If you were to leave Orange County due to high unemployment and high living costs?

[irvine123_IHB]

Just to make sure we are still on the same page: we are not discussion where to retire, we are talking about if we have to find a job somewhere outside of CA.

Better job opportunities in AZ, OR then in Texas? hmm....you will have to really lay out some facts here.

 

[graphrix_IHB]

Just to make sure we are still on the same page: we are not discussion where to retire, we are talking about if we have to find a job somewhere outside of CA.

Better job opportunities in AZ, OR then in Texas? hmm....you will have to really lay out some facts here.

Please... don't get me started on jobs in those areas! It has been difficult enough to try to get you all to understand how screwed OC was a year and two years ago. You all didn't listen to me then, and how is that looking now? If I rant about those areas, then you all better frickin listen since I have been right about OC. I'm not going to waste my time unless you all pay attention to professor crackercakes this time.

 

[Oscar_IHB]

You people are lame if you will leave Cali for places like AZ and TX just because you will net more $ there, when you won't actually net more $ when you factor in the travel costs, the culture costs, the art (a Picasso is a fork in the road in TX, the actual artist is something they forgot in grade school) costs, the theater (do you know any actors who live in TX or AZ?) costs, the fact that you could see a live taping of a Leno etc., you have no beach cost, culinary cost (enjoy applebys, while I grub on tapas and chanterlles), have you been to wine country in TX or AZ... because I hear it is very hard to find a good one. I really could go on, but just know it is hard to replicate what we have here in SoCal, and if I had to leave here, I would leave for a place that I could find a majority of what I enjoy here. I would miss a lot, but hopefully what I miss could be made up for in other ways. The only other place that I think could attempt to make up for it is Oregon wine country, but I know I would miss TK burger.

Snow every winter, overcast 300 days of the year, a lovely volcano in the near distance, and the endless rain is lovely. Oregon is lovely in places and at times, but the idyllic pictures you posted are not the norm most of the time. And the nearest culture of any sort is Portland (assuming that was the Sandy area in the pics), but they are more like Seattle then L.A.

A live taping of Leno is not something to be worried about missing. 8-/

 

[Zulu_IHB]

Graphrix,

Great photos of Oregon. We recognized Multnomah Falls, of course, and are guessing the other photos were taken somewhere between McMinnville and Independence. Prime pinot country. I plan on stocking my way-overpriced Shady wine cellar if I can ever get it built.

Oscar, it's only overcast about 260 days of the year. I know because I grew up outside of Eugene. So quit exaggerating! BTW, we love Portland, especially summertime down around 23rd St.

 

[biscuitninja_IHB]

I like sunshine, I could possibly get a job in Everette or somwhere in Nevada (ain't sayin which/where/who/when). But those places are ok, if a little bit annoying to get to work and living in the crushing sun and/or depressing rain.

Oregon is ok, if you enjoy hairy, pot smoking, drug addled, pasty skinned hippies.... but that's just my opinion.

 

[graphrix_IHB]

Oregon is ok, if you enjoy hairy, pot smoking, drug addled, pasty skinned hippies.... but that's just my opinion.

So... with that description, I kinda visualized you. Maybe you need some more sun. You engineers need to get out more. %-P

 

[graphrix_IHB]

Snow every winter, overcast 300 days of the year, a lovely volcano in the near distance, and the endless rain is lovely. Oregon is lovely in places and at times, but the idyllic pictures you posted are not the norm most of the time. And the nearest culture of any sort is Portland (assuming that was the Sandy area in the pics), but they are more like Seattle then L.A.

A live taping of Leno is not something to be worried about missing. 8-/

I will take snow every winter, and overcast 300260 days of the year... when compared to AZ and TX. I have been to both PHX and DAL in the summer. F*ck that!. The dry heat plus scorpions in the shoes with the rattlesnakes in AZ can stay there. The humidity in TX at 3AM that makes you break out in a sweat for just stepping outside, and hard to breathe because the air is so freakin dense, can stay there. Find me plenty of good restaurants in comparison to OR, no... seriously, do they have chanterelles there, no... wait... do they know what the hell that is? What is the music scene like in AZ and TX, aside from Austin? How are their museums? What about art galleries? Micro brewed beer? How many wineries are in AZ again, and how many in TX have more than an 80 point rating? Portland is very close to the wine country there, and it has way more culture, art, fantastic food, great micro beers, and highly rated wine than AZ and TX combined.

To each his own. But I wouldn't want to leave SoCal or Cal for that matter, unless I absolutely had to. If I did, AZ and TX would be on the bottom of my list, because they are near the bottom of society.

There may not be a live taping of Leno in AZ or TX, but the only live taping they have there is Billy Bob drunkingly running his Ford F250 through a building. And you can catch that on the TV show cops, and once you have seen one... you have seen them all. Personally, I think there is plenty more live entertainment that would be more fulfilling than that in OR or Cali.

 

[Oscar_IHB]

Graphrix,

Great photos of Oregon. We recognized Multnomah Falls, of course, and are guessing the other photos were taken somewhere between McMinnville and Independence. Prime pinot country. I plan on stocking my way-overpriced Shady wine cellar if I can ever get it built.

Oscar, it's only overcast about 260 days of the year. I know because I grew up outside of Eugene. So quit exaggerating! BTW, we love Portland, especially summertime down around 23rd St.

Let's split the difference and call it 280.

 

[Oscar_IHB]

Snow every winter, overcast 300 days of the year, a lovely volcano in the near distance, and the endless rain is lovely. Oregon is lovely in places and at times, but the idyllic pictures you posted are not the norm most of the time. And the nearest culture of any sort is Portland (assuming that was the Sandy area in the pics), but they are more like Seattle then L.A.

A live taping of Leno is not something to be worried about missing. 8-/

I will take snow every winter, and overcast 300260 days of the year... when compared to AZ and TX. I have been to both PHX and DAL in the summer. F*ck that!. The dry heat plus scorpions in the shoes with the rattlesnakes in AZ can stay there. The humidity in TX at 3AM that makes you break out in a sweat for just stepping outside, and hard to breathe because the air is so freakin dense, can stay there. Find me plenty of good restaurants in comparison to OR, no... seriously, do they have chanterelles there, no... wait... do they know what the hell that is? What is the music scene like in AZ and TX, aside from Austin? How are their museums? What about art galleries? Micro brewed beer? How many wineries are in AZ again, and how many in TX have more than an 80 point rating? Portland is very close to the wine country there, and it has way more culture, art, fantastic food, great micro beers, and highly rated wine than AZ and TX combined.

To each his own. But I wouldn't want to leave SoCal or Cal for that matter, unless I absolutely had to. If I did, AZ and TX would be on the bottom of my list, because they are near the bottom of society.

There may not be a live taping of Leno in AZ or TX, but the only live taping they have there is Billy Bob drunkingly running his Ford F250 through a building. And you can catch that on the TV show cops, and once you have seen one... you have seen them all. Personally, I think there is plenty more live entertainment that would be more fulfilling than that in OR or Cali.

All valid points, just make sure that you are independently wealthy before you choose Oregon and remember that "Newport" in Oregon does not have "Beach" after it. There is a beach there, but you will need 3 wet suits to prevent testicular ascension if you want to venture into the water... and watch out for logs.

 

[WINEX_IHB]

I will take snow every winter, and overcast 300260 days of the year... when compared to AZ and TX. I have been to both PHX and DAL in the summer. F*ck that!. The dry heat plus scorpions in the shoes with the rattlesnakes in AZ can stay there. The humidity in TX at 3AM that makes you break out in a sweat for just stepping outside, and hard to breathe because the air is so freakin dense, can stay there. Find me plenty of good restaurants in comparison to OR, no... seriously, do they have chanterelles there, no... wait... do they know what the hell that is? What is the music scene like in AZ and TX, aside from Austin? How are their museums? What about art galleries? Micro brewed beer? How many wineries are in AZ again, and how many in TX have more than an 80 point rating? Portland is very close to the wine country there, and it has way more culture, art, fantastic food, great micro beers, and highly rated wine than AZ and TX combined.

To each his own. But I wouldn't want to leave SoCal or Cal for that matter, unless I absolutely had to. If I did, AZ and TX would be on the bottom of my list, because they are near the bottom of society.

There may not be a live taping of Leno in AZ or TX, but the only live taping they have there is Billy Bob drunkingly running his Ford F250 through a building. And you can catch that on the TV show cops, and once you have seen one... you have seen them all. Personally, I think there is plenty more live entertainment that would be more fulfilling than that in OR or Cali.

As someone who lived most of his life in Scottsdale (and who lived in the Dallas area before that), I've been quiet long enough.

While each person has their own priorities in life and places different values on different things, I find it fascinating that you mention the importance of wineries and microbreweries as important attributes that create a high quality of life, but in the next breath talk about drunk hicks driving pickup trucks through buildings. That's an interesting contrast. I can only assume that you would be alright with it if the drunk was driving a BMW instead of a Ford pickup truck.

Alcohol simply isn't an important part of my life, but I can assure you that microbreweries exist outside of California. Even us hicks from Arizona have local brew pubs with beers you won't find anywhere else. I may not be cultured enough to realize the importance of seeing Jay Leno tape a show that I can watch on TV live (I prefer watching Billy Bob and his F250 running through building live, whereas you have to watch it on TV), but from my perspective, the local beers in Phoenix are quite good.

As far as wineries are concerned, I've never been to one in Arizona. And I haven't been to one in California either. (See my comment about the relative unimportance of alcohol in my life) In fact, it's been several years since I have even bothered to drink any wine. But for people who place a higher priority on alcohol, we Arizonans came up with a unique solution to your dilemma. You can go into stores and restaurants in Arizona (I hope you are sitting down when you read this) and find that we sell wine in bottles. (Great idea huh?) Though I know next to nothing about wine, I do know enough about Google to know that there are wineries in Arizona.

As for the music scene, in Arizona, it all depends on what you are interested in. You may be surprised to find that groups that tour nationally don't skip the 5th largest city in the United States (Phoenix). Sure, Phoenix isn't as large as LA, but it's bigger than any other city in California. Of course, there are bars and bar bands in the area too. People even rise from the slums of Phoenix to gain national acclaim. Growing up as a kid, I used to hang around with Jason Newsted. Although they didn't rise to the same level of fame, I also knew all the members of the Gin Blossoms and Sacred Reich. You also might have heard of Stevie Nicks or Alice Cooper. I didn't know either, but they are both Arizonans.

Having lived in Arizona for 24 years, I never once found a scorpion in my shoes. Of course, common sense has a lot to do with avoiding scorpion encounters. The same applies to mountain lions out here.

And if you can't adapt to a little warm weather, well, what can I say? It sounds like you need to man-up. It's really not that bad.

 

[biscuitninja_IHB]

Oregon is ok, if you enjoy hairy, pot smoking, drug addled, pasty skinned hippies.... but that's just my opinion.

So... with that description, I kinda visualized you. Maybe you need some more sun. You engineers need to get out more. %-P

Ha ha... because... you know... us engineers are bit biggest tweakers around.... :lol:

It is definitely beautiful there, no doubt about that. I just grew up in the desert. What most puts me off the area is the signs you see when you drive in. Plus the entirely unpleasant attitude once you get there. Most Texans say "Thank You", the children say "Yes Sir and Yes Ma'am". But then again, texas has a very lax 2nd ammendment rights. (Remember kids - am armed society is a Polite society)

I love wine country and have even worked with some wineries doing little projects for them.

All Texas/New Mexico/Arizona have quite a few wineries in them. The arid and dry land produces smaller grapes, but they are high quality. Of course there when you compare anything to the farm belt of CA, ALOT of places are a distant second.

We will see.

-bix