is to get into a top college, it actually works against you.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on TI.  My opinion is that living in Irvine DOES have an advantage.  Your child is in an environment that is focused on education -- which, more than anything, prepares them for the rigors of university life.  "boring applicants" is subjective to each admissions office.  What are other cities/districts doing that would set your child apart from the "boring" Irvine schools?  I'm interested in hearing an answer to that.

I think the point is that being prepared for academic rigor/university life does not necessarily translate into being prepared for success in real life.  The mentality needed to grind to get that last 2 points on your test to make the 100% score is not the mentality that is going to make you a better leader, manager or even co-worker.
 
nyc to oc said:
paydawg said:
IrvineRes88 said:
I think Irvine is good for parents that want to live in an environment that feels comfortable, Asian markets, restaurants, congregate with people from the same culture background, it is actually disadvantageous for kids, the rules of college admission has changed drastically in the last few years, I guess colleges don't want their campus to look like Irvine?!  Asians packaged (high SAT, GPA, community service, internship, etc) high achievers are considered "boring applicants" so if your sole purpose in Irvine is to get into a top college, it actually works against you.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on TI.  My opinion is that living in Irvine DOES have an advantage.  Your child is in an environment that is focused on education -- which, more than anything, prepares them for the rigors of university life.  "boring applicants" is subjective to each admissions office.  What are other cities/districts doing that would set your child apart from the "boring" Irvine schools?  I'm interested in hearing an answer to that.

I think the point is that being prepared for academic rigor/university life does not necessarily translate into being prepared for success in real life.  The mentality needed to grind to get that last 2 points on your test to make the 100% score is not the mentality that is going to make you a better leader, manager or even co-worker.

I think it's really on the parents...there is always the discussion about big fish in little pond v. small fish in big pond.  I think having academic competition is good as long as the parent does not make academic success the sole gauge of a child's worth. 

I think being at a competitive school district can be a positive but can also be a negative thing...it all depends on what the parents do.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
nyc to oc said:
paydawg said:
IrvineRes88 said:

I think it's really on the parents...there is always the discussion about big fish in little pond v. small fish in big pond.  I think having academic competition is good as long as the parent does not make academic success the sole gauge of a child's worth. 

I think being at a competitive school district can be a positive but can also be a negative thing...it all depends on what the parents do.

Yep, it's on parents to find and manage a decent balance.
 
"I think the point is that being prepared for academic rigor/university life does not necessarily translate into being prepared for success in real life."

I completely agree with nyc to oc's post. I think it is important to welcome new fresh ideas and IrvineRes88 is someone here giving a different prospective from the "herd" mentality of this forum. The discussion becomes healthy when we are respectful and welcoming of other people's ideas and thoughts. Otherwise this forum gets to be seriously boring with posters who can only see the tree and not the forest. Wasn't there a thread by another OP last week of "Why are the conversations on TalkIrvine so boring?"

I don't disagree with what IrvineRes88 has to say here. Please let the man speak.

Honestly.. my inspiration and goal for my children is not for them to get straight A's and get into an Ivy. I want them to be emotionally intelligent, help them to have good interpersonal and leadership skills, help them discover their gifts and passion in life, teach them how to be financially independent and think like an entrepeneur, and most importantly love them unconditionally.

nyc to oc said:
paydawg said:
IrvineRes88 said:
I think Irvine is good for parents that want to live in an environment that feels comfortable, Asian markets, restaurants, congregate with people from the same culture background, it is actually disadvantageous for kids, the rules of college admission has changed drastically in the last few years, I guess colleges don't want their campus to look like Irvine?!  Asians packaged (high SAT, GPA, community service, internship, etc) high achievers are considered "boring applicants" so if your sole purpose in Irvine is to get into a top college, it actually works against you.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on TI.  My opinion is that living in Irvine DOES have an advantage.  Your child is in an environment that is focused on education -- which, more than anything, prepares them for the rigors of university life.  "boring applicants" is subjective to each admissions office.  What are other cities/districts doing that would set your child apart from the "boring" Irvine schools?  I'm interested in hearing an answer to that.

I think the point is that being prepared for academic rigor/university life does not necessarily translate into being prepared for success in real life.  The mentality needed to grind to get that last 2 points on your test to make the 100% score is not the mentality that is going to make you a better leader, manager or even co-worker.
 
Here's my philosophy do something about it, and quit complaining. The op feels uncomfortable, and the Op mentioned BR, then move to BR.

You know what I say to my little one, stop whining.

Panda said:
"I think the point is that being prepared for academic rigor/university life does not necessarily translate into being prepared for success in real life."

I completely agree with nyc to oc's post. I think it is important to welcome new fresh ideas and IrvineRes88 is someone here giving a different prospective from the "herd" mentality of this forum. The discussion becomes healthy when we are respectful and welcoming of other people's ideas and thoughts. Otherwise this forum gets to be seriously boring with posters who can only see the tree and not the forest. Wasn't there a thread by another OP last week of "Why are the conversations on TalkIrvine so boring?"

I don't disagree with what IrvineRes88 has to say here. Please let the man speak.

Honestly.. my inspiration and goal for my children is not for them to get straight A's and get into an Ivy. I want them to be emotionally intelligent, help them to have good interpersonal and leadership skills, help them discover their gifts and passion in life, teach them how to be financially independent and think like an entrepeneur, and most importantly love them unconditionally.

nyc to oc said:
paydawg said:
IrvineRes88 said:
I think Irvine is good for parents that want to live in an environment that feels comfortable, Asian markets, restaurants, congregate with people from the same culture background, it is actually disadvantageous for kids, the rules of college admission has changed drastically in the last few years, I guess colleges don't want their campus to look like Irvine?!  Asians packaged (high SAT, GPA, community service, internship, etc) high achievers are considered "boring applicants" so if your sole purpose in Irvine is to get into a top college, it actually works against you.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read on TI.  My opinion is that living in Irvine DOES have an advantage.  Your child is in an environment that is focused on education -- which, more than anything, prepares them for the rigors of university life.  "boring applicants" is subjective to each admissions office.  What are other cities/districts doing that would set your child apart from the "boring" Irvine schools?  I'm interested in hearing an answer to that.

I think the point is that being prepared for academic rigor/university life does not necessarily translate into being prepared for success in real life.  The mentality needed to grind to get that last 2 points on your test to make the 100% score is not the mentality that is going to make you a better leader, manager or even co-worker.
 
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